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How many had prior knowledge of the
"Bob" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... big snip If there did happen to be a pedophile who was caught in the act by the preacher, the chief of police, and Mother Teresa herself, would you think that, perhaps, he should not be permitted to be alone with children? That, maybe, his wife would be justified in leaving him in order to protect the children? By the time she gets done telling it, Adam will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Eve would have escaped to save the child. By the time she gets done telling it, Joseph will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Mary would have escaped to save the child. Whether or not there are actual pedophiles and wife beaters can not be determined by listening to wives who would destroy their families. Who, then, would you listen to if not the witness? If the woman goes to the hospital with broken bones, and the child has bruises up and down his body, how can you say "Don't listen to the woman who wants to break up the family"? I'm trying to understand what you are saying, Bob. I do not think marriages whould be ended on a whim, or "to find myself" or any other nonsense. Most do actually. In data that has been posted several times over the past year those are the most common reasons. Which is very sad, but does not invalidate every reason to end a marriage. I am not in favor of breaking up families. But sometimes there *are* serious problems that have to be addressed from a point of safety. Usually not. Children are usually, statistically, safer staying with their fathers. But not always, Bob. I am asking about the few that are not included in your "usually safer with their fathers" And your answer to that *seems* to be that the woman does not have the right to break up the family, because she is probably lying just to get out of the marriage. So, instead of making the same statement again, please tell me how it should be determined that an abuser is abusive enough for a woman to be justified in leaving. Or how it can be determined that a man is a pdeophile if you are not willing to listen to the wife or the kids. One day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town sat home and hoisted another glass of beer because by then nobody gave a **** whether there was a wolf or not. Females who cry "wife beating pedophile" are like the shepherd. They've been crying the same lying crap so many times nobody gives a **** any more whether it's true this time or not. There are absolutely women who have abused the system, who have lied about fathers being abusive only to get custody of the children. These scum are one of the reasons the system is as badly screwed up as it is. They should lose custody of their children and spend some time in jail as far as I am concerned. But these are not the ones I am asking about. I am asking about the women who are *truly* abused by their husbands. About the children who are *truly* molested by their fathers. Your comments to women on this forum who have offered medical and/or criminal evidence that they or their children have experienced this is that they are just propogating the normal feminist lies. You can't possibly know that, but you claim it anyway. So my bottom line question for you, Bob, is: Do you feel that there are circumstances involving abuse and or molestation that would give the wife/mother an acceptable reason to "break up the family" in order to keep herself and her children safe? |
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How many had prior knowledge of the
"Bob" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... big snip If there did happen to be a pedophile who was caught in the act by the preacher, the chief of police, and Mother Teresa herself, would you think that, perhaps, he should not be permitted to be alone with children? That, maybe, his wife would be justified in leaving him in order to protect the children? By the time she gets done telling it, Adam will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Eve would have escaped to save the child. By the time she gets done telling it, Joseph will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Mary would have escaped to save the child. Whether or not there are actual pedophiles and wife beaters can not be determined by listening to wives who would destroy their families. Who, then, would you listen to if not the witness? If the woman goes to the hospital with broken bones, and the child has bruises up and down his body, how can you say "Don't listen to the woman who wants to break up the family"? I'm trying to understand what you are saying, Bob. I do not think marriages whould be ended on a whim, or "to find myself" or any other nonsense. Most do actually. In data that has been posted several times over the past year those are the most common reasons. Which is very sad, but does not invalidate every reason to end a marriage. I am not in favor of breaking up families. But sometimes there *are* serious problems that have to be addressed from a point of safety. Usually not. Children are usually, statistically, safer staying with their fathers. But not always, Bob. I am asking about the few that are not included in your "usually safer with their fathers" And your answer to that *seems* to be that the woman does not have the