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Everyone Uses the Condom - Girls also use Implanon or NexplanonT- Boys also use the pull-out method.



 
 
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Old February 6th 16, 10:59 PM posted to misc.kids.health,alt.parenting.solutions,alt.aus.parents,alt.wedding,alt.support.marriage
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Default Everyone Uses the Condom - Girls also use Implanon or NexplanonT- Boys also use the pull-out method.

I Agree!

Females: Concurrently use 1) Condoms and 2) The Sponge/Diaphragm or
Hormonal/IUD, 3) Tell the male to Pull-Out and Cum on your Tits.

Males: Concurrently use 1) Condoms and 2) The Pull-Out Method.

Never use the Pull-Out Method or the Sponge by itself. In fact, you
shouldn't use Condoms by themselves either.

If you're in a persistent loving relationship where you can trust your
partner, any two different combined methods may be sufficient, while
three different combined methods may provide 100% safety.

Thank you Tom Mr. for that excellent explanation and analysis - below
bottom and to end.

Actual studies should now be done on the risk of using two methods
concurrently. There could, for instance be a correlated factor that
caused both methods to fail concurrently, but probably not, and the
below numbers shouldn't lie.



On 1/3/2016 2:21 PM, Tom Mr. wrote:
On 10/21/2015 12:30 PM, Sheila S wrote:
On 10/20/2015 3:47 PM, Tom Mr. wrote:
On 10/20/2015 1:02 PM, Safe Sex is Good wrote:
On 10/20/2015 2:50 AM, Pregnancy Prevention wrote:
On 10/20/2015 2:46 AM, Pregnancy Prevention wrote:

Girls use Implanon or NexplanonT and the condom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etonog...eptive_implant

Boys use the condom and the pull-out method.


I mean together. Use them together.


If you always carry 3 condoms you'll always be ready for sex.



Indeed! Everyone should use both. The risk with just Implanon is 1 in
2000, the risk with Implanon and Condoms is 1/2,000 x 1/6 (condom
typical use) x 1/100 (100 sex acts per year double counted) = 1 in
1,200,000.

They give DUIs to lower the risk of dying in a car accident to less than
1 in 2,000. Maybe you think a pregnancy is not death but it's kind of
getting close.

For boys: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4(pull-out) x 1/100(sex acts double counted)
= 1 in 2,400. In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/25(pull-out
perfect) x 1/100 (sex acts per year double counted)= 1/125,000.

From 1 in 2,400 to 1 in 125,000 might be safe enough to use if there's
not a better option. As the risk of dying in a car accident is about 1
in 10,000*. However they are always trying to find ways to lower that
risk and save the 30,000 which die. If in a repeated and pre-meditated
relationship, one can advise their partner to use hormonal or the sponge
or diaphragm in addition.

Contraceptive rates from the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealt...ethods_508.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealt...ethods_508.pdf



*1 in 10,000 is of course less than 1 in 2,000.




Likewise, the risk with no birth control is 80%.

1 in 1.25 per every 100 sex acts (per year).
1 in 125 per act.

4 times, no protection = 4 in 125 = 1 in 30.
12 times, no protection = 12 in 125 = 1 in 10 = 10%.


HAVE SEX 125 TIMES AND THE RISK IS 100% YOU WILL GET PREGNANT!


I knew a girl in high school who only had sex 4 times and got pregnant.
1 in 30 girls would!

It's like the movie "Fast Times as Ridgemont High," where she has sex
for less than 5 minutes and gets pregnant.

Having sex with no protection is the same as intending to get pregnant.
If you get semen in your vagina and thus uterus with no protection,
your chances of pregnancy with ordinary sexuality are 100% in 1.25 years.

It doesn't matter what age you are, the risk stays the same. Those who
are older are sometimes wiser and more financially able to support. And
those who already have children may have less of a life change. That's
the only difference.

