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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:Lj7Rf.555$5F1.545@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "DB" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Isn't the present CS laws is what this is all really about, to prevent Daddy from dumping his 3 kid family to go live with sexy Suzie while the family struggles to put food on the table? As far as I'm aware, no. That is not what the CS laws are about. Aint' THAT the truth! Feel like answering my question this time? Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Better question: Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become NOT the definition of family? Why on earth would that be a "better question"? Try to answer it and you will see........... or maybe YOU won't. Please try to follow along, Chris. |
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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"Kenneth S." wrote in message ... "DB" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Isn't the present CS laws is what this is all really about, to prevent Daddy from dumping his 3 kid family to go live with sexy Suzie while the family struggles to put food on the table? The above comment represents what many people think typically happens in divorce. However, it is based on a completely mistaken assumption. The vast majority of divorces in the U.S. today (roughly 75 percent, by averaging the results of various studies) are initiated by wives. Furthermore, that doesn't just mean that the wives filed the papers. What it means is that the wives wanted the divorces and the husbands didn't. In addition, interviews with divorced people, by Sanford Braver and others, indicate that wives typically initiate divorces, not because of the traditional fault causes for divorce, like adultery or desertion, but because of touchy-feely considerations by the wife, such as "we just grew apart." There's a far stronger case to be made for saying that the so-called "child support" system ultimately is part of the overall trend of the last 30-40 years to find ways of enlarging women's options. Where necessary, the process of enlarging women's options has been accomplished at the expense of men and children. The primary role of CS is to enable mothers to have the option of breaking up two-parent families without suffering the financial consequences of their own actions. It actually REWARDS her financially! Correspondingly, one of the strongest arguments for reform of the "child support" system is to remove the incentives for family breakups initiated by wives. |
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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"Chris" wrote in message news:OTmRf.591$5F1.474@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:Lj7Rf.555$5F1.545@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "DB" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Isn't the present CS laws is what this is all really about, to prevent Daddy from dumping his 3 kid family to go live with sexy Suzie while the family struggles to put food on the table? As far as I'm aware, no. That is not what the CS laws are about. Aint' THAT the truth! Feel like answering my question this time? Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Better question: Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become NOT the definition of family? Why on earth would that be a "better question"? Try to answer it and you will see........... or maybe YOU won't. There are any number of families of people who have chosen to not have children. Are you saying they're not a family because "a planned pregnancy" isn't part of the equation? Please try to follow along, Chris. |
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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"DB" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Isn't the present CS laws is what this is all really about, to prevent Daddy from dumping his 3 kid family to go live with sexy Suzie while the family struggles to put food on the table? The current CS laws are in place to counter the failures of the great societal experiments foisted on the American public by feminists and liberal political thinking that was rooted in the 60's and 70's. Two major changes occurred during that time frame that altered how we look at marriage - the wide-spread availability of birth control and the more liberalized used of abortion. Women had previously gotten assurances of marriage in the event of an unplanned pregnancy in exchange for engaging in sexual relations with their partners. What changed is birth control and abortion availability changed women's attitudes toward sex. Women who used birth control reliably or were willing to get abortions stopped seeking assurances of marriage and just had sex with men. Women who used birth control unreliably or were unwilling to get abortions discovered if they pressed men about marriage they would lose their partners. As this latter class of women started getting pregnant the out of wedlock birth rate accelerated. Men discovered they no longer had to promise marriage to get a woman to engage in sex with him. In fact, the choice for men became marriage versus child support. When CS awards were low, poorly enforced, or non-existent, men had a low-cost, low-risk alternative to marriage. This reasoning is backed by the significant decline in shotgun marriages running concurrently with the increase in out of wedlock births. To counter the changes in both women's and men's thinking about out of wedlock children, the government has increased CS awards, increased CS enforcement practices, and attempted to remedy the problems created by the social experiments through punishing men only. Women are given the safety nets of welfare, CS, tax credits, and other public assistance programs under the "For the children" concept. Those solutions do not address the underlying problem of the increasing trend of out of wedlock births. Men are starting to realize the choice of marriage versus child support is no longer such an attractive option. The trend is that certain segments of male society are now revolting against the one-sided nature of the government solutions that blame men for how society changed and men are demanding more equitable solutions. One possibility is to give men the choice between fatherhood and child support versus not being a father figure and no child support. |
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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:OTmRf.591$5F1.474@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:Lj7Rf.555$5F1.545@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "DB" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Isn't the present CS laws is what this is all really about, to prevent Daddy from dumping his 3 kid family to go live with sexy Suzie while the family struggles to put food on the table? As far as I'm aware, no. That is not what the CS laws are about. Aint' THAT the truth! Feel like answering my question this time? Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Better question: Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become NOT the definition of family? Why on earth would that be a "better question"? Try to answer it and you will see........... or maybe YOU won't. There are any number of families of people who have chosen to not have children. As there are families of people who have chosen TO have children. Are you saying they're not a family because "a planned pregnancy" isn't part of the equation? Please try to follow along, Chris. |
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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"Chris" wrote in message news:aQDRf.625$5F1.187@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:OTmRf.591$5F1.474@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:Lj7Rf.555$5F1.545@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "DB" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Isn't the present CS laws is what this is all really about, to prevent Daddy from dumping his 3 kid family to go live with sexy Suzie while the family struggles to put food on the table? As far as I'm aware, no. That is not what the CS laws are about. Aint' THAT the truth! Feel like answering my question this time? Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Better question: Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become NOT the definition of family? Why on earth would that be a "better question"? Try to answer it and you will see........... or maybe YOU won't. There are any number of families of people who have chosen to not have children. As there are families of people who have chosen TO have children. Nice bob and weave. But... as pointless as many of your posts. Now.... perhaps you'd like to answer the question - Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Are you saying they're not a family because "a planned pregnancy" isn't part of the equation? Please try to follow along, Chris. |
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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"Moon Shyne" wrote in Now.... perhaps you'd like to answer the question - Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Look up marriage licenses and who qualifies to get one! |
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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"DB" wrote in message . com... "Moon Shyne" wrote in Now.... perhaps you'd like to answer the question - Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Look up marriage licenses and who qualifies to get one! Neither marriage, nor pregnancy, is a requirement to being a family. And that was your claim - the definition of a family. |
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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:aQDRf.625$5F1.187@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:OTmRf.591$5F1.474@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:Lj7Rf.555$5F1.545@fed1read08... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "DB" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Isn't the present CS laws is what this is all really about, to prevent Daddy from dumping his 3 kid family to go live with sexy Suzie while the family struggles to put food on the table? As far as I'm aware, no. That is not what the CS laws are about. Aint' THAT the truth! Feel like answering my question this time? Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Better question: Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become NOT the definition of family? Why on earth would that be a "better question"? Try to answer it and you will see........... or maybe YOU won't. There are any number of families of people who have chosen to not have children. As there are families of people who have chosen TO have children. Nice bob and weave. What makes my statement of fact a "bob and weave"? But... as pointless as many of your posts. That a point evades you makes it no less a point. Now.... perhaps you'd like to answer the question - Since when did "marriage with a planned pregnancy" become the definition of family? Are you saying they're not a family because "a planned pregnancy" isn't part of the equation? Please try to follow along, Chris. |
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FINALLY!! Men's Rights Group Eyes Child Support Stay
"Moon Shyne" wrote in Look up marriage licenses and who qualifies to get one! Neither marriage, nor pregnancy, is a requirement to being a family. And that was your claim - the definition of a family. I'm talking about the legal definition of a family, not a liberal version of family! |
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