Unvaccinated children healthier

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:18:34 -0500, "David"
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"David Wright" wrote in message
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Someone once took a big dose of thimerosal in an attempt to commit
suicide. It didn't work.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net Tell us, who, when,
where, verified by whom?

Just a note - chelation did not work to get the mercury out either.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Clinical course of severe poisoning with thiomersal.

* Pfab R,
* Muckter H,
* Roider G,
* Zilker T.

Walther-Straub-Institut fur Pharmakologie und Toxikologie,
Universitat Munchen, Germany.

CASE REPORT: A 44-year-old man ingested 83 mg/kg Thiomersal. He
developed gastritis, renal tubular failure, dermatitis, gingivitis,
delirium, coma, polyneuropathy and respiratory failure. Treatment was
symptomatic plus gastric lavage and the oral chelating agents
dimercaptopropane sulfonate and dimercaptosuccinic acid. The patient
recovered completely. Maximum mercury concentrations were blood 14
mg/L, serum 1.7 mg/L, urine 10.7 mg/L, and cerebrospinal fluid 0.025
mg/L. Mercury concentration in blood declined with two velocities:
first with half-time 2.2 days, then with half-time 40.5 days. The
decline of mercury concentration in blood, urinary mercury excretion,
and renal mercury clearance were not substantially influenced by
chelation therapy.

PMID: 8699562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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On 11 Apr 2007 20:44:48 -0700, "bigvince"
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On Apr 11, 10:26 pm, Peter Bowditch wrote:
"Robert" wrote:

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Then what is the cause for so many diseases almost disappearing since
vaccinating started?

Smallpox vaccination started in 1790's. That vaccination actually kept
smallpox epidemics going.

And they had Diptheria and TB vaccines in 1890's.

If you look at nutrition and infections you will see improved nutrition
played a parthttp://www.whale.to/a/nutrition.html

"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between
1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles
occured before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics."---Dr
Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.

Ancient history. Science advances.

This is the same Archie Kalokerinos who believes that the World Health
Organization and the Save The Children Fund are deliberately killing
African children in a program of genocide. Anyone that mad should not
be trusted to reliably tell the time.
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Personal attacks do not change the fact that the majority of the
reduction in the rates of polio came well before salk and continued at
about the same rate after the vaccien was created. Many dieseases such
as bubonic plague have been virtualy erradicated without vaccines.
Anyone interested should research this issue for them self. Some
usefull info at NVIC just google it

Really. I lived through the height of the epidemic in the US. While
I didn't see a lot of the deaths, I did see people who were severely
affected in my school classes.

At the height of the polio epidemic in 1952, nearly 60,000 cases with
more than 3,000 deaths were reported in the United States alone.
However, with widespread vaccination, wild-type polio, or polio
occurring through natural infection, was eliminated from the United
States by 1979 and the Western hemisphere by 1991.

********************************
The World Health Organization (WHO) is working toward eradicating
polio throughout the world. Significant strides have already been
made. In 1988, 355,000 cases of polio in 125 countries were reported.
By the end of 2004, there were just 1,255 cases.

Six countries (Afghanistan, Egypt, India, Niger, Nigeria, and
Pakistan) still have polio circulating, and the virus could be
introduced to other countries. If the polio virus is imported into a
country where not enough people have been immunized, there's the risk
that it could spread from person to person. That's what has happened
in some countries in Africa and Asia. So until it has been eliminated
worldwide, it's important to continue vaccinating kids against polio.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

In article ,
David wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
. net...
Someone once took a big dose of thimerosal in an attempt to commit
suicide. It didn't work.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net Tell us, who, when,
where, verified by whom?




J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1996;34(4):453-60.
Clinical course of severe poisoning with thiomersal.

* Pfab R,
* Muckter H,
* Roider G,
* Zilker T.

Walther-Straub-Institut fur Pharmakologie und Toxikologie,
Universitat Munchen, Germany.

CASE REPORT: A 44-year-old man ingested 83 mg/kg Thiomersal. He
developed gastritis, renal tubular failure, dermatitis,
gingivitis, delirium, coma, polyneuropathy and respiratory
failure. Treatment was symptomatic plus gastric lavage and the
oral chelating agents dimercaptopropane sulfonate and
dimercaptosuccinic acid. The patient recovered completely. Maximum
mercury concentrations were blood 14 mg/L, serum 1.7 mg/L, urine
10.7 mg/L, and cerebrospinal fluid 0.025 mg/L. Mercury
concentration in blood declined with two velocities: first with
half-time 2.2 days, then with half-time 40.5 days. The decline of
mercury concentration in blood, urinary mercury excretion, and
renal mercury clearance were not substantially influenced by
chelation therapy.

PMID: 8699562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



So up yours, tools.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

"David Wright" wrote in message
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In article ,
David wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
.net...
Someone once took a big dose of thimerosal in an attempt to commit
suicide. It didn't work.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net Tell us, who, when,
where, verified by whom?




J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1996;34(4):453-60.
Clinical course of severe poisoning with thiomersal.