But telling teens not to have sex is effectively telling teens to
masturbate. Teens have mature and operating sex organs and physically
are as ready for sex physically as they will be at any time in their
lives. To say teens are not ready for sex for some mental reason is
ignorant and unintelligent belittlement and insult. Sexuality is right,
and the risk of an unplanned pregnancy as described above
notwithstanding. Teens are also responsible enough to be taught to use
the simple and effective methods of birth control as described above. If
they weren't, they wouldn't be responsible enough to not have sex which
they're not not doing. Like it's easier to just say "Use Abstinence?"
No, I disagree. It is easy enough to just say "Use these methods." They
know how to cook eggs for cripesakes. They're as interested in the
opposite sex as they'll ever be. They're as horny as they'll ever be.
They need as much agency to protect themselves from the risk of
pregnancy as they'll ever need. Teens should legally have sex in their
own bedrooms.

For your sake, and for the sake of the unborn child, and for everyone's
sake; take the above advice and use and advocate more than one method of
birth control together at a time when you have sex.



http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealt...ethods_508.pdf



That's a good chart. This table from the Association of Reproductive
Health Professionals is also helpful, as it shows a precise breakdown of
the risk of using contraceptives in both typical and perfect use.

https://www.arhp.org/Publications-an...re-rates-table

As an example it shows spermicide in typical use, percent of women out
of 100% pregnant in one year, 28% in typical use, and 18% in perfect
use. Divide 100% by 28%, and 18%, and see the risk is 1 in 3.57 women
in typical use, and 1 in 5.55 women in perfect use will get pregnant in
a year with just spermicide.

For the withdrawal method it shows 22% in typical use and 4% in perfect
use. Divide 100% by 22% and 4%, and see the risk is 1 in 4.54 women in
typical use, and 1 in 25 women in perfect use will get pregnant in a
year with just withdrawal.

An individual's risk must fall somewhere in between those two, depending
on how likely they are to be among those who fail to use the birth
control perfectly, and end up increasing the statistic for typical use.

I find it interesting that people sometimes advocate the use of
spermicide with condoms (or the diaphragm), but more rarely advocate
withdrawal as a 2nd method concurrently. They should. The withdrawal
method is more effective than spermicide according to the chart; and
like spermicide, when combined with another type of birth control, the
chance of both failing at the same time make its use even more
important. Though the responsibility and control over this method
remain in the hands of the man - who should take as much responsibility
for birth control as the woman, it's an important method for males.
Though the woman should take her own responsibility and not expect or
rely on the male if not engaging in repeated activities with a known and
trusted partner.





Hi, actually, girls should just use the sponge and the condom, and boys
should just use the pull-out and the condom. Boys and girls should never
use the sponge or the pull-out without any other methods, but when
either is used in conjunction with another method, the increase in
safety is so significant that it must be mentioned repeatedly. It's kind
of silly for a girl who is not already in a repeated sexual relationship
to be on hormonal birth control for the sake of pregnancy. I mean, a
girl could go three years on Implanon without ever having sex, whether
she's 14 or 34. The sponge and condom concurrently provide about as much
safety for a female as the pull-out method and the condom concurrently
do a male. The female can only count on those two methods of the sponge
and the condom (until with a male she knows well sexually) while it's
possible the male could count on all three, as he could put a sponge in
a female (wash hands first to avoid introducing harmful bacteria into
the vaginal canal!), and thus could count on all of the three
non-prescription, non-invasive, methods himself. Nevertheless, the
female could tell the male to pull-out, and that she wants him to cum on
her Tits. But she can't and shouldn't count on it (unless possibly in an
ongoing and trustworthy relationship). The sponge along with the condom,
will work well for the female for spontaneous sex, while a $50 diaphragm
(prescription) is an easy and less expensive alternative to the sponge
for sex that is more anticipated; i.e. a boyfriend coming over for the
night. A sponge is probably easier to carry than a diaphragm that
requires a tube of spermicide and more preparation to put in. As soon as
a first instance of sex becomes a repeated sexual relationship, a female
can switch to a diaphragm when sex is more expected, and save money and
be a little safer, or persist with the sponge when it remains
spontaneous. Or, the female can at that point consider one of the 5
types of hormonal birth control:
1. The Implant
2. Injections
3. The Vaginal Ring
4. The Patch
5. The Birth Control Pill - there are actually 3 different types of
birth control pills, thus equating to 7 different types of hormonal
methods total.
And, there is also the IUD.

Hormonal methods and the IUD sometimes have side effects however!

Implanon has been reported to cause mental changes.

The diaphragm, the sponge, the condom, and pull-out method have no such
side effects. On the other hand, some women want hormonal birth control
to stop or regulate their period.

So consider and read about, the psychological and physiological risks of
hormonal birth control and the IUD, and watch out for any changes if you
start using them.

The risks of pregnancy using the sponge and the condom together, as
mentioned above, thus are calculated as follows (explained below) from:
https://www.arhp.org/Publications-an...re-rates-table

(parous means "birth," nulli means "not;" not birth = not mothers)

Condoms and Pull-Out
Typical use: 1 in 2,730, perfect use 1 in 125,000

Condom and Diaphragm:
Typical use: 1 in 4,998, perfect use 1 in 83,350

Condoms and Sponge in women who have not had babies-"Nulliparous women:"
Typical use: 1 in 4,998, perfect use 1 in 55,550

Condoms and Sponge in mothers who have had babies -"Parous women:"
Typical use: 1 in 2,502, perfect use 1 in 25,000

These are the yearly risks of 100 sex acts inclusive, presuming the
statistical snake-eyes theory of calculation described below makes
sense, and that the risks given on the webpage are based upon 100 sex
acts per year (they may only be based upon 80, in which case, divide the
above risks by 100 and multiply by 80, for 80 sex acts inclusive. - For
each additional year of active sex, the risk goes up! 2 years, twice the
risk, 10 years, 10x the risk!).

These statistics are calculated as follows:
For the sponge alone, by itself we see from the chart on the webpage:
Mothers who have given birth "Parous women," 24% in typical use, and 20%
in perfect use, in a given year of consistent sex will get pregnant,
that's about 1 in 4 to 1 in 5.

and women who have not given birth "Nulliparous women,"
we see 12% in typical use, and 9% in perfect use in a given year of
consistent sex will get pregnant, that's about 1 in 8 to 1 in 10.

So, as I just described, if you divide 24%, 20%, 12% and 9% each into
100%, you get the exact calculations of the numbers I suggest, and see
that for Mothers "Parous women" 1 in 4.17 mothers in typical use and 1
in 5 mothers in perfect use will get pregnant using only the sponge
alone from a year of consistent sex, and for non-mothers "Nulliparous
women," 1 in 8.33 in typical use, and 1 in 11.11 in perfect use will get
pregnant with the sponge alone from a year of consistent sex.

For the diaphragm alone, we see from the chart on the webpage, 12% in
typical use, and 6% in perfect use in a given year of consistent sex
will get pregnant. Thus if you divide 12% and 6% into 100%, you get
1 in 8.33 in typical use, and 1 in 16.67 in perfect use, will get
pregnant with the diaphragm alone, from a year of consistent sex.

For the condom alone, - we see from the chart on the webpage, 18% in
typical use, and 2% in perfect use, in a given year of consistent sex
will get pregnant. Thus if you divide 18% and 2% into 100%, you get
1 in 6 in typical use, and 1 in 50 in perfect use, will get pregnant
with the condom alone, from a year of consistent sex. (Other sources
suggest in typical use condoms may be slightly safer than 18% - like
maybe 16.66%).

And for withdrawal, as noted in messages above, we see from the chart on
the webpage, 22% in typical use, and 4% in perfect use, in a given year
of consistent sex will get pregnant. Thus if you divide 22% and 4% into
100%, you get 1 in 4.55 in typical use, and 1 in 25 in perfect use will
get pregnant with the withdrawal method alone, from a year of consistent
sex.

