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MEDICARE/MEDICAID FRAUD (was PPAC, vaccinations and chiro bouncer Bob (Bob Dubin, Diplomate, American Board of Chiropractic Censorship)
MEDICARE/MEDICAID FRAUD... Attention CMS Medicare/Medicaid Fraud...
CMS Medicare/Medicaid Fraud email addresses failed: ; So I called 800-447-8477 and was given this CMS Medicare/Medicaid Fraud Hopefully it will work. ACA Chairman James Edwards, DC ), please join me in reporting these massive MD and DC frauds to the Medicare & Medicaid Financial Fraud & Abuse Office of Inspector General... Dr. Brian Zaleski ), please do not help Chiro Bouncer Bob keep concealing the massive MD and DC frauds... Please post this to the censored version of chiro-list )... NOTE #1: I was censored from that list for trying to NON-SPINALLY/chiropractically adjust the massive MD and DC frauds. NOTE #2: I was censored from chirolist at about the time former Calif. Republican Party Chairman Michael Schroeder sued me - after Chiro Bouncer Bob forwarded my email to him. Both "Chiropractic" attorney Schroeder and Chiro Bouncer Bob appear uninterested in stopping the massive OBVIOUS MD and DC frauds discussed below. For a summary of the massive MD crimes against babies... See Dynamic Human Anatomy: Severe vagina tearing and 'the presence of a physician'... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2141 See also: Johns Hopkins breast/vagina/penis power! (How America can INSTANTLY save $200 million per year...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2108 CMS Medicare/Medicaid Fraud: PLEASE stop MDs from closing birth canals and gruesomely manipulating most babies' spines at birth. Thanks, Todd Dr. Gastaldo "Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message nk.net... CHIRO BOUNCER BOB stuff is below... ATTENTION: ; ; Medicare & Medicaid Financial Fraud & Abuse Office of the Inspector General 800-447-8477; 212-264-1692 MD and DC fraud is discussed herein. DIANA MOTSIOPOULOS...PPAC Liaison... Attention DHHS/CMS Meeting of the Practicing Physicians Advisory Council/PPAC...scheduled for September 15, 2003 from 8:30 a.m. until 5 p.m. e.d.t. and September 16, 2003 from 8:30 a.m. until 1 p.m. e.d.t. via Designated Federal Officials (DFO): Diana Motsiopoulos and Keri Boston (Diana, this should be in your email box by start of business on Monday, as you advised.) CMS and PPAC: Sept 15-16 Agenda item - LOWERING MEDICARE COSTS - The MD-dominated federal health bureaucracy NAILED chiropractors a long time ago - but never prosecuted. I think ongoing MD *vaccination* crime (see Exclusion Day fraud, URL below) is the reason for the continued MD-dominated federal health bureaucracy failure to prosecute chiros... More on this below. DCs - MINORITY spinal manipulators - got roped into committing relatively innocous x-ray/subluxation crime. See below. Medicaid and Medicare should be able to save a LOT of money by stopping the *most prolific* spinal manipulators - MD-obstetricians - who are closing birth canals and gruesomely manipulating most babies' spines at birth. See Dynamic Human Anatomy: Severe vagina tearing and 'the presence of a physician'... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2141 See also: Johns Hopkins breast/vagina/penis power! (How America can INSTANTLY save $200 million per year...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2108 JUST THINK When a pregnant woman is admitted to a Medicare hospital as an inpatient - TWO individuals become inpatients... "[Under the new rule, the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA)] does not apply to emergency patients after a hospital has admitted them....Under the law, if any person - not just a Medicare beneficiary - goes to the emergency department of a hospital for treatment, the hospital has to provide a 'medical screening examination'...If the examination shows an emergency medical condition [eg pregnant woman having contractions - TDG], the hospital has to provide treatment to stabilize the patient's condition...Under the new rule, the administration says, '[EMTALA] no longer applies to any individual who is admitted as an inpatient.'" --ROBERT PEAR NY TIMES, Sept. 3, 2003 http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/03/po...ed9a838b12766f CMS and PPAC: Stop government-funded MDs from closing birth canals and the rest of America's birth industry will take the hint... MONUMENTAL SAVINGS ARE THERE...JUST STOP THE MD CRIME (and the DC crime - it was IMPOSED on DCs - see below)... For further MD crime (and further opportunities for monumental Medicaid savings)... See again: Johns Hopkins breast/vagina/penis power! (How America can INSTANTLY save $200 million per year...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2108 END GASTALDO'S WRITTEN COMMENTS FOR THE Sept. 15-16, 2003 PPAC meeting... Thanks Diana. PPAC Member Joe W. Johnson, DC (misidentified as a DO in the Federal Register) might be interested in what follows. Will you forward this whole email to him? TIA. BEFORE I GET TO CHIRO BOUNCER BOB... PREGNANT WOMEN: As alluded to above in my comments to the PPAC, there is a *reason* that the chiro trade unions - ostensible guardians of the spine - are failing to stop MDs from closing birth canals and gruesomely manipulating your babies' spines. **Chiros** are committing crime. Relatively innocuous### crime - but crime just the same. Congress mandated that chiros x-radiate grandmas (and other Medicare patients) before treating them - and chiros went along with the obviously illegal mandatory radiation. In 1997, Congress finally admitted that the mandatory radiation was illegal - but Congress *continued* the mandatory radiation to the year 2000!! The largest chiro trade union - ACA - remained silent! See RADIATION IS *NOT* A TOOL OF MANAGED CARE, my 1997 post to then-uncensored (now censored ) - forwarded below... In the year 2000, the mandatory radiation was made an OPTION - that is - Congress perpetuated a *related* x-ray fraud (see below^^^) - AS THE LARGEST CHIRO TRADE UNION **STILL** REMAINED SILENT! ###As indicated above, the chiro crime is relatively innocuous. I *like* the idea of x-raying all elderly patients to make sure their bones are sound before thrusting into their spines...Not all elderly patients need x-rays - but I like the idea... I *didn't* like chiros being MANDATED to radiate patients. NOR did I like the x-ray fraud that Congress in effect mandated OVER THE OBJECTIONS OF CHIROPRACTORS. ^^^THE RELATED X-RAY FRAUD: Before being paid for treating each Medicare patient - chiros had to take free x-rays - or charge Medicare patients for x-rays (x-rays taken by MDs are paid for) - AND (to get paid) - chiros were mandated to sign a statement - the Medicare bill - saying in effect that they had demonstrated a subluxation on x-ray. This latter game - long ago proven bogus by the MD-dominated federal health bureaucracy - is not being prosecuted even today by the MD-dominated federal health bureaucracy... THERE IS A NASTY **VACCINATION** TWIST TO THE STORY... See Chiros might as well be injecting vaccinations themselves... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2139 NOTE: I am NOT opposed to vaccinations - I am adamantly in FAVOR of vaccinations - as long as parents have a true CHOICE. In this regard, I want chiros to unite and stop organized medicine's obvious Exclusion Day vaccination fraud... See EXCLUSION DAY VACCINATION FRAUD - will Rep. Donald Manzullo (R-Ill) help expose it? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2119 I also want chiros to unite and stop organized medicine's practice of closing birth canals and gruesomely (sometimes fatally) manipulating most babies' spines at birth. See Pregnant chiro patients: BIZARRE chiro legislation - babies be damned... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2135 CHIROS: I would like to see ACA/ICA/WCA/FSCO unity on these issues by the Sept. 16, 2003 ACA House of Delegates meeting in Albuquerque... DHHS/CMS/MEDICARE/MEDICAID/PPAC should stop this bizarre practice... Onward.... CHIRO BOUNCER BOB... AT FIRST, BOB DUBIN, DC **WASN'T** CHIRO BOUNCER BOB - AT LEAST NOT OFFICIALLY... ON JUNE 24, 2003, BOB ANNOUNCED: "THE REINS OF CHIROLIST HAVE BEEN TAKEN BY BRIAN ZALESKI"... From : To : Subject : [CHIROLIST]IMPORTANT EMAIL: The future of Chiro-list Date : Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:50:44 EDT snip The reins of Chirolist have been taken by Brian Zaleski, who administers the CCA and ACA listservs. It will go on in its current format. Thanks to Paul Cronshaw for his vision and tenacity in pioneering the listserv and making it so valuable and integral to our profession, and thanks to Brian for picking up the ball and running with it. Bob Bob Dubin, DC (CCC-LA 76) Petaluma, CA www.calchiro.com/dubin 707 763 3355 SO INITIALLY, **BRIAN ZALESKI** "PICKED UP THE BALL"... THEN, TWO MONTHS LATER... AUGUST 30, 2003 CHANGE OF PLAN... BOB DUBIN, DC TO BECOME CHIRO BOUNCER BOB... First Bob in effect referred to himself as MODERATOR BOB... HARRIET HALL MD forwarded to an apparently private message to her from MODERATOR-TO-BE BOB DUBIN, DC... From : "Harriet Hall" To : Subject : [CHIROLIST]Polio and tonsillectomy data Date : Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:38:07 