* Pfab R,
* Muckter H,
* Roider G,
* Zilker T.

Walther-Straub-Institut fur Pharmakologie und Toxikologie,
Universitat Munchen, Germany.

CASE REPORT: A 44-year-old man ingested 83 mg/kg Thiomersal. He
developed gastritis, renal tubular failure, dermatitis,
gingivitis, delirium, coma, polyneuropathy and respiratory
failure. Treatment was symptomatic plus gastric lavage and the
oral chelating agents dimercaptopropane sulfonate and
dimercaptosuccinic acid. The patient recovered completely. Maximum
mercury concentrations were blood 14 mg/L, serum 1.7 mg/L, urine
10.7 mg/L, and cerebrospinal fluid 0.025 mg/L. Mercury
concentration in blood declined with two velocities: first with
half-time 2.2 days, then with half-time 40.5 days. The decline of
mercury concentration in blood, urinary mercury excretion, and
renal mercury clearance were not substantially influenced by
chelation therapy.

PMID: 8699562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



So up yours, tools.

So......... without some heavy intervention, he would have died. Not a
very good advertisement for it. Back atcha.

In article ,
David wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
et...
In article ,
David wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
y.net...
Someone once took a big dose of thimerosal in an attempt to commit
suicide. It didn't work.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net Tell us, who, when,
where, verified by whom?

J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1996;34(4):453-60.
Clinical course of severe poisoning with thiomersal.

* Pfab R,
* Muckter H,
* Roider G,
* Zilker T.

Walther-Straub-Institut fur Pharmakologie und Toxikologie,
Universitat Munchen, Germany.

CASE REPORT: A 44-year-old man ingested 83 mg/kg Thiomersal. He
developed gastritis, renal tubular failure, dermatitis,
gingivitis, delirium, coma, polyneuropathy and respiratory
failure. Treatment was symptomatic plus gastric lavage and the
oral chelating agents dimercaptopropane sulfonate and
dimercaptosuccinic acid. The patient recovered completely. Maximum
mercury concentrations were blood 14 mg/L, serum 1.7 mg/L, urine
10.7 mg/L, and cerebrospinal fluid 0.025 mg/L. Mercury
concentration in blood declined with two velocities: first with
half-time 2.2 days, then with half-time 40.5 days. The decline of
mercury concentration in blood, urinary mercury excretion, and
renal mercury clearance were not substantially influenced by
chelation therapy.

PMID: 8699562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

So up yours, tools.

So......... without some heavy intervention, he would have died. Not a
very good advertisement for it. Back atcha.

That's not what it says. It says chelation didn't work. And it says
he recovered completely.

Note also that the amount the patient consumed was 83 mg/kg
Thimerosal. We don't know what he weighed, but let's assume it was 75
kg. That means an intake of 6225 mg, or 6.225 *grams* of thimerosal.

A vaccination contains about 25 *micrograms*.

So why would anyone get worried about that? A patient manages to make
himself pretty sick by consuming 250,000 times as much thimerosal as
is found in a vaccination.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

"David Wright" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
David wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
. net...
In article ,
David wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
gy.net...
Someone once took a big dose of thimerosal in an attempt to commit
suicide. It didn't work.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net Tell us, who,
when,
where, verified by whom?

J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1996;34(4):453-60.
Clinical course of severe poisoning with thiomersal.

* Pfab R,
* Muckter H,
* Roider G,
* Zilker T.

Walther-Straub-Institut fur Pharmakologie und Toxikologie,
Universitat Munchen, Germany.

CASE REPORT: A 44-year-old man ingested 83 mg/kg Thiomersal. He
developed gastritis, renal tubular failure, dermatitis,
gingivitis, delirium, coma, polyneuropathy and respiratory
failure. Treatment was symptomatic plus gastric lavage and the
oral chelating agents dimercaptopropane sulfonate and
dimercaptosuccinic acid. The patient recovered completely. Maximum
mercury concentrations were blood 14 mg/L, serum 1.7 mg/L, urine
10.7 mg/L, and cerebrospinal fluid 0.025 mg/L. Mercury
concentration in blood declined with two velocities: first with
half-time 2.2 days, then with half-time 40.5 days. The decline of
mercury concentration in blood, urinary mercury excretion, and
renal mercury clearance were not substantially influenced by
chelation therapy.

PMID: 8699562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

So up yours, tools.

So......... without some heavy intervention, he would have died. Not a
very good advertisement for it. Back atcha.

That's not what it says. It says chelation didn't work. And it says
he recovered completely.

Note also that the amount the patient consumed was 83 mg/kg
Thimerosal. We don't know what he weighed, but let's assume it was 75
kg. That means an intake of 6225 mg, or 6.225 *grams* of thimerosal.

A vaccination contains about 25 *micrograms*.

So why would anyone get worried about that? A patient manages to make
himself pretty sick by consuming 250,000 times as much thimerosal as
is found in a vaccination.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher



So give it to your kids, and leave other people do what they think best
with their kids.