The yearly risks of birth control are given based upon 80-100 sex acts.
But when 2 types of birth control are used, the per act risk times the
per act risk must be considered first. Only then may the number of
yearly acts actually committed determine the actual risk - 80-100 acts
per year here - to come up with the normal yearly risk. Thus merely
multiplying the _yearly risk_ times the _yearly risk_ makes the yearly
risk of pregnancy apparently appear greater than it really is, as the
per act risk must be multiplied by the per act risk _first_, and then
multiplied times the number of actual acts. To describe further:
If one rolled one die, the chance it came up with the "1" dot side up is
1/6. If one rolls two dice together, the chance both come up with the
"1" dot sides up together - called "snake eyes" - is 1 in 36 or 1/36
which is exactly equal to 1/6 x 1/6. You may check this fact by
realizing that for each of the 6 sides on the first die that may come
up, there are 6 possibilities of the second die that may come up with it.
Further, if one rolls one die by itself again, 3 times this time, the
chance the "1" dot side comes up with that one die, is 3 chances in 6,
or 3/6. Yet, if one rolls both dice 3 times together, the chance of
"snake eyes," is not 3/6 x 3/6 = 9/36, but rather 3 in 36, or 3/36.
3/36, not 9/36. So for these birth control statistics, I presume we have
to multiply the per act risk, times the per act risk, _first_, and then
multiply by the number of sex acts, to get the true risk. As the yearly
risks given by the chart above were already based upon (80 or) 100 sex
acts, when we multiply the yearly risk times the yearly risk, we have
factored 100 acts twice, and need to divide by 100 to get the right risk.

So to get the 4 above statistics

For the condom and the pull-out method (yearly risk) again, we see:
In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4.55(pull-out) x 1/100(sex acts double
factored) = 1 in 2,730.
In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/25(pull-out perfect) x
1/100(sex acts double factored) = 1 in 125,000.

For the condom and diaphragm (yearly risk) in all females, we see:
In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/8.33(diaphragm) x 1/100(sex acts double
counted) = 1 in 4,998.
In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/16.67(diaphragm perfect) x
1/100 (sex acts per year double counted) = 1 in 83,350.

For the condom and sponge in Nulliparous girls non-mothers, we see: In
In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/8.33(sponge) x 1/100(sex acts double
factored) = 1 in 4,998.
In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/11.11(sponge perfect) x 1/100
(sex acts per year double factored)= 1 in 55,550.

For the condom and sponge in Parous women - mothers, we see:
In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4.17(sponge) x 1/100(sex acts double
counted) = 1 in 2,502.
In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/5 (sponge perfect) x 1/100 (sex
acts per year double counted)= 1 in 25,000.


So it's obvious that while the sponge alone, like the pull-out method,
is not an effective method of birth control by itself - and neither much
is the condom, - when any two are combined with one another, the risk
becomes fairly acceptable.

(Note that by itself, in mothers, "Parous women," the sponge is more
risky than the pull-out by itself, in typical and perfect use, both.)

So if you're female, use the sponge and a condom for spontaneous sex, as
these can be carried and inserted easily, and get a prescription
diaphragm which requires the use of spermicide, for immediate use in a
repeated relationship (basically just because it's cheaper. Also in
perfect use a little safer in non-mothers, and three times safer in
mothers, and in typical use, equal risk in non-mothers and twice the
safety in mothers) in which one can anticipate sex ahead of time - like
a date with someone one has already had sex with. At $50 this is cheaper
for someone not consistently sexually active, than is any hormonal birth
control method. After in a repeated relationship, one can consider an
IUD or a hormonal method (such as Implanon ($800 = over 3
years=$266/year), (or the pill $15-$50/month=$180-$600/year)), or stick
with the diaphragm and sponge plan.

The sponge is a bit pricey at $3-$5 each, but for 24 or so anticipated
sex acts per year, that's only $72-$120, then one may switch to the
diaphragm for repeated relationships - or pay $300-$500 per year to
continue using the sponge for 100 sex acts. The Sponge is probably a
better plan for spontaneous sex because you don't have to carry a tube
of spermicide, and it may be easier to insert (remember to wash your
hands first).

You can order the sponge online at Walmart he

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Today-Spon...count/29314216


I encourage all men to order their daughters 10 boxes ($110-$150), and
encourage them to carry one in their purse, changing it out at least
once per month, along with 3 condoms. The sponge can be used all night,
condoms may need to be changed.