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Polio and tosillecotmy data Hi Harriet I posted this file to the listserv this morning, and I got a bounce notice for moderator approval...I suppose when I start moderating the list, which should be soon, this will not be an issue, but I thought you might like to see the results of my search over the weekend, as the current moderator may be out for the holiday. Bob snip "MODERATOR" BOB BECOMES "ADMINISTRATOR" BOB... (Administrator is a "nicer" euphemism for censor.) From : To : Subject : [CHIROLIST]New List Administrators Date : Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:24:07 EDT Reply Reply All Forward Delete Put in Folder...InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash CanSaves Printer Friendly Version Greetings, Friends and Colleagues An era is over. Paul Cronshaw has passed the baton to Brian Zaleski ) and me to carry on the administration of the chirolist. We have taken control of the list as of today. You should not notice any substantive changes. If you have a special request for posting a large email or attachment, please contact either me or Brian, and we will take care of it for you. Thank you all in advance for your cooperation and participation in this listserv. Bob Bob Dubin, DC Petaluma, CA www.calchiro.com/dubin 707 763 3355 WHAT?! ***CRONSHAW*** "PASSED THE BATON" TO BOB? WRONG! ZALESKI WOULD HAVE HAD TO DO THIS... SEE ABOVE. BOB LIKELY GOT THE IDEA TO CALL HIMSELF AN "ADMINISTRATOR" FROM CRONSHAW... IN FACT, CRONSHAW WAS A LYING **CENSOR**!!!! See Cronshaw LIED: Chiro-list still censored/moderated... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2000 CHIRO BOUNCER BOB DUBIN'S NEW VERB: "INCEPT": "CHIROLIST WAS INCEPTED..." THE BOUNCING BEGINS (at first, it is to be self-bouncing)... From : To : Subject : [CHIROLIST]New Administrator, new rules, please read Date : Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:04:30 EDT Reply Reply All Forward Delete Put in Folder...InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash CanSaves Printer Friendly Version Friends and Colleagues The Chirolist was incepted to improve communication and dialogue amongst DCs. We have, of late, drifted from the original mission of this forum. As a result, and after much thought and discussion, the new list adminstrators have decided to implement a new set of simple rules. Please note the following: Welcome to CHIROLIST! This email discussion group is a subscription only forum for actively practicing Chiropractors to share information about the many issues affecting the Chiropractic profession today. In order to participate, one must be an actively practicing Doctor of Chiropractic. The mission of the Chirolist is to promote the Chiropractic profession through better communication and dialogue. Please post an introduction and short biography when you subscribe, and always include your name, city in which you practice, and your internet or email address in all postings to the forum. Your phone number is optional. Violations of the protocols will result in temporary or permanent unsubscription at the discretion of the list administrator. File attachments will be allowed, at the discretion of the list adminstrator. Current list members: Please post an introduction and short biography at your earliest convenience, and please make sure you append your name and the city in which you practice to all of your postings to this forum. If you are not a practicing DC, please unsubscribe yourself, as, from now on, as stated above, subscription to this forum will be limited to DCs who are in active practice, as it was originally intended to be. There are several other Chiropractic forums that embrace dialogue with other health professionals, such as, , and we suggest that you seek interaction in those forums for interprofessional relations, if that is your interest. For those of you who are unfamiliar with me, please allow me to introduce myself: I graduated from Cleveland/LA in 76, after a DC saved me from spinal surgery at age 26, and have been in active practice since then in Petaluma, CA. I have been an active member of the California Chiropractic Association, and served as President from 2000 to 2002. I practice from my home, and have for the past 10 years, with my wife and daughter as my support team. I was a radio broadcaster during the 80's and early 90's, and was on the air over 12 hours a week, discussing non drug, non surgical approaches to health care. I ran a weekly forum on AOL, in real time, in a health conference room every Sunday evening from 95 to 2000, aqnd reached lots of people with the Chiropractic message. I also helped to create the CCA and ACA email discussion groups, which are active and which have proved to be the best member benefits those organizations have ever offered. We look forward to a new level of uncluttered communication with you who practice Chiropractic, and we encourage you to bring your colleagues to the forum, and help us grow our intraprofessional relations. Have a great weekend. Bob Bob Dubin, DC www.calchiro.com/dubin 707 763 3355 EARTH TO CHIRO BOUNCER BOB! CHIRO-LIST WAS "INCEPTED" AS AN **UNMODERATED FORUM**... FOR THE LONGEST TIME IT **WAS** AN UNMODERATED FORUM... THEN, RIGHT BEFORE ADMINISTRATOR CRONSHAW **CENSORED** ME - HE TOLD ME: "UNMODERATED MEANS UNCENSORED - ANYTHING GOES" (See Cronshaw LIED, URL just cited...) TECHNICALLY, I WAS CENSORED BY A NON-CHIROPRACTOR - FRANK DZIUBA - WHO POSTED AS HE WISHED - EVEN THOUGH HE WASN'T "AN ACTIVELY PRACTICING DOCTOR OF CHIROPRACTIC." CHIRO BOUNCER BOB - I AM UNLICENSED BY CHOICE - I ACTIVELY PRACTICE THAT HUGE NEGLECTED AREA OF CHIROPRACTIC - EDUCATION - THAT ANYONE MAY PRACTICE - LICENSED, DEGREED OR NOT... ANYONE MAY POINT OUT OBVIOUS MD (AND DC) LIES... BOB'S NEW VERB "INCEPT"... I TRIED TO FIND IT IN ONE ONLINE DICTIONARY... NO LUCK... "The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary." --Merriam Webster online http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary KNUTSON (Kah-NOOT-sun) LODGES PROTEST... From : To : Subject : Comment and bio (was [CHIROLIST]New Administrator, new rules,please read) Date : Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:10:50 EDT Reply Reply All Forward Delete Put in Folder...InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash CanSaves Printer Friendly Version FWIW, I would like to lodge a protest vote against this restrictive clause. If one does not like what Dr Badanes or Hall or Kramer has to say, ignore them. They have opinions and knowledge that could be shared. Besides, I never got to give Dr Hall the Kramer test. Gary A. Knutson, DC Bloomington, IN 48 yrs old, 5' 10" Married 28 yrs Two children (17,19) Graduated Palmer summa cum laude class 480 (winter 1980) In practice 22 years, began traditional office, now a small, one-man, rather laid back office Enjoy tennis, driving my 1980 Triumph TR8 (the blue monster) - do the dragons tail!, F1 and rally racing (speed channel a must have), roller coasters (go to Cedar Point!) and riding horses Have had several articles published, including over a dozen peer reviewed Have made presentations at several conferences, including the International Conference on Spinal Manipulation in Toronto last fall (will be presenting at Sherman Oct 10) Read voraciously on a wide variety of neuromuscular topics (lucky to have a very good library close by) Have a special interest in upper cervical work, the functional short leg, and subluxation mechanisms Enjoy a good argument and a variety of opinions Kah-NOOT ENJOYS A GOOD ARGUMENT? See Ex-medical student crime: MDs manipulate *baby's* spine when mother is suffering pain! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2114 LARRY HOGAN NOTES "THIS RECENT POWER TWIST" From : "Larry H" To : "Chiro List" Subject : [CHIROLIST]New Administrator, new rules, please read Date : Sat, 6 Sep 2003 07:57:09 -0400 Mindy Bailey, RCA You were polite and did not state how arbitrary and unfair this recent power twist is, or how helpful you have been to many dcs seeking billing help. If this change goes down as stated it will be a shame. I have appreciated your input here, Mindy. Larry Hogan DAVID FERGUSON: "I'M NOT ALL FOR THE NEW RULES." From : "David R. Ferguson, D.C." To : Subject : [CHIROLIST]New Administrator, new rules, please read Date : Sat, 06 Sep 2003 07:25:50 -0400 Reply Reply All Forward Delete Put in Folder...InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash CanSaves Printer Friendly Version Unfortunately I'm not all for the new rules. CAs, retired DCs(not quitters like bananas) should be allowed to stay. And if I have to go to the moderated chirosci-list to argue with hidden agenda monsters then so be it but I will be kicked off there in no time for being a chiropractor. This list has been off topic since I got here 7 years ago but now I supposed it will just be dead instead. I'm also not sure that everyone would have been so gung-ho to turn it over if they knew there would be such drastic changes. But anyway, David Ferguson, D.C. Cynthiana, KY Palmer 96', part of 4 generations of chiropractors, married, 2 sons(3yo and 12 weeks). In active practice for 7 years. 