In article ,
David wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
et...
In article ,
David wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
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In article ,
David wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
igy.net...
Someone once took a big dose of thimerosal in an attempt to commit
suicide. It didn't work.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net Tell us, who,
when,
where, verified by whom?

J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1996;34(4):453-60.
Clinical course of severe poisoning with thiomersal.

* Pfab R,
* Muckter H,
* Roider G,
* Zilker T.

Walther-Straub-Institut fur Pharmakologie und Toxikologie,
Universitat Munchen, Germany.

CASE REPORT: A 44-year-old man ingested 83 mg/kg Thiomersal. He
developed gastritis, renal tubular failure, dermatitis,
gingivitis, delirium, coma, polyneuropathy and respiratory
failure. Treatment was symptomatic plus gastric lavage and the
oral chelating agents dimercaptopropane sulfonate and
dimercaptosuccinic acid. The patient recovered completely. Maximum
mercury concentrations were blood 14 mg/L, serum 1.7 mg/L, urine
10.7 mg/L, and cerebrospinal fluid 0.025 mg/L. Mercury
concentration in blood declined with two velocities: first with
half-time 2.2 days, then with half-time 40.5 days. The decline of
mercury concentration in blood, urinary mercury excretion, and
renal mercury clearance were not substantially influenced by
chelation therapy.

PMID: 8699562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

So up yours, tools.

So......... without some heavy intervention, he would have died. Not a
very good advertisement for it. Back atcha.

That's not what it says. It says chelation didn't work. And it says
he recovered completely.

Note also that the amount the patient consumed was 83 mg/kg
Thimerosal. We don't know what he weighed, but let's assume it was 75
kg. That means an intake of 6225 mg, or 6.225 *grams* of thimerosal.

A vaccination contains about 25 *micrograms*.

So why would anyone get worried about that? A patient manages to make
himself pretty sick by consuming 250,000 times as much thimerosal as
is found in a vaccination.

[quoting corrected because poor old tools is too stupid to manage a
newsreader.]

So give it to your kids, and leave other people do what they think best
with their kids.

Nobody's kids are getting thimerosal these days, tools, you poor
stupid boob. Thanks to hysterics like you, it's been removed.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

In article ,
JOHN wrote:

"Robert" wrote in message
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I don't know of anything that a herb or nutrient has cured.

Herbs cure most things, so do nutrients--vitamin c will cure all infections
for example http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html

Vitamin C will cure all infections. Sure. Let's see it cure tertiary
syphilis.

http://www.whale.to/c/shulze.html

"He was one of my most dramatic recoveries with AIDS, and the reason I say
that is that he was the most far gone. He was in the absolute, end stage --
they have that wing in the hospital where they have given up on you. You can
smoke pot and do anything you want. They had given up on him."-Dr Shulze,
who cured 16 from last stage full-blown AIDS.

"I have had hundreds and hundreds of stroke cases. My methods cured
them---when they were so stiff they were almost dead."---Dick Shulze, N.D.

So *he* says.


"We've had numerous people diagnosed with Alzheimer's who got better; they
just come out of it; they are leading normal lives today. And then, of
course, what the doctors say is it's not Alzheimer's. You run into that
Catch-22 all the time. They say, well, it was probably just a temporary
premature dementia, and they write-off the recovery to preserve their
ignorance."---Dick Shulze, N.D. M.H.

There is no definitive diagnosis of Alzheimers other than autopsy.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

On Apr 12, 2:09 pm, (David Wright) wrote:
In article ,

JOHN wrote:

"Robert" wrote in message
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I don't know of anything that a herb or nutrient has cured.

Herbs cure most things, so do nutrients--vitamin c will cure all infections
for examplehttp://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html
"I have had hundreds and hundreds of stroke cases. My methods cured

"We've had numerous people diagnosed with Alzheimer's who got better; the

There is no definitive diagnosis of Alzheimers other than autopsy.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

So all those scrips for Alzheimer's meds are based on what.? A
hunch? and all those studies showing improvement as a result of
treating a disorder that cannot be definitively diagnosed until the
patient dies are based on bogus science.

In article .com,
bigvince wrote:
On Apr 12, 2:09 pm, (David Wright) wrote:
In article ,

JOHN wrote:

"Robert" wrote in message
...

I don't know of anything that a herb or nutrient has cured.

Herbs cure most things, so do nutrients--vitamin c will cure all infections
for examplehttp://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html
"I have had hundreds and hundreds of stroke cases. My methods cured

"We've had numerous people diagnosed with Alzheimer's who got better; the

There is no definitive diagnosis of Alzheimers other than autopsy.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

So all those scrips for Alzheimer's meds are based on what.? A
hunch?

Pretty much. And those meds don't work very well, either. Marginal
improvement at best.

and all those studies showing improvement as a result of
treating a disorder that cannot be definitively diagnosed until the
patient dies are based on bogus science.

The studies don't show a lot of improvement, I'm afraid. My personal
guess is that there will be some way to prevent AD well before there
is a way to treat it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher