Every social science construct deeply flawed.

How many utilize control groups? That is, those with no interventions, but
other variables controlled for?

How many advocates of spanking have used control groups?

And what in heave's name do you mean: "That is, those with no
interventions, but other variables controlled for?

There has been NO research showing that spanking is effective in more
then the very short term. NO longitudinal studies of any appreciable
length EVER done, Furneal. Nothing but anecdote, superstition, and self
deluded, " I turned out okay," baloney.

The spankers have done NOTHING but attack those that attempt to do
actual research. Even the darlings of the spanking compulsives do not
do rigerous research.

Get over it. Spanking is vicious assault disquised as "love" and never
has been anything else, except when it's obvious vengence and sadism.

It teaches nothing but more of the same viciousness that will then go
on and be perpetuated in the next generation. And our world is filled
with the misery that comes of this sick belief that children are
natural evil and must be "trained" like vicious animals, and subdued.

YOU ARE SICK, AS A SUPPORTER OF THIS PRACTICE, AS THOSE ARE THAT DO IT.
DID YOU SPANKIING YOUR CHILDREN OR HOTSAUCE THEM?

Which wet your panties best for you you sick twit?

Kane

Kane has rabies.

Greegor wrote:
Kane has rabies.

That's a spanking related disease, isn't it?

I don't, so I can't.

Kane

LOL! Kane the researcher! More like an empty kane makes
the the loudest noise. :-)

Doan

On 3 Feb 2005, Kane wrote:

How many advocates of spanking have used control groups?

And what in heave's name do you mean: "That is, those with no
interventions, but other variables controlled for?

There has been NO research showing that spanking is effective in more
then the very short term. NO longitudinal studies of any appreciable
length EVER done, Furneal. Nothing but anecdote, superstition, and self
deluded, " I turned out okay," baloney.

The spankers have done NOTHING but attack those that attempt to do
actual research. Even the darlings of the spanking compulsives do not
do rigerous research.

Get over it. Spanking is vicious assault disquised as "love" and never
has been anything else, except when it's obvious vengence and sadism.

It teaches nothing but more of the same viciousness that will then go
on and be perpetuated in the next generation. And our world is filled
with the misery that comes of this sick belief that children are
natural evil and must be "trained" like vicious animals, and subdued.

YOU ARE SICK, AS A SUPPORTER OF THIS PRACTICE, AS THOSE ARE THAT DO IT.
DID YOU SPANKIING YOUR CHILDREN OR HOTSAUCE THEM?

Which wet your panties best for you you sick twit?

Kane

"Kane" wrote in message
ups.com...

Get over it. Spanking is vicious assault disquised as "love" and never
has been anything else, except when it's obvious vengence and sadism.

Agreed. I can almost understand (though not condone) the parent who
strikes their child out of sheer exasperation when they are at the end
of their tether.

However the pre-meditated stuff is impossible to understand.
My parents claimed they loved me but they would say would spank
me and let me stew for 12hrs waiting for it. I guess it was all part of
the 'punishment'. Then a certain 'dosage' of pain would be inflicted
upon my little body, the severity of which would be varied depending
upon how bad my behaviour/actions were thought to have been.

Even back then, what hurt me most wasn't the bodily pain but the thought
that people who claimed to 'love' me were prepared to make a seemingly
rational decision to deliver such terrible pain on me.
It was cold and calculating. Horrible.

Fern5827 wrote:
How many utilize control groups? That is, those with no interventions, but
other variables controlled for?

How many "what or who" utilize control groups? Are you at a coffee party
again? Who are you talking about?

LaVonne

Interesting response....

Kane wrote:

How many advocates of spanking have used control groups?

None.

And what in heave's name do you mean: "That is, those with no
interventions, but other variables controlled for?

I suspect Fern would like control groups where children are spanked
repeatedly compared with groups where children are rarely or never
spanked. Ethically this is impossible. Can you imagine designing a
study where a group of parents are instructed to hit their children, and
become part of a control group?

There has been NO research showing that spanking is effective in more
then the very short term. NO longitudinal studies of any appreciable
length EVER done, Furneal. Nothing but anecdote, superstition, and self
deluded, " I turned out okay," baloney.

No there is NO resedarch showing that spanking is effective in the long
run, and very little that shows spanking to be effective even sort term.

Fern may have the data though.

LaVonne

The spankers have done NOTHING but attack those that attempt to do
actual research. Even the darlings of the spanking compulsives do not
do rigerous research.

Get over it. Spanking is vicious assault disquised as "love" and never
has been anything else, except when it's obvious vengence and sadism.

It teaches nothing but more of the same viciousness that will then go
on and be perpetuated in the next generation. And our world is filled
with the misery that comes of this sick belief that children are
natural evil and must be "trained" like vicious animals, and subdued.

YOU ARE SICK, AS A SUPPORTER OF THIS PRACTICE, AS THOSE ARE THAT DO IT.
DID YOU SPANKIING YOUR CHILDREN OR HOTSAUCE THEM?

Which wet your panties best for you you sick twit?

Kane

Korma wrote:

"Kane" wrote in message
ups.com...

Get over it. Spanking is vicious assault disquised as "love" and never
has been anything else, except when it's obvious vengence and sadism.


Agreed. I can almost understand (though not condone) the parent who
strikes their child out of sheer exasperation when they are at the end
of their tether.

I can also understand though not condone this situation.

What you describe below is what so many children experience. Thoughtful
spanking out of love makes my blood run cold. The idea that a so-called
loving parent can look in the eyes of a child and inflict pain on that
child (both physical and emotional) and call the practice discipline is sad.

I hope you are okay.

Take care.

LaVonne

However the pre-meditated stuff is impossible to understand.
My parents claimed they loved me but they would say would spank
me and let me stew for 12hrs waiting for it. I guess it was all part of
the 'punishment'. Then a certain 'dosage' of pain would be inflicted
upon my little body, the severity of which would be varied depending
upon how bad my behaviour/actions were thought to have been.

Even back then, what hurt me most wasn't the bodily pain but the thought
that people who claimed to 'love' me were prepared to make a seemingly
rational decision to deliver such terrible pain on me.
It was cold and calculating. Horrible.

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, Carlson LaVonne wrote:

Korma wrote:

"Kane" wrote in message
ups.com...

Get over it. Spanking is vicious assault disquised as "love" and never
has been anything else, except when it's obvious vengence and sadism.


Agreed. I can almost understand (though not condone) the parent who
strikes their child out of sheer exasperation when they are at the end
of their tether.

I can also understand though not condone this situation.

What you describe below is what so many children experience. Thoughtful
spanking out of love makes my blood run cold. The idea that a so-called
loving parent can look in the eyes of a child and inflict pain on that
child (both physical and emotional) and call the practice discipline is sad.

I hope you are okay.

Take care.

LaVonne

I guess LaVonne can relate to you because she was spanked as a kid. Her
parents even had to muffle her cries!

Doan