Boys should also carry 3 condoms, plan to pull-out before they
ejaculate, and try out various condom varieties in the Fleshlight before
they have sex with them. So get your sons the Fleshlight.
And get your daughters the Jack-Rabbit vibrator, and/or a smaller
vibrator or dildo especially if they're on the younger side, while
you're at it. Girls can break their hymen with a dildo themselves, and
then it won't hurt their first time, and they won't bleed and expose
themselves to increased risk of disease for their first time.

Get both sons and daughters a supply of at least 90-100 condoms
($40-$120 (or even less)), so they can carry 3 at a time for 36 months.
I'm serious.

You might order them here, or get a variety pack online somewhere for
the boys to test out in the Fleshlight, and get a variety you know is
most comfortable for males for the girls.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/LifeStyles...-40ct/17324884
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Lifestyles...-14ct/16940435

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Trojan-Ult...count/21000193


Queen size beds are a good idea, as minors should have sex in the safety
of their own homes. Sexuality is a human right, and "wards," have rights
as well - if as yet undefined -. It's kind of stupid to be counseled to
talk to your kids about sex, and then be expected to have them to have
sex in the back of a car.

In regards to the above risks, realize an individual's risk must fall
somewhere in between typical and perfect use, depending on how likely
they are to be among those who fail to use the birth control method
perfectly, and end up increasing the statistic for typical use (wouldn't
these typical use figures vary by year(?)).

Anyone from a teen to a 50-something could be on Implanon for 3 years
and not have sex. If not already sexually active, a plan to carry the
sponge - which can be used all night - and 3 condoms, is probably
superior. When the relationship becomes repeated, the diaphragm is
cheaper and a little safer to use than the sponge, for times when sex
can be better anticipated (like a date with someone you've already had
sex with).

If you use all 3 noninvasive methods - condoms / sponge(or diaphragm) /
& pull-out; you're even safer. The snake eyes calculation would suggest
the risk to be: (I'll just calculate for the riskiest "Parous" Mothers
and sponge, and condoms and pull-out):

In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4.55(pull-out) x 1/100(sex acts double
counted)
= 1 in 2,730 as calculated above for condoms and pull-out,
x 1/4.17(Sponge Typical "Parous" Mothers) x 1/100(sex acts double
counted/factored again)
= 1/1,138,410

In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/25(pull-out perfect) x
1/100(sex acts double factored)
= 1 in 125,000 as calculated above for condoms and pull-out,
x 1/5 (Sponge Perfect "Parous" Mothers) x 1/100(sex acts per year double
factored/counted again)
= 1/62,500,000

A similar calculation for Typical use for the Sponge in Non-Mothers
"Nulliparous," with typical use of condoms and pull-out, results in
= 1/2,274,090,

A similar calculation for Perfect use of Sponge in Non-Mothers
"Nulliparous," with perfect use of condoms and pull-out, results in
= 1/138,875,000.

A similar calculation for Typical use for the Diaphragm, with Typical
use of condoms and pull-out, also results in
= 1/2,274,090,
(same as typical use of sponge in non-mothers "nulliparous," as both
12%, 1 in 8.33 in typical use by themselves)

A similar calculation for Perfect use of Diaphragm with Perfect use of
condoms and pull-out, results in
= 1/208,375,000.


Keeping semen out of orifices is also a big way to reduce the risk of
pregnancy and STI's. However at least two birth control methods must be
used to reduce the risk of pregnancy effectively, and the condom must be
used to reduce the risk of STI's effectively. Not all condoms are alike,
some are thick, some are thin. Some make sex feel even better. I suggest
males try out many of them - in the Fleshlight if they are less sexually
active males, and see which feels best.

Both the sponge and the diaphragm must be left in place for at least six
hours after the last act of intercourse. The sponge can be worn for up
to 30 hours, thus it may be inserted only up to 20 hours or so before
the first act of intercourse (depending on how long the act of
intercourse may last for), and then left in place for six hours more.
The diaphragm may be worn for up to 24 hours. After 2-6 hours after
initially inserting the diaphragm (some sources say 6, some sources say
2, do you own research or ask your provider) you must insert more
spermicide deep into the vagina if you intend to have sex again. Not so
the sponge. Also, there are different types of diaphragms, with
different types of springs in the rim, depending on one's vaginal tone.

Girls, use these birth control methods until you can figure out how to
speak to your ovaries and tell them to naturally not release an egg and
waste energy. And then tell them to release an egg on command. This
should conceivably be possible somehow. And thereby you would be able to
ovulate all your life without menopause - which typically happens
between ages 40 and 60. I don't know. Just speculating.

I also wonder if the diaphragm or sponge might provide limited
additional protection against HIV. For from female to male, the HIV is
mostly on the mucous of the cervix of the female, which is blocked by
the sponge or diaphragm, and from male to female, the sponge or
diaphragm keeps the sperm from getting further into the female and her
uterus, which I just imagine might limitedly decrease the risk of
infection. However I have only read it said that condoms provide
protection against HIV.

To provide protection against HIV, use condoms which make sex 10x safer
according to some studies, and keep semen out of orifices, especially if
you have cuts in mouth, and use condoms and pull-out for anal sex also,
or don't have anal sex at all. The gay men and the intravenous drug
users are much more liable to have it so are much more liable to spread
it. The more one has sex the higher the increase in risk (unlike some
diseases which transmit immediately). One could get a test before
continuing with a repeated partner forever.

And remember the religious commandment to "Love One Another."
Choose friends who are with your lives and protect your lives, not those
who are not with your lives or endanger your lives.

For the purpose of sexual relationships is friendship, love and honor
and happiness.

And the purpose of the law is humanity, and the law is nothing without
humanity:

Matt 22:35
Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and
saying, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your
heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first
and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your
neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and
the Prophets.”

I translate this to mean, love yourself, and love others. i.e. the law
is nothing without humanity. The purpose of the law is humanity, and not
idol worship or idolatry. God is the Creator of the Self, who is born
again anew in each new moment, and no concept of God has any meaning
without a concept of your Self as well. To know and love the Living
Creator of the Self, you must first know and love your Self. You will
not know yourself while condemning others for rightful things!

Rather you should love others as yourself, and choose others who
endeavor to do in kind. People sometimes make mistakes, but choose
others who are good at heart.

Thus, the purpose of the law is humanity, and the law is nothing without
humanity.

Merry Christmas!

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This link contains links, especially two links at the bottom, with other
research into STD's and pregnancy prevention:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/5$20reasons$20to$20use$20condoms/alt.religion.christian.intervarsity/v2EDdb5_q7Q/MJRwdffHCHoJ



The following is merely experimental thinking and a rough draft, I don't
currently have time to address it, so, think for yourselves about all
points positive and negative if you care to. It may provide a starting
point for better thinking of your own:

If you're a real stickler for not wanting to use Condoms or
Hormonal/IUD, the Sponge combined with the Rhythm Method (sex on only
certain days) or the Pull-Out method, is an option only if you're in a
repeated sexual relationship where you can trust your other partner, AND
you can stand to have a baby but would merely prefer not to. The Rhythm
Method and the Pull-Out method combined is an even riskier option.
However using all three methods together is indicated to be nearly 100%
safe with zero risk, and recommended as an option. So another option if
accepting of these risks could be to use the Sponge and the Rhythm
Method, while using the Sponge and the Pull-Out Method on days where the
Rhythm Method indicated you weren't supposed to have sex. So basically
the idea there is you don't have to Pull-Out on days the Rhythm Method
says sex is okay. The Pull-Out and the Rhythm is getting even riskier
on the downside at 1 in 1,897.