right to break up the family, because she is probably lying just to get out of the marriage. So, instead of making the same statement again, please tell me how it should be determined that an abuser is abusive enough for a woman to be justified in leaving. Or how it can be determined that a man is a pdeophile if you are not willing to listen to the wife or the kids. One day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town sat home and hoisted another glass of beer because by then nobody gave a **** whether there was a wolf or not. Females who cry "wife beating pedophile" are like the shepherd. They've been crying the same lying crap so many times nobody gives a **** any more whether it's true this time or not. There are absolutely women who have abused the system, who have lied about fathers being abusive only to get custody of the children. These scum are one of the reasons the system is as badly screwed up as it is. They should lose custody of their children and spend some time in jail as far as I am concerned. But these are not the ones I am asking about. I am asking about the women who are *truly* abused by their husbands. About the children who are *truly* molested by their fathers. Your comments to women on this forum who have offered medical and/or criminal evidence that they or their children have experienced this is that they are just propogating the normal feminist lies. You can't possibly know that, but you claim it anyway. So my bottom line question for you, Bob, is: Do you feel that there are circumstances involving abuse and or molestation that would give the wife/mother an acceptable reason to "break up the family" in order to keep herself and her children safe? |
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How many had prior knowledge of the
"Bob" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... big snip If there did happen to be a pedophile who was caught in the act by the preacher, the chief of police, and Mother Teresa herself, would you think that, perhaps, he should not be permitted to be alone with children? That, maybe, his wife would be justified in leaving him in order to protect the children? By the time she gets done telling it, Adam will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Eve would have escaped to save the child. By the time she gets done telling it, Joseph will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Mary would have escaped to save the child. Whether or not there are actual pedophiles and wife beaters can not be determined by listening to wives who would destroy their families. Who, then, would you listen to if not the witness? If the woman goes to the hospital with broken bones, and the child has bruises up and down his body, how can you say "Don't listen to the woman who wants to break up the family"? I'm trying to understand what you are saying, Bob. I do not think marriages whould be ended on a whim, or "to find myself" or any other nonsense. Most do actually. In data that has been posted several times over the past year those are the most common reasons. Which is very sad, but does not invalidate every reason to end a marriage. I am not in favor of breaking up families. But sometimes there *are* serious problems that have to be addressed from a point of safety. Usually not. Children are usually, statistically, safer staying with their fathers. But not always, Bob. I am asking about the few that are not included in your "usually safer with their fathers" And your answer to that *seems* to be that the woman does not have the right to break up the family, because she is probably lying just to get out of the marriage. So, instead of making the same statement again, please tell me how it should be determined that an abuser is abusive enough for a woman to be justified in leaving. Or how it can be determined that a man is a pdeophile if you are not willing to listen to the wife or the kids. One day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town sat home and hoisted another glass of beer because by then nobody gave a **** whether there was a wolf or not. Females who cry "wife beating pedophile" are like the shepherd. They've been crying the same lying crap so many times nobody gives a **** any more whether it's true this time or not. There are absolutely women who have abused the system, who have lied about fathers being abusive only to get custody of the children. These scum are one of the reasons the system is as badly screwed up as it is. They should lose custody of their children and spend some time in jail as far as I am concerned. But these are not the ones I am asking about. I am asking about the women who are *truly* abused by their husbands. About the children who are *truly* molested by their fathers. Your comments to women on this forum who have offered medical and/or criminal evidence that they or their children have experienced this is that they are just propogating the normal feminist lies. You can't possibly know that, but you claim it anyway. So my bottom line question for you, Bob, is: Do you feel that there are circumstances involving abuse and or molestation that would give the wife/mother an acceptable reason to "break up the family" in order to keep herself and her children safe? |
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How many had prior knowledge of the "system"?
(deserted_dad) wrote in message . com...
Just out of curiosity, how many of you dads knew about the gross injustices of the modern-day "child support" system prior to being trapped in it yourself? And how many were utterly clueless about just how bad it is for fathers? I am very fortunate - I am 43, single, never married, no offspring, no support payments of any kind. I learned about the Family Court System through the Tom Leykis Show (97.1 FM in LA), and various websites ca. 2000-2001. A great place to start is the Mens News Daily links and resources page: http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/secondaries/linklist.htm remainder of all-too-true story left in for future generations of men I had absolutely no idea just how bad things were before I became ensnared in the system. I'm ashamed to admit it now, but I bought the media lies about all the "deadbeat dads" running amok in society hook, line, and sinker. I really thought there must be a strong need for a draconian legal system to hunt down and crucify the teeming hoards of men who where actively evading the payment of support for their kids. What a fool I was. I'm just about the furthest thing in the world from a "deadbeat dad" When my girlfriend of 2 years announced that she was pregnant, I did what I believed in my heart to be the honorable thing. I bought a really nice diamond engagement ring and proposed to her on Christmas morning of 2002. She was thrilled, said yes to the marriage, and for a very brief period at least, all was happy in my little world. She already had 2 young boys from a previous relationship, whom I had grown to love as my own. I was absolutely ecstatic about the idea of finally settling down with a wife and three kids. It's the American Dream, right? She was driving a pretty old van, so I soon bought her a new one because I didn't like the idea of my "family" riding in an unsafe vehicle. I started paying her $500 a month to supplement her income since she said she needed to drop her hours at work down to part-time because the pregnancy was making her feel sick a lot. I think that may have been the beginning of the end right there. In hindsight, I truly believe that just as a shark is whipped into a feeding frenzy by the smallest traces of fresh blood, her newfound income stream clicked on a light bulb in her head. It didn't take too long before she started getting increasingly angry at me for no apparent reason. I found out after the break up that she had even told my mom that she hated me because I had "made her sell her van and made her quit her job" and that she resented that I had "made" her dependant on me. The final nail in the coffin of the relationship came one Saturday when we were all sitting on the sofa watching a movie. Her youngest son was sitting in my lap, and like a lot of 3 year olds, he was constantly looking for ways to push buttons and see what he could get away with. He found my button by spitting directly in my face. I was ****ed, but have never hit a child in my life, and wasn't about to then. I put my finger in his face and told him to never do that again. He turned his head away and tried to squirm out of my lap, so I *tapped* his forehead with my finger to get his attention. At that point, my ex jumped off the couch, screamed that I had just assaulted her son, and that if I didn't leave right away she was calling the police. So I left (we weren't living together yet, so I had my own house to go to). I tried calling her that night and 3 nights after, but she wouldn't answer the phone. When I finally got hold of her on the phone, she said it was over between us. I got pretty upset over this combined with the false allegation of abusing her son, so I snapped and told her that was her choice, but that I would stop paying her any money until after the baby was born. I swear to god I'm not making this up - she told me that was fine, since she knew how much I made and had already gone to the state's CSE web site and filled out the worksheet to see what she would be getting in child-support payments. Apparently, she had done this several weeks prior, and had already determined that she could get by financially just fine with the $916 a month the state would extract from my paycheck. It took exactly 2 months after by daughter was born for CSE to send me a letter demanding that I roll over and pay the amount they demanded. I flat out refused to their demands, as I was already voluntarily paying $600 a month plus making a $330 a month payment on the van I bought her. I hired an attorney to represent me at my "court hearing" thinking that would somehow help. Did I mention what I fool I was? For those of you who have already been to one or more of these "court hearings" you know exactly what was in store for me. This was the most disgusting circus act I've ever witnessed in my life. Each and every male high school student should be required to attend one of these jokes and witness what passes as justice, so they'll know what's really going on. The courtroom was packed to capacity. One by one, the cases were called off the docket. One by one, men of all ages and all walks of life went before the judge. One by one they were given less than a minute to speak before the judge rubber-stamped whatever order the state was asking for. One guy about my age was a laid-off computer programmer who was living with his father. He pleaded with the judge to understand that the job market for his skills was mostly dried up and the best job he could find only paid $9 an hour. The judge took all of about 5 seconds to consider the case, and then proceeded to "impute" this poor soul's income at $65,000 per year, his old salary before he was laid off. It was immediate obvious to me that this guy would be right back in that courtroom within 6 months facing felony charges for failure to pay child-support. The amount he was ordered to pay was over twice his present salary! There were so many other cases that stuck out in my mind, but I won't even try to detail them all. My attorney was absolutely no help, and I was given the same rubber-stamp treatment by the judge that everyone else got. Here's the kicker: my uncle's wife walked out on him about 15 years ago, taking their 2 daughters with her. Prior to the divorce, my uncle was a successful chemical engineer with a good salary and the "American Dream." Within 5 years, he was bankrupt and living in his ex-wife's laundry room. Yeah, it was a weird situation. The thing I feel so guilty about was that at the time I thought my uncle was a total loser! I hadn't the slightest clue what he had been put through by the "family court" system, and really just couldn't see why he was having so many financial and emotional problems. Here was a guy who was reduced to a bitter, bankrupted shadow of his former self. His old life was nothing but rubble and slag, all because his wife walked out of the marriage with the kids in tow. Who else didn't have the slightest notion of the way things are until it came knocking on their doorstep? I know I sure as hell didn't. --- The Deserted Dad |
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How many had prior knowledge of the "system"?
(deserted_dad) wrote in message . com...
