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Gotta keep it from The Children
"Tom Enright" wrote in message
m... Considering Communists have long employed the "knock in the middle of the night" I've always felt this quote a bit out of date. what? Because communist governments have killed around 100,000,000 people and have no problem denying simple rights to the people it is somewhat hyprocritcal for them to be viewed as an oppressed group. Most especially when you consider the time in which the quote was made. what, the 60s when he said it? :-D i don't think communists are an oppressed group overall, although they are in some quarters (much like people of any political persuasion). on a day-to-day basis, i don't think about communists at all, actually. and while i think i'm correct in surmising that you are an anti-communist, you are not correct in surmising that i am a communist or am pro-communist. where that came from is anybody's guess - goodness knows i'm not going to go there. are you mccarthy's grandson-in-a-jar or something? What? Are you suggesting that communists have not come for for "Trade Unionists" and others? nooooooooo - i think i'm asking wtf are you fussing about my sig for. just to spell it out for you - it means (& just to reiterate, it has nothing to do with communism): speak out for others, even if you have nothing in common with them, otherwise the powers-that-be will take your silence for consent. if nobody speaks out, eventually there won't *be* anyone to speak out - they will all have been silenced one way or another. quite simple, really. kylie |
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In article , "0tterbot" says...
"Banty" wrote in message ... Do not put all smokers in the same basket. When my DH and I smoked, we always, always, always threw out butts in a bin. It is rubbish and belongs in a bin. as i do & many smokers also do (although at this point i feel like i'm talking to the walls. sigh. people just *want* to believe all smokers smoke all over everyone & throw butts everywhere.) Hello, walls :-) EGADS! ;-) The problem is, *enough* smokers are rude and sloppy about it such that it's a problem. No one's saying all smokers should be deemed rude. yeah, but read this thread, & observe that *enough* anti-smokers are rude & obnoxious to smokers - people making grand statements about what smokers do, & getting frightfully in a flap at the same time (& never noticing the smokers who don't **** them off.) i'm certain it's quite identical to the militantly whatever who simply never *notice* how many of the subject/s of their disapproval are being perfectly polite about it, they only see what they want to see & extrapolate it to a ridiculous degree. but at any rate, pardon my momentary exasperation on that matter. :-) Exasperation allowed :-) IT's just that it only takes a FEW rude smokers to make a HUGE impact. Yes, I know and notice considerate smokers. I do think more smokers are considerate. They've been just about beaten into it ;-) And I do think smokers are somewhat of a whipping boy as to a lot of general social irritation being dumped upon them. So I'll grant you that, too. Western society seems to put a huge spotlight on things, ignore others, then turn the spotlight on other things, and ignore previous focusses, etc. But it's that it's such an especially CLEAR CASE of doing things at others' expense with no benefit to self OR others other than "I do this". And folks are getting increasingly irritated at the general degredation of "I do this 'cause I wanna it's my RIGHT dare ya to say anyting about it" in many areas of life. Given a consensus and an "opening" concerning smoking - yeah, smokers are getting really dumped on. Paint me as a converted previous smoking-tolerant. Still a current smoker-tolerant. But the positive impact of anti-smoking laws have really turned me around. Not to defend them now would be like asking me to advocate repealing anti-dumping laws. But seeing this thread, apparently meant initially as a "look aint-it-awwwful a stupid law is being passed 'For the chiiiilllldren'", but the law is addressing something demonstrably crappy for EVERYBODY, shows a blindness to how gross the thing is, that just BEGS to be pointed out - again - what a stupid awful thing is being defended. I don't rightly care if it was being done for the remote possibility of offending Little Green Men From Mars - it sucks and it has to go! Come back with another "Aint it Awful" about something else "for the chiiiillldren" - the OP really blew it and picked the wrong subject for this one! Cheers, Banty |
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In article , Pockets says...
On 23 Jun 2003 08:49:31 -0700, Banty wrote: Come back with another "Aint it Awful" about something else "for the chiiiillldren" - the OP really blew it and picked the wrong subject for this one! No, I didn't. The law was specifically passed to keep the very *sight* of people smoking away from The Children. It explains why smoking is allowed in parts of the park where The Children are not encouraged to congregate. I guess today's parents are so gutless and uninfluential in their children's lives that such protection is needed. In general, I would agree with you, that a lot of social-legislation crap like certain anti-porn and certain government subsidies of questionable wisdom jammed into legislatures using the emotional strings of "for the children" (I hate guilting in general, anyway), and some Dumb Stuff has been proposed this way. And that parents can darn well raise their kids so that they can deal with the world. If this were an anti-cursing law, I'd be with you. But my understanding is that this was how folks could get the non-smoking area extended. (Kinda like getting Al Capone on tax evasion.) I only wish other consdierations would have been considered suficient. Like my adult eyes and lungs. So - how can I get a playground put in the parts where "children are not encouraged to congregate", because I don't want to "see" the smoking too! ;-) Cheers, Banty |
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Banty wrote in message ...