Typical Use: Sponge and Pull-Out = 8.33 x 4.55 x 100 = 3,790
Perfect Use: Sponge and Pull-Out = 11.11 x 25 x 100 = 27,775

Typical Sponge and Rhythm = 8.33 x 4.17 x 100 = 3,473
Perfect Sponge and Rhythm*= 11.11 x 20 x 100 = 22,220

Typical Use: Pull-Out and Rhythm = 4.55 x 4.17 x 100 = 1,897
Perfect Use: Pull-Out and Rhythm*= 25 x 20 x 100 = 50,000

All 3 together:
Typical Sponge and Pull-Out and Rhythm = 4.17 x 8.33 x 100 x 4.55 x 100
= 1,580,475
Perfect Sponge and Pull-Out and Rhythm*= 20 x 11.11 x 100 x 25 x 100 = =
55,550,000

(*Worst type of Rhythm Method use for Perfect Use calculations.
Best type of Rhythm Method would be over 10x safer for Perfect Use.
There is no distinction indicated for Typical Use between Rhythm Methods.)

Typical Use: Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 8.33 x 4.55 x 100 = 3,790
Perfect Use: Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 16.67 x 25 x 100 = 41,675

Typical Diaphragm and Rhythm = 8.33 x 4.17 x 100 = 3,473
Perfect Diaphragm and Rhythm*= 16.67 x 20 x 100 = 33,340


Above Sponge calculations are only for Nulliparous childless women.

For Parous Mothers:
Typical Use: Parous Sponge and Pull-Out = 4.17 x 4.55 x 100 = 1,897
Perfect Use: Parous Sponge and Pull-Out = 5 x 25 x 100 = 12,500

Typical Parous Sponge and Rhythm = 4.17 x 4.17 x 100 = 1,739
Perfect Parous Sponge and Rhythm*= 5 x 20 x 100 = 10,000

Remember the risk of dying in a car accident is guesstimated to be about
1 in 10,000. That risk may actually be even less, meaning 1 in 10,000+,
as some may die in car accidents because they are drunk drivers who do
themselves in. Using only one method may be like driving 95 in a 25
Zone. Maybe if there was no other way to get around you would, but
there is another way to get around - and that is by following traffic
laws and using 2 or 3 types of birth control.

All 3 together Parous Sponge (Mothers) :
Typical Rhythm and Sponge and Pull-Out = 4.17 x 4.17 x 100 x 4.55 x 100
= 791,195
Perfect Rhythm* and Sponge and Pull-Out = 20 x 5 x 100 x 25 x 100 = =
25,000,000

All 3 together Diaphragm:
Typical Rhythm and Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 4.17 x 8.33 x 100 x 4.55 x
100 = 1,580,475
Perfect Rhythm* and Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 20 x 16.67 x 100 x 25 x 100
= = 83,350,000

Also you might want to remember you could divide by 100 and multiply by
80 (in the case of the 3 method way 2 times) and see that it could be
even riskier than indicated. But you'd have to use 80 on all the other
risk calculations relatively to compare.

Also, it should be said that, the lack of a risk of pregnancy is not an
argument for someone to have sex with someone else. Mutual desire is a
key here. If someone does not want to have sex, the reasons may include:
1) Legitimate fears of pregnancy: addressed here.
2) Legitimate fears of disease: addressed in links to link above.
3) Not Sexually Attracted: trim body hair with hair clippers, go to to
gym and exercise. Also shower, use mouthwash, wear cologne, dress
better, etc. (shave balls/pussy lips but don't shave against grain
elsewhere between waist and knees, including above genitals, without
testing out a patch for a week, or else be prepared to suffer 2 months
of ingrown hairs for which you may try the product "Tend Skin.")
Scrubbing with a Sisal Loofah will make your skin softer.
4) Religion - what?
5) Waiting until marriage - huh??
6) Virginity - eat pussy/suck dick until they're interested in sex,
and/or find others.
7) Not in ~LOVE~ ...well... Love is the greatest seduction secret. Maybe
you should pursue spirituality. Maybe they need to get to know you
better. Ask them, what they want in a member of the opposite sex.


Actual studies should now be done on the risk of using 2 methods
concurrently, there could, for instance be a correlated factor that
caused both methods to fail concurrently, but probably not, and the
above numbers shouldn't lie.























 




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