Just out of curiosity, how many of you dads knew about the gross injustices of the modern-day "child support" system prior to being trapped in it yourself? And how many were utterly clueless about just how bad it is for fathers? I am very fortunate - I am 43, single, never married, no offspring, no support payments of any kind. I learned about the Family Court System through the Tom Leykis Show (97.1 FM in LA), and various websites ca. 2000-2001. A great place to start is the Mens News Daily links and resources page: http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/secondaries/linklist.htm remainder of all-too-true story left in for future generations of men I had absolutely no idea just how bad things were before I became ensnared in the system. I'm ashamed to admit it now, but I bought the media lies about all the "deadbeat dads" running amok in society hook, line, and sinker. I really thought there must be a strong need for a draconian legal system to hunt down and crucify the teeming hoards of men who where actively evading the payment of support for their kids. What a fool I was. I'm just about the furthest thing in the world from a "deadbeat dad" When my girlfriend of 2 years announced that she was pregnant, I did what I believed in my heart to be the honorable thing. I bought a really nice diamond engagement ring and proposed to her on Christmas morning of 2002. She was thrilled, said yes to the marriage, and for a very brief period at least, all was happy in my little world. She already had 2 young boys from a previous relationship, whom I had grown to love as my own. I was absolutely ecstatic about the idea of finally settling down with a wife and three kids. It's the American Dream, right? She was driving a pretty old van, so I soon bought her a new one because I didn't like the idea of my "family" riding in an unsafe vehicle. I started paying her $500 a month to supplement her income since she said she needed to drop her hours at work down to part-time because the pregnancy was making her feel sick a lot. I think that may have been the beginning of the end right there. In hindsight, I truly believe that just as a shark is whipped into a feeding frenzy by the smallest traces of fresh blood, her newfound income stream clicked on a light bulb in her head. It didn't take too long before she started getting increasingly angry at me for no apparent reason. I found out after the break up that she had even told my mom that she hated me because I had "made her sell her van and made her quit her job" and that she resented that I had "made" her dependant on me. The final nail in the coffin of the relationship came one Saturday when we were all sitting on the sofa watching a movie. Her youngest son was sitting in my lap, and like a lot of 3 year olds, he was constantly looking for ways to push buttons and see what he could get away with. He found my button by spitting directly in my face. I was ****ed, but have never hit a child in my life, and wasn't about to then. I put my finger in his face and told him to never do that again. He turned his head away and tried to squirm out of my lap, so I *tapped* his forehead with my finger to get his attention. At that point, my ex jumped off the couch, screamed that I had just assaulted her son, and that if I didn't leave right away she was calling the police. So I left (we weren't living together yet, so I had my own house to go to). I tried calling her that night and 3 nights after, but she wouldn't answer the phone. When I finally got hold of her on the phone, she said it was over between us. I got pretty upset over this combined with the false allegation of abusing her son, so I snapped and told her that was her choice, but that I would stop paying her any money until after the baby was born. I swear to god I'm not making this up - she told me that was fine, since she knew how much I made and had already gone to the state's CSE web site and filled out the worksheet to see what she would be getting in child-support payments. Apparently, she had done this several weeks prior, and had already determined that she could get by financially just fine with the $916 a month the state would extract from my paycheck. It took exactly 2 months after by daughter was born for CSE to send me a letter demanding that I roll over and pay the amount they demanded. I flat out refused to their demands, as I was already voluntarily paying $600 a month plus making a $330 a month payment on the van I bought her. I hired an attorney to represent me at my "court hearing" thinking that would somehow help. Did I mention what I fool I was? For those of you who have already been to one or more of these "court hearings" you know exactly what was in store for me. This was the most disgusting circus act I've ever witnessed in my life. Each and every male high school student should be required to attend one of these jokes and witness what passes as justice, so they'll know what's really going on. The courtroom was packed to capacity. One by one, the cases were called off the docket. One by one, men of all ages and all walks of life went before the judge. One by one they were given less than a minute to speak before the judge rubber-stamped whatever order the state was asking for. One guy about my age was a laid-off computer programmer who was living with his father. He pleaded with the judge to understand that the job market for his skills was mostly dried up and the best job he could find only paid $9 an hour. The judge took all of about 5 seconds to consider the case, and then proceeded to "impute" this poor soul's income at $65,000 per year, his old salary before he was laid off. It was immediate obvious to me that this guy would be right back in that courtroom within 6 months facing felony charges for failure to pay child-support. The amount he was ordered to pay was over twice his present salary! There were so many other cases that stuck out in my mind, but I won't even try to detail them all. My attorney was absolutely no help, and I was given the same rubber-stamp treatment by the judge that everyone else got. Here's the kicker: my uncle's wife walked out on him about 15 years ago, taking their 2 daughters with her. Prior to the divorce, my uncle was a successful chemical engineer with a good salary and the "American Dream." Within 5 years, he was bankrupt and living in his ex-wife's laundry room. Yeah, it was a weird situation. The thing I feel so guilty about was that at the time I thought my uncle was a total loser! I hadn't the slightest clue what he had been put through by the "family court" system, and really just couldn't see why he was having so many financial and emotional problems. Here was a guy who was reduced to a bitter, bankrupted shadow of his former self. His old life was nothing but rubble and slag, all because his wife walked out of the marriage with the kids in tow. Who else didn't have the slightest notion of the way things are until it came knocking on their doorstep? I know I sure as hell didn't. --- The Deserted Dad |
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How many had prior knowledge of the "system"?
(deserted_dad) wrote in message . com...
Just out of curiosity, how many of you dads knew about the gross injustices of the modern-day "child support" system prior to being trapped in it yourself? And how many were utterly clueless about just how bad it is for fathers? I am very fortunate - I am 43, single, never married, no offspring, no support payments of any kind. I learned about the Family Court System through the Tom Leykis Show (97.1 FM in LA), and various websites ca. 2000-2001. A great place to start is the Mens News Daily links and resources page: http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/secondaries/linklist.htm remainder of all-too-true story left in for future generations of men I had absolutely no idea just how bad things were before I became ensnared in the system. I'm ashamed to admit it now, but I bought the media lies about all the "deadbeat dads" running amok in society hook, line, and sinker. I really thought there must be a strong need for a draconian legal system to hunt down and crucify the teeming hoards of men who where actively evading the payment of support for their kids. What a fool I was. I'm just about the furthest thing in the world from a "deadbeat dad" When my girlfriend of 2 years announced that she was pregnant, I did what I believed in my heart to be the honorable thing. I bought a really nice diamond engagement ring and proposed to her on Christmas morning of 2002. She was thrilled, said yes to the marriage, and for a very brief period at least, all was happy in my little world. She already had 2 young boys from a previous relationship, whom I had grown to love as my own. I was absolutely ecstatic about the idea of finally settling down with a wife and three kids. It's the American Dream, right? She was driving a pretty old van, so I soon bought her a new one because I didn't like the idea of my "family" riding in an unsafe vehicle. I started paying her $500 a month to supplement her income since she said she needed to drop her hours at work down to part-time because the pregnancy was making her feel sick a lot. I think that may have been the beginning of the end right there. In hindsight, I truly believe that just as a shark is whipped into a feeding frenzy by the smallest traces of fresh blood, her newfound income stream clicked on a light bulb in her head. It didn't take too long before she started getting increasingly angry at me for no apparent reason. I found out after the break up that she had even told my mom that she hated me because I had "made her sell her van and made her quit her job" and that she resented that I had "made" her dependant on me. The final nail in the coffin of the relationship came one Saturday when we were all sitting on the sofa watching a movie. Her youngest son was sitting in my lap, and like a lot of 3 year olds, he was constantly looking for ways to push buttons and see what he could get away with. He found my button by spitting directly in my face. I was ****ed, but have never hit a child in my life, and wasn't about to then. I put my finger in his face and told him to never do that again. He turned his head away and tried to squirm out of my lap, so I *tapped* his forehead with my finger to get his attention. At that point, my ex jumped off the couch, screamed that I had just assaulted her son, and that if I didn't leave right away she was calling the police. So I left (we weren't living together yet, so I had my own house to go to). I tried calling her that night and 3 nights after, but she wouldn't answer the phone. When I finally got hold of her on the phone, she said it was over between us. I got pretty upset over this combined with the false allegation of abusing her son, so I snapped and told her that was her choice, but that I would stop paying her any money until after the baby was born. I swear to god I'm not making this up - she told me that was fine, since she knew how much I made and had already gone to the state's CSE web site and filled out the worksheet to see what she would be getting in child-support payments. Apparently, she had done this several weeks prior, and had already determined that she could get by financially just fine with the $916 a month the state would extract from my paycheck. It took exactly 2 months after by daughter was born for CSE to send me a letter demanding that I roll over and pay the amount they demanded. I flat out refused to their demands, as I was already voluntarily paying $600 a month plus making a $330 a month payment on the van I bought her. I hired an attorney to represent me at my "court hearing" thinking that would somehow help. Did I mention what I fool I was? For those of you who have already been to one or more of these "court hearings" you know exactly what was in store for me. This was the most disgusting circus act I've ever witnessed in my life. Each and every male high school student should be required to attend one of these jokes and witness what passes as justice, so they'll know what's really going on. The courtroom was packed to capacity. One by one, the cases were called off the docket. One by one, men of all ages and all walks of life went before the judge. One by one they were given less than a minute to speak before the judge rubber-stamped whatever order the state was asking for. One guy about my age was a laid-off computer programmer who was living with his father. He pleaded with the judge to understand that the job market for his skills was mostly dried up and the best job he could find only paid $9 an hour. The judge took all of about 5 seconds to consider the case, and then proceeded to "impute" this poor soul's income at $65,000 per year, his old salary before he was laid off. It was immediate obvious to me that this guy would be right back in that courtroom within 6 months facing felony charges for failure to pay child-support. The amount he was ordered to pay was over twice his present salary! There were so many other cases that stuck out in my mind, but I won't even try to detail them all. My attorney was absolutely no help, and I was given the same rubber-stamp treatment by the judge that everyone else got. Here's the kicker: my uncle's wife walked out on him about 15 years ago, taking their 2 daughters with her. Prior to the divorce, my uncle was a successful chemical engineer with a good salary and the "American Dream." Within 5 years, he was bankrupt and living in his ex-wife's laundry room. Yeah, it was a weird situation. The thing I feel so guilty about was that at the time I thought my uncle was a total loser! I hadn't the slightest clue what he had been put through by the "family court" system, and really just couldn't see why he was having so many financial and emotional problems. Here was a guy who was reduced to a bitter, bankrupted shadow of his former self. His old life was nothing but rubble and slag, all because his wife walked out of the marriage with the kids in tow. Who else didn't have the slightest notion of the way things are until it came knocking on their doorstep? I know I sure as hell didn't. --- The Deserted Dad |
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teachrmama wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... big snip If there did happen to be a pedophile who was caught in the act by the preacher, the chief of police, and Mother Teresa herself, would you think that, perhaps, he should not be permitted to be alone with children? That, maybe, his wife would be justified in leaving him in order to protect the children? By the time she gets done telling it, Adam will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Eve would have escaped to save the child. By the time she gets done telling it, Joseph will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Mary would have escaped to save the child. Whether or not there are actual pedophiles and wife beaters can not be determined by listening to wives who would destroy their families. Who, then, would you listen to if not the witness? If the woman goes to the hospital with broken bones, and the child has bruises up and down his body, how can you say "Don't listen to the woman who wants to break up the family"? I'm trying to understand what you are saying, Bob. I do not think marriages whould be ended on a whim, or "to find myself" or any other nonsense. Most do actually. In data that has been posted several times over the past year those are the most common reasons. Which is very sad, but does not invalidate every reason to end a marriage. I am not in favor of breaking up families. But sometimes there *are* serious problems that have to be addressed from a point of safety. Usually not. Children are usually, statistically, safer staying with their fathers. But not always, Bob. I am asking about the few that are not included in your "usually safer with their fathers" And your answer to that *seems* to be that the woman does not have the right to break up the family, because she is probably lying just to get out of the marriage. So, instead of making the same statement again, please tell me how it should be determined that an abuser is abusive enough for a woman to be justified in leaving. Or how it can be determined that a man is a pdeophile if you are not willing to listen to the wife or the kids. One day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town sat home and hoisted another glass of beer because by then nobody gave a **** whether there was a wolf or not. Females who cry "wife beating pedophile" are like the shepherd. They've been crying the same lying crap so many times nobody gives a **** any more whether it's true this time or not. You ignored that analogy entirely, didn't you. There are absolutely women who have abused the system, who have lied about fathers being abusive only to get custody of the children. These scum are one of the reasons the system is as badly screwed up as it is. They should lose custody of their children and spend some time in jail as far as I am concerned. But these are not the ones I am asking about. There have been so many liars and so many falsely accused men. Ask me if I give a ****? I am asking about the women who are *truly* abused by their husbands. About the children who are *truly* molested by their fathers. Your comments to women on this forum who have offered medical and/or criminal evidence that they or their children have experienced this is that they are just propogating the normal feminist lies. You can't possibly know that, but you claim it anyway. There have been so many liars and so many falsely accused men. Ask me if I give a ****? So my bottom line question for you, Bob, is: Do you feel that there are circumstances involving abuse and or molestation that would give the wife/mother an acceptable reason to "break up the family" in order to keep herself and her children safe? There have been so many liars and so many falsely accused men. Ask me if I give a ****? -- When did we divide into sides? "As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ [Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.] |
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How many had prior knowledge of the
teachrmama wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... big snip If there did happen to be a pedophile who was caught in the act by the preacher, the chief of police, and Mother Teresa herself, would you think that, perhaps, he should not be permitted to be alone with children? That, maybe, his wife would be justified in leaving him in order to protect the children? By the time she gets done telling it, Adam will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Eve would have escaped to save the child. By the time she gets done telling it, Joseph will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Mary would have escaped to save the child. Whether or not there are actual pedophiles and wife beaters can not be determined by listening to wives who would destroy their families. Who, then, would you listen to if not the witness? If the woman goes to the hospital with broken bones, and the child has bruises up and down his body, how can you say "Don't listen to the woman who wants to break up the family"? I'm trying to understand what you are saying, Bob. I do not think marriages whould be ended on a whim, or "to find myself" or any other nonsense. Most do actually. In data that has been posted several times over the past year those are the most common reasons. Which is very sad, but does not invalidate every reason to end a marriage. I am not in favor of breaking up families. But sometimes there *are* serious problems that have to be addressed from a point of safety. Usually not. Children are usually, statistically, safer staying with their fathers. But not always, Bob. I am asking about the few that are not included in your "usually safer with their fathers" And your answer to that *seems* to be that the woman does not have the right to break up the family, because she is probably lying just to get out of the marriage. So, instead of making the same statement again, please tell me how it should be determined that an abuser is abusive enough for a woman to be justified in leaving. Or how it can be determined that a man is a pdeophile if you are not willing to listen to the wife or the kids. One day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town sat home and hoisted another glass of beer because by then nobody gave a **** whether there was a wolf or not. Females who cry "wife beating pedophile" are like the shepherd. They've been crying the same lying crap so many times nobody gives a **** any more whether it's true this time or not. You ignored that analogy entirely, didn't you. There are absolutely women who have abused the system, who have lied about fathers being abusive only to get custody of the children. These scum are one of the reasons the system is as badly screwed up as it is. They should lose custody of their children and spend some time in jail as far as I am concerned. But these are not the ones I am asking about. There have been so many liars and so many falsely accused men. Ask me if I give a ****? I am asking about the women who are *truly* abused by their husbands. About the children who are *truly* molested by their fathers. Your comments to women on this forum who have offered medical and/or criminal evidence that they or their children have experienced this is that they are just propogating the normal feminist lies. You can't possibly know that, but you claim it anyway. There have been so many liars and so many falsely accused men. Ask me if I give a ****? So my bottom line question for you, Bob, is: Do you feel that there are circumstances involving abuse and or molestation that would give the wife/mother an acceptable reason to "break up the family" in order to keep herself and her children safe? There have been so many liars and so many falsely accused men. Ask me if I give a ****? -- When did we divide into sides? "As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ [Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.] |
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How many had prior knowledge of the
teachrmama wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... big snip If there did happen to be a pedophile who was caught in the act by the preacher, the chief of police, and Mother Teresa herself, would you think that, perhaps, he should not be permitted to be alone with children? That, maybe, his wife would be justified in leaving him in order to protect the children? By the time she gets done telling it, Adam will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Eve would have escaped to save the child. By the time she gets done telling it, Joseph will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Mary would have escaped to save the child. Whether or not there are actual pedophiles and wife beaters can not be determined by listening to wives who would destroy their families. Who, then, would you listen to if not the witness? If the woman goes to the hospital with broken bones, and the child has bruises up and down his body, how can you say "Don't listen to the woman who wants to break up the family"? I'm trying to understand what you are saying, Bob. I do not think marriages whould be ended on a whim, or "to find myself" or any other nonsense. Most do actually. In data that has been posted several times over the past year those are the most common reasons. Which is very sad, but does not invalidate every reason to end a marriage. I am not in favor of breaking up families. But sometimes there *are* serious problems that have to be addressed from a point of safety. Usually not. Children are usually, statistically, safer staying with their fathers. But not always, Bob. I am asking about the few that are not included in your "usually safer with their fathers" And your answer to that *seems* to be that the woman does not have the right to break up the family, because she is probably lying just to get out of the marriage. So, instead of making the same statement again, please tell me how it should be determined that an abuser is abusive enough for a woman to be justified in leaving. Or how it can be determined that a man is a pdeophile if you are not willing to listen to the wife or the kids. One day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town sat home and hoisted another glass of beer because by then nobody gave a **** whether there was a wolf or not. Females who cry "wife beating pedophile" are like the shepherd. They've been crying the same lying crap so many times nobody gives a **** any more whether it's true this time or not. You ignored that analogy entirely, didn't you. There are absolutely women who have abused the system, who have lied about fathers being abusive only to get custody of the children. These scum are one of the reasons the system is as badly screwed up as it is. They should lose custody of their children and spend some time in jail as far as I am concerned. But these are not the ones I am asking about. There have been so many liars and so many falsely accused men. Ask me if I give a ****? I am asking about the women who are *truly* abused by their husbands. About the children who are *truly* molested by their fathers. Your comments to women on this forum who have offered medical and/or criminal evidence that they or their children have experienced this is that they are just propogating the normal feminist lies. You can't possibly know that, but you claim it anyway. There have been so many liars and so many falsely accused men. Ask me if I give a ****? So my bottom line question for you, Bob, is: Do you feel that there are circumstances involving abuse and or molestation that would give the wife/mother an acceptable reason to "break up the family" in order to keep herself and her children safe? There have been so many liars and so many falsely accused men. Ask me if I give a ****? -- When did we divide into sides? "As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ [Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.] |
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How many had prior knowledge of the
teachrmama wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message ... teachrmama wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... big snip If there did happen to be a pedophile who was caught in the act by the preacher, the chief of police, and Mother Teresa herself, would you think that, perhaps, he should not be permitted to be alone with children? That, maybe, his wife would be justified in leaving him in order to protect the children? By the time she gets done telling it, Adam will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Eve would have escaped to save the child. By the time she gets done telling it, Joseph will be the scum wife beater pedophile, and Mary would have escaped to save the child. Whether or not there are actual pedophiles and wife beaters can not be determined by listening to wives who would destroy their families. Who, then, would you listen to if not the witness? If the woman goes to the hospital with broken bones, and the child has bruises up and down his body, how can you say "Don't listen to the woman who wants to break up the family"? I'm trying to understand what you are saying, Bob. I do not think marriages whould be ended on a whim, or "to find myself" or any other nonsense. Most do actually. In data that has been posted several times over the past year those are the most common reasons. Which is very sad, but does not invalidate every reason to end a marriage. I am not in favor of breaking up families. But sometimes there *are* serious problems that have to be addressed from a point of safety. Usually not. Children are usually, statistically, safer staying with their fathers. But not always, Bob. I am asking about the few that are not included in your "usually safer with their fathers" And your answer to that *seems* to be that the woman does not have the right to break up the family, because she is probably lying just to get out of the marriage. So, instead of making the same statement again, please tell me how it should be determined that an abuser is abusive enough for a woman to be justified in leaving. Or how it can be determined that a man is a pdeophile if you are not willing to listen to the wife or the kids. One day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town all ran out to save his sheep, but there was no wolf. The next day the little shepherd ran into town crying "wolf! wolf! wolf!" The people of the town sat home and hoisted another glass of beer because by then nobody gave a **** whether there was a wolf or not. Females who cry "wife beating pedophile" are like the shepherd. They've been crying the same lying crap so many times nobody gives a **** any more whether it's true this time or not. There are absolutely women who have abused the system, who have lied about fathers being abusive only to get custody of the children. These scum are one of the reasons the system is as badly screwed up as it is. They should lose custody of their children and spend some time in jail as far as I am concerned. But these are not the ones I am asking about. I am asking about the women who are *truly* abused by their husbands. About the children who are *truly* molested by their fathers. Your comments to women on this forum who have offered medical and/or criminal evidence that they or their children have experienced this is that they are just propogating the normal feminist lies. You can't possibly know that, but you claim it anyway. So my bottom line question for you, Bob, is: Do you feel that there are circumstances involving abuse and or molestation that would give the wife/mother an acceptable reason to "break up the family" in order to keep herself and her children safe? As Ret Butler once said, Frankly Toots, I don't give a damn. Bob -- When did we divide into sides? "As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ |
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