[snip] I'm really, really down deep disgusted with the whole tobacco thing. It's a really stupid, addictive, expensive (personally and to society), destructive, valueless thing to be defending, to be calling on others' tolerance continually for. As a smoker who finds many common habits of non-smoker's somewhat irritating, I'll state that as long as people like you can find nothing better to whine about, I will be grinding my cigarette butts into the sidewalk, or tossing them wherever I want. I will smoke indoors whenever I feel there's a reasonable chance that I won't get caught. Your complaints, dirty looks, and legislation will be entirely ineffective (as a practical matter) unless every cubic centimetre of the country is put under video surveillance -- and when that happens, you won't be bitching about smokers. The short of it is that I simply don't give a **** about your delicate sensibilities, r.e. smoking. Get a life. Regards, Steve |
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"Banty" wrote in message ... In article , says... The short of it is that I simply don't give a **** about your delicate sensibilities, r.e. smoking. Get a life. I have one. Yours, on the other hand, you've taken upon yourself to endanger. Is that it? Is that the best you can do? A little originality *please*. Of all the tired, worn out phrases to choose from, you have to show yourself to be among the most unoriginal cliche quoting self righteous idiots. Here's a tip, why not get whiney about the quantity of DU dust floating around the Persian Gulf - oh, that's right, it's not *your* kids/grandkids that are going to be born deformed, it's not *you* or *your* family that has to live in an irradiated country is it? Why not get all hot and bothered about the US's total disregard for the Kyoto Protocol, what about India and it's almost total lack of control over toxins being dumped into surface water? All of these things, my dear, are going to kill more kids than smoking in the park. Dan |
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In article , "Dan says...
"Banty" wrote in message ... In article , says... The short of it is that I simply don't give a **** about your delicate sensibilities, r.e. smoking. Get a life. I have one. Yours, on the other hand, you've taken upon yourself to endanger. Is that it? Is that the best you can do? A little originality *please*. Of all the tired, worn out phrases to choose from, you have to show yourself to be among the most unoriginal cliche quoting self righteous idiots. Who's trying for a prize in originality?? *Why* should your respondants be trying to be original?? There's a reason why you're reading the same thing over and over in responses to your posts on this subject. Of course, below (retained below my sig) you dont' have anything even *close* to an answer to this, because there isn't one. It's fact. You only have red herrings like "you're not original", and as to the one you're dragging below, I'm much more concerned about landmines. But it has nothing to do with the subject either, and no one in this thread, if you've noticed, no one even posting from misc.kids, as I am, have brought up the "for the kids" argument save yourself and the OP. It's enough to point out the impact on everybody of a really nasty destuctive addiction. And I don't claim or need originality on that statement. Banty _____________ Here's a tip, why not get whiney about the quantity of DU dust floating around the Persian Gulf - oh, that's right, it's not *your* kids/grandkids that are going to be born deformed, it's not *you* or *your* family that has to live in an irradiated country is it? Why not get all hot and bothered about the US's total disregard for the Kyoto Protocol, what about India and it's almost total lack of control over toxins being dumped into surface water? All of these things, my dear, are going to kill more kids than smoking in the park. Dan |
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Do you raise as big a fuss when people change diapers in public? Do you object when people bring their children into public pools wearing swim diapers (that release fecal matter - a PROVEN health hazard) into public pools? Both are an entitlement issue with parents. How many times are diapers changed in cafes and airplanes? I WILL smoke outside. When I wait for a bus - I go under the shelter with everyone else and I DO light up. If people are there with children I make a point to stand by them. You can take your ill-behaved children anywhere you want. I WILL smoke where ever I am allowed to by law. If they don't like it, they can move - that's the entitlement attitude that applies to me when your children are obnoxious and ill-mannered. There is an law against smoking in an athletic field near my house and I will smoke there until I am fined for it. If I am fined, I will drag the case out in court as long as I can to run up the cost and waste the town's money. I see the litter left behind by breeders from little league and the feces left from the dog owners. These people don't care about the public - why should I? LaTreen Washington "Banty" wrote in message ... In article , says... The short of it is that I simply don't give a **** about your delicate sensibilities, r.e. smoking. Get a life. I have one. Yours, on the other hand, you've taken upon yourself to endanger. Cheers, Banty |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:16:27 +1000, "0tterbot"
wrote: anyway, in australia butts *are* litter & you can be fined for dropping them, same as all litter (althought it operates on a sliding scale.). you get a special special fine for throwing them out your car window. (well, you don't, because the police & litter regulation are rarely acquainted, but it *is* possible.) Actually, there is a number you can call and tell on people who throw them out their window. You receive your ticket in the mail. My SIL got busted once doing that. She has never thrown another butt out of her window. ==Daye== E-mail: brendana AT labyrinth DOT net DOT au moderator of the proposed group misc.kids.family-life |
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On 23 Jun 2003 09:51:05 -0700, Banty
wrote: If this were an anti-cursing law, I'd be with you. I wouldn't. Cursing happens in the real world. Children hear whether you want them to or not. Words like "ass," "hell," and "damn" are even on TV. ==Daye== E-mail: brendana AT labyrinth DOT net DOT au moderator of the proposed group misc.kids.family-life |
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