32 years of age, born in Davenport, IA. 5'7", 155lbs, hobbies include Golf, Table Tennis, Shooting, QUACKBUSTING. David Ferguson, D.C. Cynthiana, KY PS, if someone could tell me how to subscribe to chirosci-list I would appreciate it. "DRASTIC" CHANGES, DAVE? CHIRO BOUNCER BOB SAID YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANY "SUBSTANTIVE" CHANGES... From : To : , , Subject : [CHIROLIST]New Administrator, new rules, please read Date : Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:52:24 EDT Reply Reply All Forward Delete Put in Folder...InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash CanSaves Printer Friendly Version In a message dated 9/5/2003 8:55:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: You aren't even allowing those of us who are CAs to remain on this list ? I have been on this list for several years and find many articles very worthwhile and have also received help in procuring chiropractors for various persons from Switzerland, Guam and many parts of the US. Mindy Bailey, RCA I too wish Mindy to stay! Bob THOMAS GIORDANO WAS OPPOSED TO THE CENSORSHIP OF THAT "ROYAL PAIN IN THE ASS" GASTALDO? From : "Dr. Thomas V. Giordano" To : , Subject : [CHIROLIST]New Administrator, new rules, please read Date : Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:28:51 +0200 Reply Reply All Forward Delete Put in Folder...InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash CanSaves Printer Friendly Version Hi Bob, Let's see now, the new rules would eliminate students, retired DCs, MDs, DOs, PTs, DDSs, DPMs, Pham. D.s, PH.D.s, chiropractic faculty members who are not in practice nor hold the credential, RNs, CAs, prospective students, researchers and I guess I could continue. All this seems to me to be a thinly veiled attempt to squeeze out Dr. Hall and Dr. Badanes and possibly limit the exposure of a bunch of chiropractic foolishness to the outsiders who may use it as a font of criticism. I've been on this list since its inception and, even though Gastaldo was a royal pain in the ass, I objected to his ejection from the list; an alternative could simply have been to limit the size of his posts. Over the years, I have received a ****load of private hatemail and comments which I would not define as very becoming to professional conduct or demeanor for expressing my opinions in this forum. (BTW, Dr. Deal, you could have called me a "pompous windbag" in this open forum instead of privately; I've been called worse and I can assure you that I wouldn't have responded with a similar ad hominem attack. Windbag, perhaps, but pompous? I doubt it; I was wearing a Mickey Mouse sweatshirt and a Philly's cap when I wrote that post.) With these rules, the list will become smaller and smaller until it represents merely a Dead Chiropractors Society. Limiting points of view does nobody any good and creates a stagnation which results only in a reiteration of unchecked dogma. If you wish to change the rules, this being an "open" forum from its onset, why not call for a vote and use a democratic process and let the majority decide? If the majority wishes to limit itself, then the others which don't agree can vote with their feet and form an interprofessional forum open to practitioners of all fields of health care for a wider range of scientific opinion. In any case, the door won't hit either Harriet or John in the ass on the way out; it'll hit mine because I'll be right behind them. Ciao from Italy, Tom TOM, I *DID* LIMIT THE SIZE OF MY CHIROLIST POSTS - I LIMITED THEM TO THE SIZE *ALL* SUBSCRIBERS WERE LIMITED TO... AND TOM, SORRY TO BE A "ROYAL PAIN IN THE ASS" AGAIN - BUT HAVE YOU TALKED TO "COUSIN LUIGI" YET?? See Adrian Wenban, DC to adjust Spanish MDs? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/1177 ALAN TEBBY ECHOES TOM'S PROTEST... From : "Alan M. Tebby, D.C." To : "Dr. Thomas V. Giordano" CC : , Subject : [CHIROLIST]New Administrator, new rules, please read Date : Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:38:40 -0400 Reply Reply All Forward Delete Put in Folder...InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash CanSaves Printer Friendly Version ![endif]-- Ya, what Tom said, the old pompous windbag. (Written wearing my Keith Code California Superbike Cornering School T-Shirt and a Ferrari cap.) : ) Alan From: Todd Gastaldo ) Subject: Radiation is NOT a tool of managed care This is the only article in this thread View: Original Format Newsgroups: sci.med, misc.health.alternative, misc.kids.pregnancy Date: 1997/12/28 Harp-list: My first post. Medicare is using radiation as a tool of managed care. Some of you may be interested in Judge O'Toole's recent (Nov. 18, 1997) take on HCFA's argument that it's OK for HCFA to deny reimbursement because if patients really need care medical ethics will force doctors to provide care... See below... HCFA Analyst Dorothy Honemann: A few questions below about the use of radiation as a tool of managed care... Also, please take the word "dislocation" out of the HCFA Medicare Handbook description of what chiropractic doctors treat... Please also forward to HHS Secretary Donna Shalala my concerns about MDs routinely jamming sacral tips up to 4 cm into fetal skulls (see cites at end of this post)... And finally, please notify me when you formally or informally "deputize" ACA members (Jerilynn Kaibel, D.C. for example) to take care of my fetus squashing and "dislocation" concerns - and any other concerns I might share with HCFA... Chiro-listers and usenet posters, In a post titled PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL (forwarded below), ACA President Dr. Mike Pedigo says I do not have his permission to tell anyone that he has "considered" suing me for slander... (I think he means libel.) Frankly, when lawsuits are threatened, attempted censorship is occuring - all PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL consideration goes out the window... I publicly spoke out on the usenet when Penn State's Ronald Poland, MD privately threatened me with a lawsuit for pointing out that he and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) should have ended American medicine's most frequent surgical behavior toward males in 1987 - two BILLION dollars worth of infant mutilations ago - back when I pointed out that Dr. Poland had just perpetuated uncorrected American medicine's long-standing phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology. Incredibly, the AAP is *still* using phony "lack of myelin" neurology to promote mass infant mutilation. (This matter was discussed earlier on this thread in sci.med.) To anyone who wishes to threaten Gastaldo with a lawsuit: Do not think that I regard such threats as "PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL." I regard such threats as what they a attempts at censorship... And I very much **resent** attempts at censorship - ESPECIALLY in this case where such censorship is designed to cover-up American Chiropractic Association (ACA) failure to ethically represent the profession... (ACA told the world that it ethically represents the profession in a full page ad in the March 18(?), 1993 Wall Street Journal. Coincidentally, the ACA's full page groveling ad came in response to a Wall Street Journal hit piece in which it was alleged that a DC had, in effect, caused a child's brain to be squashed. MD's do this every day!! With impunity! See URLs at the end of this post...) Contrary to ACA's claim that ACA exists to ethically represent the profession, ACA has **failed** to ethically represent the profession. And ACA is lying to cover-up this fact... More to the point, ACA is **CROWING** about (lying about) about a very nasty 1997 Congressional Budget Office inference, now in effect embedded in statute, that chiropractic is a net cost to Medicare... ACA is **CROWING** about American seniors being forced for two more years to receive federally-mandated doses of ionizing radiation prior to their chiropractic care... ACA should be vigorously protesting - right along with Gastaldo - the two year extension of what AMA reportedly knew in 1972 to be mandatory radiation sabotage... ACA should be calling for - right along with Gastaldo - an open evaluation of CBO's assumptions that chiropractic is a net cost to Medicare - as this was the ostensible "reason" for the two year extension of the mandatory radiation... I want to publicly ask ACA President Pedigo and ACA Delegate Dr. James Edwards again, **WHO** was on that Congressional Conference Committee?? Names and phone numbers please. I have been asking over and over for this because I think the Conference Committee members likely have the CBO assumptions behind the CBO's nasty inference... Speaking of Dr. Edwards, I will now discuss his ongoing claim that there are "complicated" "budgetary" "reasons" to mandate the radiation of grandmas for two more years... I will return below to Dr. Pedigo's threatened lawsuit... -----Original Message----- From: James D. Edwards, D.C. To: Todd Gastaldo ; Chiro-list Cc: Mike Pedigo, D.C. ; Gary Cuneo Date: Sunday, December 28, 1997 7:29 AM Subject: Gastaldo, do not call me a Liar! Dr Gastaldo: Sir, it is totally unacceptable for you to call those that disagree with you "liars." You have done that to Drs. Pedigo, Kaibel, Cuneo and others. In your recent post you said I was "lying through my teeth." My reputation and credibility are of paramount importance to me and I will not tolerate you telling me I am "lying." DO THAT NO MORE! Todd D. Gastaldo, D.C. remarks: Here is the definition of "to lie"... Look at meaning #2... To lie means to.... 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression (see full dictionary definitions below) I have lied. Dr. Edwards has lied. I suspect we all have lied - especially as in meaning #2. Dr. Edwards, though, has created a KEY false, misleading impression with an untrue statement... He has said that Congress extended mandatory radiation of grandmas for two more years for "complicated" "budgetary" "reasons"... Yet, to date, Dr. Edwards has produced no such "complicated" "budgetary" "reasons" - most likely because there *ARE* no such "complicated" "budgetary" "reasons"... NONE. More importantly, there were NEVER WERE any reasons - "complicated" "budgetary" or otherwise - for Congress to have mandated radiation of American citizens prior to chiropractic care back in 1972... AMA Attorney Doyl Taylor got it right in 1972 when he reportedly told AMA Member Stephen Barrett, MD that the mandatory radiation was intended as "sabotage" of chiropractic care under Medicare. [Magner, Barrett (ghost). Chiropractic: The Victim's Perspective. Amherst, NY: Prometheus 1995:36] And Congressman Phil Crane got it right on the floor of Congress when he said that he finds it "TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE that we, as responsible Members of Congress, would ***ALLOW THE CONTINUANCE*** of an artificial statutory requirement that results in the continued unnecessary x ray exposure of Medicare patients..." (emphasis added) So why *DID* ACA allow Congress to "allow the continuance" of mandatory radiation of grandmas to the year 2000?? ACA President Dr. Mike Pedigo in effect says ACA did it for **POLITICAL** reasons...and with this I fully agree...but when it comes to mandating radiation of American citizens, **POLITICAL** reasons EVAPORATE... When ACA's "supporter in Congress" said in effect that Congress wanted mandatory radiation forever - and that if DCs were lucky Americans MIGHT be relieved of mandatory radiation prior to their chiropractic care - IN TWO YEARS - **I** say sirens should have gone off at ACA and America should have been INSTANTLY and FULLY informed of this bizarre Congressional behavior... ACA should have immediately polled **all** Congressmen and Congresswomen to find out which ones wanted mandatory radiation FOREVER (or even for "just" two more years)... If ACA determined through its poll of Congress that ACA's "supporter in Congress" was right - the chiropractic profession and the American people should have been INSTANTLY informed of this bizarre Congressional penchant for radiation... But I personally don't think the problem was Congress. I think the problem was ACA silence on the issue - ACA failure to point out to Congressmen that AMA Member Stephen Barrett, MD admitted in 1995 that AMA Attorney Doyl Taylor told him in 1972 that the radiation was intended as "sabotage" of chiropractic care under Medicare. [Magner, Barrett (ghost). Chiropractic: The Victim's Perspective. Amherst, NY: Prometheus 1995:36] Congressman Crane perhaps said it best (see above). I say there is NO way Congressman Crane's phrase "totally unacceptable" can be construed to mean that Congress should mandate radiation of Americans for two more years to keep Americans from demanding chiropractic care... Here is a fuller excerpt of the Honorable Mr. Crane's March 4, 1997 remarks: [Tuesday, March 4, 1997, Mr. Crane] "Mr. Speaker, today I am introducing legislation repealing a defect in current Medicare law which often causes beneficiaries seeking chiropractic treatment under the Medicare Program to be subjected to unnecessary x rays exposure...According to the American Chiropractic Association [ACA] and ACA College of Radiology, there is no medical justification for a blanket requirement that all beneficiaries seeking chiropractic care under Medicare must first undergo a diagnostic x ray...I for one, find it TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE THAT WE, AS RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, WOULD ***ALLOW THE CONTINUANCE*** OF AN ARTIFICIAL STATUTORY REQUIREMENT that results in the continued unnecessary x ray exposure of Medicare patients. I am confident, that any of my colleagues that examine this issue will conclude, as have I, that requiring an x ray as a prerequisite to reimbursement is bad public policy for which there is no real justification. This is not just my opinion, but it is also the opinion of senior officials in the Health Care Financing Administration [HCFA] and the Department of Health and Human Services [HHS] who have studied this issue in detail....Chiropractic...is a nonsurgical and nondrug form of health care which often substitutes for more expensive forms of care, including surgery...I am confident this proposal, which is first and foremost a matter of public health and safety, will enjoy bipartisan support in this Congress.... [End excerpt from Cong. Crane's March 4, 1997 remarks, emphasis added]" (My thanks to the chiro-lister who orginally posted these Congressional remarks. I would state his name, but there is talk of a lawsuit on the street.) Mr Crane said this is "first and foremost a matter of public health and safety..." I agree. Now, pardon my French, but where the f*** are the state licensing boards?? Where is the Federation of Chiropractic Licensing Boards (FCLB)?? Did I not write to them and copy them enough?? Something is very wrong when a Congressman says its a matter of "public health and safety" - and those whose job it is to look out for "public health and safety" - sit on their hands.... Radiation is **NOT** a tool of managed care... Never was... ACA is actually **CROWING** about Congress extending Medicare's use of radiation as a tool of managed care - as a tool to keep Americans from chiropractic care they are demanding... ACA is actually **CROWING** about the Congression Budget Office inference that chiropractic is a net cost to Medicare... Who was on the Conference Committee, ACA Delegate Edwards?? Again, names and phone numbers, please. Use your vaunted knowledge of the legislative process - you know, the vaunted knowledge that had you saying that the Conference Committee report might not even exist - even though it was mentioned in the ACA's press release on the debacle... I, for one, want to find CBO's report and look at CBO's assumptions... If CBO made errroneous ("outrageous") assumptions, I want to point them out... I want *ACA* to point them out... It's the right thing to do... It's the ETHICAL thing to do... Instead, ACA's President wants to keep up the lying and threaten me into silence with a lawsuit - though not apparently on behalf of ACA... Here, now, is ACA President Dr. Pedigo's "private and confidential" lawsuit threat... My comments are interspersed... -----Original Message----- From: MikePedigo To: Todd Gastaldo Cc: Date: Saturday, December 27, 1997 11:03 PM Subject: Private & Confidential 12-27-97 08:38 PM ---------------------------- Dr. Gastaldo, This e-mail is PRIVATE & CONFIDENTIAL. You do not have my permission to use it in anyway share or form. It is a personal communication from me as a person and not as President of ACA. Dr. Pedigo, I don't care if yours is a personal communication from the President of the United States... Threaten me with a lawsuit and "private and confidential" goes out the window... I will not respond to you on ChiroList and have serious doubts about responding to you period. I debated long and hard about whether or not I should even write you personally. I finally decides to let you know why I stopped responding to you on ChiroList. This is being posted to chiro-list... Some chiro-listers will be interested in why you stopped responding on chiro-list. Your explanations don't explain. Let me state up front that I have considered suing you for slander. I think you mean libel. My understanding is that if it is in writing, it is libel... I have worked very hard to advance this profession for many years. Me too. I have worked hard and am proud of my ethics and integrity. Me too. You are the only person that I can recall that has called me a "liar" and I have not lied about any of the things you call a lie. To lie is to: 1) to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive; or 2)to create a false or misleading impression... You are definitely creating a false or misleading impression... You are lying... Those changes are personal attacks on my ethics and integrity and they are made in a public forum that is world-wide - e-mail. Your unfounded attacks are damaging to my good name. I am putting you on notice to STOP IT NOW! I am putting you on notice that if you keep lying, I will keep pointing it out. You have twisted and distorted much of what I have written in response to you. Your opinion. I stand by what I ostensibly "twisted and distorted." When I pointed out specific examples of where you called me a liar your response was not to admit you were wrong or apologize. You just changed the subject, and kept right on spewing "garbage." When it is demonstrated that I am wrong - or when I perceive myself to have been wrong, I am quick to apologize - openly... You have not demonstrated that I am wrong - nor do I perceive that I am wrong in anything I have said about you... You NOW have NO credibility with me. So I gathered. I do not trust you, and You can trust that I will not be cowed into silence by your threat of a lawsuit... from what I have seen of your posting you are an embarassement to the profession. I say that your failure - as ACA President - to state outright - whenever the CBO sham is mentioned - that you think it "outrageous" - is an embarrassment... I say that your failure - as ACA President - to call for an immediate examination of the "outrageous" CBO sham - is an embarrassment... If there is ANY evidence that chiropractic is a net cost to Medicare, we should all know about it. Anything else is unethical... Similarly, if there is evidence that chiropractic is **NOT** a net cost to Medicare, we should all know about that, too... Bottom line, radiation is NOT a legitimate tool of managed care - I don't care how long it has been going on - and I don't care how much you want to politically mollycoddle Congressmen and Congresswomen and HCFA bureaucrats who (you say) would get "ticked off" ...(See your remarks below.) You appear to have questionable ethics and integrity or you would not make such personal, false charges. I don't even know you personally. I do, however, know what you have been saying publicly... Lies are unethical... Two more years of mandatory radiation prior to chiropractic care is unethical... Find me a Congressman or Congresswoman who disagrees. Find me JUST ONE. It was unethical for ACA to go along with the gag when it was first put forth by ACA's "supporter in Congress," who, you say, told ACA that all of Congress wanted mandatory radiation forever - and that it would be hard to even limit Congress to two more years of mandatory radiation. ACA should have tested the hypothesis put forth by ACA's "supporter" - and then shouted bloody murder if it was true - identifying publicly every Congressman and Congresswoman who thinks mandatory radiation is fine... The extension got passed because of ACA silence - and likely because Congressmen and Congresswomen don't read the minutiae of every bill that comes before them... Quite simply, it was unethical for ACA *not* to make noise about this - and I sincerely believe that ACA was **INTENTIONALLY** silent about this - perhaps to pay a political debt to AMA - or to curry favor with AMA for party shoes and an invitation for the Dr. Jerilynn Kaibel to appear and do curtsies at the AMA-owned CPT coding party... ACA caused the profession to lose a golden opportunity to galvanize itself in unity around the FACT that: Radiation is NOT a legitimate tool of managed care... I do not understand why you do what you do. It maybe the only way you feel you can get "attention" or feel "powerful" (in your mind) is to tear down others by calling them names. When a name is suitable, I use it. Show me where I have used a name that wasn't suitable... Similarly, when others find that a name is suitable, they use it. Witness Dr. Pedicle calling me a DEEKHEAD (which I took to mean penis head) - and your trusty ACA sidekick Dr. Edwards echoing the sentiment... I took it in stride... It was funny... Later, you came on chiro-list and said I had called you a liar. I don't think I ever called you a liar - but I had pointed out (repeatedly) where you had lied. What ever your reasons are it comes across as unprofessional and has caused me to have no desire to respond to you in public. I believe you have no desire to respond in public because you know that your only strategy is stonewalling... For example, I noted that ACA Executive Director Garrett Cuneo had said that AMA "specifically inserted" the x-ray mandate intending it as a barrier to chiropractic care... I questioned this (hoping, however, that there was evidence)... You replied that you had evidence from Wilk for this - and asked me to post your reply to chiro-list... I pointed out in reply that you had NOT supplied any such evidence from Wilk that *AMA* was behind the x-ray mandate - and you insisted that you HAD!! TWICE!! (You finally said that you were only responding in general and that you weren't trying to back up ACA Executive Director Cuneo's accusation that the *AMA* did it. But this, too, was a lie. A face-saving device.) Dr. Pedigo, I would LOVE to know that Wilk v. AMA evidence exists demonstrating that *AMA* lobbied to have the x-ray mandate inserted!! That would put AMA on the line for BILLIONS (?) in back x-ray reimbursement - PLUS any unnecessary radiation claims that seniors care to file... Why are you not taking ACA Executive Director Cuneo to task for publicly lying and besmirching the good reputation of the AMA?? The purpose of this e-mail is to: 1. Demand that you stop attacking my intergrity in public. 2. To let you know why I choose not respond to you in public. Well that ever change? I don't know, but for now I will not. The purpose of this response is to state that when you threaten a lawsuit, PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL goes out the window... Note that if you choose to sue, you will be responding to me in public, in court... Frankly, I can think of better things to do with the money (end fetal skull squashing for example; see end of post); but hey, you're the one making the threat - to cover up your lies... Dr. Pedigo, you should not be trying to censor me now - and ACA should not have remained silent when ACA's "supporter" said in effect that Congress wanted mandatory radiation FOREVER... You keep asking, demanding, suggesting etc. that ACA do this or that. Dr. Pedigo, I have before me a survey that came with the Dec. 15, 1997 Dynamic Chiropractic... It was apparently sent to 50,000 DCs, most of them not ACA members... The ACA survey asks in tall, bold letters: "What's Important to You?" The ACA survey asks further: "How should the ACA prioritize and focus its efforts on behalf of the profession? How well is the ACA communicating its initiatives and accomplishments to you? Please take a moment to answer the following questions and help the ACA to serve the profession and its members better." Dr. Pedigo, you forgot to print on the survey, "Gastaldo will be threatened with a lawsuit if he answers these questions candidly in public and if he disagrees with any ACA stonewalling he receives in response." Well as far as I am concerned, since you are not a member of ACA, ACA has no obligation to do anything for you. Your continuing unmerited attacks on ACA certainly does not engender any good will. Dr. Pedigo, I hereby DEMAND that you stop promoting ACA as representing the whole chiropractic profession. I DEMAND further that you make it clear in all public ACA propaganda that ACA represents only 30% of the profession at best...and that ACA's "surveys" are thinly veiled trolls for membership dollars... When ACA sends out surveys like the one noted above, ACA is indeed obligating itself to at least consider answers from non-ACA members... Your posting to HCFA analyst Dorothy Honemann is disgraceful... There you go again. Show me WHY my posting to Dorothy Honemann is disgraceful... Why are *you* not taking HCFA analyst Honemann to task for delegating responsibility for replying to Gastaldo to ACA member Jerilynn Kaibel, DC?? Why are you failing to take ACA member Dr. Kaibel to task for failing to inform Gastaldo that she had accepted responsibility to reply to my concerns?? Why are you not taking ACA member Dr. Kaibel to task for failing to indicate to Ms. Honemann that "dislocation" is NOT an acceptable (or "helpful") synonym for subluxation... Dr Pedigo, do **YOU** think "dislocation" is OK as a synonym for subluxation?? HCFA Analyst Honemann told me that NO other DCs had expressed any concern - not even Dr. Kaibel when she replied to Ms. Honemann's query... [Gastaldo's e-mails to HCFA Analyst Honemann have]...the potential of harming this profession. If she thought you were representative of our profession we could "kiss" any future help from her and others she talk's to goodby! Certain key ACA members are harming the profession. Again, Ms. Honemann told me that ACA's Jerilynn Kaibel, D.C. did not object - and that no one else objected - to the word "dislocation." Ms. Honemann also apparently believes that the mandatory radiation should end NOW and not in the year 2000... Again quoting Congressman Crane (note his reference to HCFA and HHS): I for one, find it TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE THAT WE, AS RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, WOULD ***ALLOW THE CONTINUANCE*** OF AN ARTIFICIAL STATUTORY REQUIREMENT that results in the continued unnecessary x ray exposure of Medicare patients. I am confident, that any of my colleagues that examine this issue will conclude, as have I, that requiring an x ray as a prerequisite to reimbursement is bad public policy for which there is no real justification. This is not just my opinion, but it is also the opinion of senior officials in the Health Care Financing Administration [HCFA] and the Department of Health and Human Services [HHS] who have studied this issue in detail... (emphasis added) Does HCFA (Ms. Honemann, for example) now think that mandatory radiation is OK and that it should be continued for two years?? By copy of this e-mail, I will ask HCFA Analyst Honemann... Ms. Honemann, do you/HCFA think that mandatory radiation is OK for two more years?? Do you think it was OK for 25 years before this?? Or did Congressman Crane misstate HCFA's sentiments?? Do you think it was OK for Congress and HCFA to regulatorily deprive seniors of the Congressionally estimated two BILLION dollars worth of chiropractic care they reportedly have been demanding?? Supposedly, the radiation mandate is keeping seniors from using chiropractic care; and supposedly, chiropractic care is a net cost to Medicare. Does HCFA have CBO's budget assumptions? Frankly, I think our straight chiropractic adjustments of American medicine's fetal skull squashing subluxation alone would save two billion dollars.. Won't you foward my info about fetal skull squashing to HCFA's Barbara Wynn and HHS Secretary Shalala?? HCFA Analyst Honemann, did you read about what Judge O'Toole said about the way HCFA plays ball?? READ THIS -------- "...The defendants' [HCFA's] argument that no patient who truly requires ES therapy will be deprived of such treatment because the ethical code of medical professionals requires them to provide indicated care regardless of ability to pay is entirely unpersuasive. Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, the defendants could declare any procedure "not covered" and then maintain that there is no "irreparable injury" because medical professionals must render such free care as is necessary in any event. Both good sense and precedent, happily congruent, compel the rejection of that proposition. The defendants' attempt to distinguish termination of medical benefits from a determination not to reimburse the cost of a particular procedure is likewise unpersuasive. There is no practical difference in predicament between a patient who is denied reimbursement for all possible treatments and one who is denied reimbursement only for the specific treatment she needs. In both cases, the person suffers the same irreparable harm. See Sharp, 700 F.2d at 753. The record on the present motion demonstrates simply that without a preliminary injunction the individual plaintiffs will be forced to forego appropriate treatment for their wounds with potentially serious consequences. That is a sufficient showing of irreparable injury to support the issuance of a preliminary injunction...." http://www.apta.org/public_relations/HCFAWIN.html Dr. Pedigo writes further: Only God know's how many other public officals have received similar bizarre posting from you. Well, God might be a good source, but if you ever go to find out, anyone with a history of chiro-list posts could determine this exactly... You should go back and read your posting from the perspective of a lay person. You mean I should read lying down?? : ) It is really bizarre. You go from adjusting subluxated thoughts, to DD Palmer, Professor Crelin, Congressman Crane, radiation, attacks on ACA and me, fetal skull squashing, to mass infant mutilation. I am embarassed by such postings. Especially to goverment officals. Talk about making our profession look wierd! When government officials admit that mandatory radiation for 25 years is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE and then vote two more years of mandatory radiation, **WHO** is being weird?? When ACA **CROWS** about this weird Congressional behavior, **WHO** is being weird?? (ACA would fault me for quoting Congressman Crane's sentiment that this is weird??!!!) When MDs routinely squash fetal skulls and routinely mutilate infants for millions and billons in profit, **WHO** is being weird?? (See URLs at end of this post.) Frankly, I will never apologize for quoting our esteemed Founder. To suggest that I should is truly a subluxated thought... : ) Oh, and Professor Crelin? I think his "proof" that "the" chiropractic theory ("pinched nerves") was false [American Scientist 1973] - was part of the AMA plan - right along with the x-ray mandate "sabotage" - to screw chiropractic. I can't prove any of this (at least I openly admit this Dr. Pedigo) - which is why AMA is still out their swimming around... I telephoned Professor Crelin awhile back and he returned my call... He verified that Magner and Barrett had misrepresented him in Chiropractic: The Victim's Perspective [1995]... He sent me more of his palaver and I wrote about it on chiro-list. I will find this post if anyone is interested. I seem to recall that Dr. Edwards liked it enough to comment publicly... Presently you have been attacking me with the following: In a message dated 97-12-18 19:49:11 EST, you write: ACA President Dr. Pedigo said that the two year extension of the mandatory radiation was caused by an "outrageous" Congressional Budget Office budget estimate, to wit, removing the x-ray mandate would create two BILLION dollars in "induced demand" for chiropractic services... Oddly, ACA President Dr. Pedigo simultaneously boasts to the chiropractic profession that this "outrageous" CBO budget lie is a bona fide Congressionally estimated two BILLION dollar *raise* for DCs!! [Dynamic Chiropractic (Dec15)1997] ACA President Dr. Pedigo can't have it both ways. As I have stated before I will not respond to you publicly, but I will respond privately to you on your above charges and see if you can get it (which doubt). I have said before and I stand by my belief that the CBO's $2 billion cost estimate was outrageous. I am glad you are standing by this... I wish you would call for an examination of CBOs work. If DCs are truly a net cost to Medicare, we should know about it. If not, we should demand a retraction from CBO... I personally think that medical costs got out of hand because AMA was successful in restraining the chiropractic profession... The homebirth issue alone is a big breadwinner for organized medicine. America is now addicted to hospitals - when all along MD-obstetricians never had any evidence for their "homebirth is child abuse" libel. See Dec. 28, 1997 UPDATE below... But it is a FACT - get it - it's a fact that the CBO said it would cost $2 billion. We agree here. It is a FACT that Congress approved the budget based on the $2 billion dollar cost factor. My Congresswoman (Elizabeth Furse) wrote me after the vote and said that the mandatory radiation was to end Jan. 1, 199*8*... I wonder if any other Congresspersons also thought they were voting to ABOLISH (see Cong. Crane's remarks) and not EXTEND mandatory radiation for two years... The FACT they did so is amazing This is **MY** point... and it is because of ACA's efforts that it was approved. Well, here we disagree. I think it was because of ACA's SILENCE...but I imagine that took some effort. Had it not been for ACA's efforts there would be no end to the mandate in two years. It would go on and on and on - get it! This is a crock of ****, excuse my French. Read Congressman Crane's remarks and consult with my Congresswoman (Furse). **NO** Congressman or Congresswoman in his or her right mind would vote to EXTEND for two years a 25-year-old form of mandatory radiation sabotage... That mandate has been in place for over 20 years, so to Congress another 2 yrs is no big deal. ***WRONG*** Let's start polling our Congresspersons. Let's ask them explicitly - as ACA *should* have done when ACA's "supporter in Congress" indicated that Congress wanted mandatory radiation FOREVER... Furthermore, were we to now go back and attempt to get Congress to lift the mandate imediately, as you keep crrying for, all we would succeed in doing is ticking off those in Congress that helped us, and they would be much less likely to help us in the future. Here is the rub. I want Congress to worry about ticking *me* off - and you blather on about how *I* should worry about ticking *Congress* off... I think you and ACA have things ass-backwards... Radiation is **NOT** a tool of managed care - and any Congressman or Congresswoman who disagrees - and gets "ticked off" - deserves to be booted from office - ex post hasto... It is *ACA* (not just Gastaldo) who should be ethically representing the profession on this point... For that matter, the *AMA* should be helping ACA with this one... But I think the problem is, as Vance Packard noted in Hidden Persuaders, when MDs complain about QUACKS doing x-rays, people start questioning even *MD* use of x-ray... It is not beyond the pale that AMA and ACA are working together on this one... (I *guess* that would be a positive development - like AMA inviting Dr. Kaibel over to the AMA-owned coding party...) You seem to forget that this is the FIRST national legisation that is supportive of our profession in over 20 yrs.! It was not easy. You seem to think that if we would only threaten to "expose" them to the public for the continued mandate that they would change the law. Get real! Again, the rub. See above. I think it is Dr. Pedigo and the leadership of ACA who need to "get real"... Remember back in 1986 when ACA General Counsel Harry Rosenfeld told DCs that they needed to "join the real world" and support inoculation? Remember in 1993 when ACA took out a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal to do some vaccination cheerleading? I am embarrassed for you, Dr. Pedigo... I think *you* are hurting the profession with this emphasis on "playing politics" and with your utter failure to speak up when ACA's "supporter in Congress" said Congress was in favor of mandatory radiation FOREVER... It's like Dr. Edwards claiming that the International Chiropractors' Association has had no political effect because the federal election commission records no contributions from ICA... ACA is playing **politics** now - and forgetting chiropractic... Maybe this is necessary. Maybe not. But I call 'em like I see 'em... I know ACA is not obligated, but how odd that ACA isn't saying anything about fetal skull squashing (see below for references)... And how odd that ACA isn't saying anything about Western culture robbing its children of a fundamental human range of motion - as Medicare pays for ejection chairs for our elderly and then pays billions per MONTH when seniors finally lose all mobility... Meanwhile MOST elderly adults on the planet are able to stand up from a squat and walk away - no ejection chair or nursing home necessary... Why NOT compress morbidity as Prof. JF Fries, MD of Stanford Medical School recommends?? Why not at least let Americans start thinking about "chairless schools" - like the 33 in Curitiba Brazil that were begun when obstetrician Moyses Pacionik, MD read my 1988 article "Social Squatting"? See URLs below... Only time will tell if it is a $2 billion raise for our profession or not, but Congress approved the budget based on it, and that is a FACT. Then say **THIS** in your press release - and say that ACA is studying CBO's report to find out the ASSUMPTIONS behind CBO's two billion dollar inference that chiropractic is a net cost to Medicare... There is nothing inconsistent with what I have said. Dr. Pedigo, inconsistencies *abound* in what you have said... 12/27/97 you wrote: ACA President Dr. Mike Pedigo finally admitted on chiro-list that the CBO estimate was an "outrageous" lie... ("Outrageous" was Dr. Pedigo's word. I add the word "lie" - because CBO inferred with its estimate that chiropractic was a net cost to Medicare - a nasty inference indeed - which ACA is still uncritically *CROWING* about it on its web page.) Instead of publicly calling for IMMEDIATELY ending the mandatory radiation of grandmas - instead of at least speaking out to the American public when ACA's "supporter in Congress" said in effect that Congress wanted the radiation FOREVER - ACA remained silent and let CBO get away with the lie... You are still saying Congress wants the radiation FOREVER, when it is clear that is not true or they would not have put a 2 yr. deadline on it. You knucklehead, Dr. Pedigo, YES they extended the radiation for two years, but you yourself said - IN THIS POST (I quote from above): Had it not been for ACA's efforts there would be no end to the mandate in two years. It would go on and on and on - get it! Dr. Pedigo, you yourself claim that Congress WANTED radiation forever and only SETTLED for two more years - get it?? You claim that DCs risk "ticking off" Congressmen by asking them to end the mandatory radiation NOW - which is what my Congresswoman thought was happening... I think Congress voted as it did - because ACA **INTENTIONALLY** failed to speak up and tell them WHAT they were voting for: A two year EXTENSION of Medicare's 25 year TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE use of radiation as tool of managed care... ACA sat down on the job - intentionally in my view... It is conceivable that if Americans take a look at CBO's assumptions, they will discover (as I suspect and as ACA suspects) that chiropractic is a net SAVINGS to Medicare... God only knows who ACA has been talking to... Perhaps ACA knows that CBO is right about chiropractic being a net cost to Medicare?? Well if it's true, that, too, should be openly stated... Studies show that patients are more satisfied with chiro care... Perhaps it's worth more?? Perish the thought... I am again reminded of ACA in effect telling Dr. Chester Wilk to go to hell - because ACA was holding all-important behind-the-scenes talks with AMA... Dr. Wilk says that his discussions with ACA General Counsel Harry Rosenfeld were almost "dogfights." [See Wilk. Medicine, Monopolies and Malice. Garden City Park, NY: Avery 1996] ACA General Counsel Rosenfeld was the guy who told DCs publicly in a 1986 issue of Journal of ACA that they'd better join the "real world" and stop opposing inoculation... (which itself was libel because most DCs oppose MANDATORY inoculation). Most DCs have no problem with vaccination - only with MANDATORY vaccination. If they are like me, they wonder about Congress having to DEMAND that MDs report adverse vaccine reactions [Smith Pediatrics 1988] - inspite of the fact that such reports are "essential" for determining safety. [Kessler JAMA 1993] (Former FDA Kessler pointed out in this latter 1993 article that MDs fail to report up to 99% of serious adverse events following administration of medications - and the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets compare risks of vaccination (unknown) to risks of medications (unknown). The courts think parents are being "warned" and note that vaccinations are "unavoidably unsafe" - yet the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets do not use the word "warning" and do not state that vaccines are "unavoidably unsafe.") What little behind-the-scenes meetings has ACA General Counsel George McAndrews been having?? Why do you have such a problem telling the truth? I have **NO** problem telling the truth. I am not the one sending PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL e-mails threatening a lawsuit - in an attempt to censor any further public discussion... **YOU**, Dr. Pedigo, are the one afraid of the truth...afraid of open discussions... Furthermore, as I have told you before ACA was not silent on these issues, but you continue to falsely report ACA's actions. ACA ***WAS*** silent on these issues... I say again, when ACA's "supporter in Congress" indicated that Congress wanted mandatory radiation FOREVER (you just repeated this!!) - ACA should have put the issue to individual Congressmen and Congresswomen - and if true - ACA should have screamed bloody murder... Radiation was not a legitimate tool of managed care 25 years ago - and it is not a legitimate tool of managed care now... Here now are dictionary definitions for "lie" and "liar"... With a few comments to follow...including my Dec. 28, 1997 UPDATE to the excerpt from my post to HCFA Analyst Honemann, thanks to Dr. Kaibel.... Main Entry: li·ar Pronunciation: 'lI(-&)r Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old English lEogere, from lEogan to lie -- more at LIE Date: before 12th century : one that tells lies Main Entry: 3lie Function: verb Inflected Form(s): lied; ly·ing /'lI-i[ng]/ Etymology: Middle English, from Old English lEogan; akin to Old High German liogan to lie, Old Church Slavonic lugati Date: before 12th century intransitive senses 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression transitive senses : to bring about by telling lies lied his way out of trouble synonyms LIE, PREVARICATE, EQUIVOCATE, PALTER, FIB mean to tell an untruth. LIE is the blunt term, imputing dishonesty lied about where he had been. PREVARICATE softens the bluntness of LIE by implying quibbling or confusing the issue during the hearings the witness did his best to prevaricate. EQUIVOCATE implies using words having more than one sense so as to seem to say one thing but intend another equivocated endlessly in an attempt to mislead her inquisitors. PALTER implies making unreliable statements of fact or intention or insincere promises a swindler paltering with his investors. FIB applies to a telling of a trivial untruth fibbed about the price of the new suit. Dr. Pedigo was caught fibbing - and he is trying to stop me from talking about it publicly by privately threatening a lawsuit. I just think the ACA leadership, influenced substantially - as always - by ACA legal counsel - is ill-advisedly engaging in knuckleheadenous behavior... Radiation is **NOT** a tool of managed care - and any Congressperson who is "ticked off" by my suggestion otherwise can go to hell... Dr. Pedigo, I don't worry about "ticking off" Congressmen (or the lobbiests - including ACA lobbiests - that run them)... I let *them* worry about "ticking off" Gastaldo... Call me arrogant, but I think if every American thought this way, Congress would be a better organization and America would be a better place... Here, now, is the info about fetal skull squashing which I am asking HCFA Analyst Honemann to forward to HCFA employees Barbara Wynn and Donna Shalala... Complete with a Dec. 28, 1997 UPDATE thanks to Dr. Kaibel... Keep in mind Dr. Pedigo, I think fetal skull squashing is an emergency... You have been silent on this. Why?? BEGIN excerpt from Gastaldo's fetal skull squashing post to HCFA Analyst Honemann MDs and DOs and CNMs are routinely jamming sacral tips up to 4 cm into fetal skulls, with evidence that 4.6% of term neonates suffer unexplained brain bleeds and up to 10% suffer unexplained neonatal encephalopathy - with Australian physician Norman Beischer, MD guessing that 10 to 15% of stillbirths are fine right before delivery... http://forums.obgyn.net/forums/ob-gy...9707/0128.html http://forums.obgyn.net/forums/ob-gy...9707/0153.html [See Gastaldo Birth 1992;19:230; and see Gastaldo Mothering Jul/Aug/Sep1997:17] 1. Why do two "Operative Obstetrics" texts SAY "inlet" shoulder dystocia as they picture outlet shoulder dystocia and say that McRoberts doesn't widen the outlet?? 2. With the fetal shoulders ostensibly impacted at the inlet (way up the Curve of Carus), what force pushes the head out of the vagina?? 3. Why did Drs. Enkin and Chalmers censor their own text. See above URLs. I think a major medical crime is underway...one that causes brain injury and death in the most helpless humans... Note (at the above URL's) that British obstetrician Jason Gardosi, MD agrees with me that MDs are causing many shoulder dystocias by jamming the sacral tip up to 4 cm into the pelvic outlet... Please help stop this obvious criminal negligence that likely makes birth a violent process. I use the word "violent" here (I prefer the term "powerful") because HCFA-helper Dr. Jerilynn Kaibel has written that birth is a violent process... Inspite of our differences (discussed briefly below), Dr. Kaibel might even agree with me that jamming the sacral tip up to 4 cm into the pelvic outlet may be causing vertebral subluxations... I think she said as much in her CCA Journal article in the 80s, though she did not mention fetal skull squashing... I should mention that part of my subject line ("*BAD* Kaibel) is from ACA Delegate Dr. James Edwards' recent humorous parody of my chiro-list posts in response to Dr. Phil Chapman... (Anyone desiring a copy Dr. Edwards humorous post, please e-mail me. It was hilarious.) Dr. Kaibel is the AMA-owned CPT Coding Party Princess (wife of ACA-PAC President Bob Dark, D.C.) who told me publicly on chiro-list that she wasn't the right "tuna" - and then it turned out that she WAS the right "tuna." Dr. Kaibel said she had nothing to do with the trial of Chiropractic Obstetrician Laura Flores, D.C., Ph.D. and that she never said birth was a "violent" process - after which I verified that she had published an article stating that birth was a "violent" process and she had in fact recruited her DC father to testify against Dr. Flores and had reportedly told chiropractic students that Dr. Flores belonged behind bars, among other "not involved in the Flores case" antics...I *did* have the right "tuna." Dr. Kaibel and her father's side did not prevail incidentally. Dr. Flores beat them in court. [Dec. 18, 1997 UPDATE: Dr. Kaibel has just posted to chiro-list her disagreement with the above. Apparently, she has an inside scoop on the Flores case that was not published in Dynamic Chiropractic. I look forward with eager anticipation to Dr. Kaibel's inside scoop and very much like Dr. Kaibel's statement in this update that the Flores case "was never about chiropractors doing obstretrics." This is reminiscent of the fact that the 1976 "abortion equals birth" Bowland case was never about doing midwifery, but rather about midwives who purported to do MORE than practice midwifery [Bowland at 634]. SOMEHOW - and I discuss this in detail elsewhere info packs available to any who ask) - California women were robbed of INDEPENDENT homebirth midwives - soon after which, in 1977, a national MD-obstetrician trade union (ACOG), libeled homebirth as "child abuse" [Ob.Gyn.News Oct. 1, 1977]. Chiropractic obstetrician Laura Flores, PhD, DC kept practicing openly until California DCs - including Dr. Kaibel - ADMINISTRATIVELY put Dr. Flores' head on a pole. Not satisfied, in 1993 10 MD-obstetricians judicially wrangled the California Chiropractic Board into declaring that DCs may not sever the umbilical cord. From Crees to Bowland to present, everyone forgets that midwifery is NOT the practice of medicine/obstetrics - and everyone focuses on the 1922 Chiropractic Initiative ballot argument. Virtually no one mentions the 1948 ballot argument authorizing DCs to practice obstetrics.a key omission given the 1938 Fowler "Ballot Argument" argument ("We must assume that the electors read the voters' pamphlet," or words to that effect). Dr. Kaibel now reports that the Flores case was about an infant that died - as she accuses me of "revisionism." I HAPPILY look forward to Dr. Kaibel's correction of Dynamic Chiropractic's 1980s coverage of the Flores case. I am much reassured by Dr. Kaibel's statement that the Flores case was not about chiropractic obstetrics. I hasten to add, though, that if a baby died under Dr. Flores' care (it was reported that certificates of LIVE births were used against her), so be it. Babies die under the best care - of midwives, DC-obstetricians and MD-obstetricians - yet when a baby dies after a homebirth people have a field day. Now we know that there was never any evidence for the obstetrician boast that hospitals are safest, and in this regard, I want to emphasize here that DCs turned tail and RAN when MDs hissed their "homebirth is child abuse" libel. We now know it *was* libel (thanks in part to the British Health Department) - and we know that soon after publication of the British Health Department's report in 1992, California physicians quickly hijacked a midwifery bill and used it to get rid of California's then-existing INDEPENDENT midwifery statute. In hijacking the midwives' bill, California physicians refused "collegial relationships" with homebirth midwives and lobbied "physician supervision" into the law - "so as not to encourage homebirth." [Vivian Dickerson, MD, on behalf of 1500 California MD-obstetricians. In Ob.Gyn.News Sept. 15, 1993] My experience has been that most of these homebirth midwives know not to ape MDs and jam sacral tips up to 4 cm into fetal skulls. (See end of this post.) If MDs are going to continue to play their anti-homebirth, anti-INDEPENDENT midwife game, I will be in favor of California DCs stepping in to provide safe homebirth care - right along with those brave homebirth midwives who will always offer homebirths underground. It is good to know that the Flores case was not about chiropractic obstetrics.I look forward to Dr. Kaibel's further exposition of the Flores case. END Dec. 18, 1997 UPDATE.) Anyway, back to the matter at hand... As noted above, it was a disappointment to learn from Ms. Honemann that Dr. Kaibel and/or Dr. Goertz took responsibility for dealing with my HCFA concerns about HCFA's use of the term "dislocation" to describe the hypothetical entities that DCs ostensibly correct after documenting them on x-ray... This last notion - the requirement that DCs document subluxation on x-ray - was intended as "sabotage" of chiropractic in 1972 according to AMA Member Stephen Barrett, MD [Magner. Chiropractic. Amherst, NY: Prometheus 1995:36] - and was admitted to be wrong on the floor of Congress in 1997 - yet Congress in 1997 went ahead and EXTENDED this "sabotage" for two years - to the year 2000 - with Congress also in effect ordering Ms. Honemann (on behalf of HHS Secretary Shalala) to establish guidelines for subluxation documentation without x-ray by they year 2000... Ms. Honemann, as I noted in my first post to you, it is fine with me that the Medicare Handbook uses chiropractic as an example of how restricted Medicare coverage is - as long as the Medicare Handbook explains to seniors WHY chiropractic Medicare coverage is so restricted. You might want to include in your Medicare Handbook explanation of chiropractic the fact that most DCs do not agree that radiation is a tool of managed care [but SOMEBODY disagreed - TDG] - which is, in effect, why the radiation "sabotage" was installed in 1972 and why it was recently extended for two years. In my view, this mandatory radiation nonsense should stop IMMEDIATELY - Medicare should announce that it simply can't continue the obviously illegal radiation mandate - and DCs should be afforded the latitude of the recent HCFA guidelines for osteopaths - which guidelines, sensibly, do NOT require x-ray prior to manipulation of the spine... (I posted these HCFA osteopathic guidelines to chiro-list awhile back, requesting their authentication. They were dated in November 1997 as I recall. They looked an awful lot like the somatic afferent irritation subluxation hypothesis forwarded by Texas Chiropractic College President Dr. W.D. Harper in his 1966 book "Anything Can Cause Anything: A Correlation of Dr. DD Palmer's Principles of Chiropractic.) I think HCFA should immediately submit the already-approved HCFA osteopathic guidelines to the American public for approval so that the Chiropractic Working Group can disband and HCFA can better spend the time and money to inform American women about the fact that semisitting and dorsal delivery jam the sacral tip up to 4 cm into fetal skulls. See above. Ms. Honemann, please forward this message to your supervisor - and to Barbara Wynn - and please copy me. Hopefully Barbara Wynn will forward the fetal skull squashing matter to DHSS Secretary Shalala... It's an emergency from the perspective of fetuses - which is the perspective we should be taking.... I suspect that HCFA is paying out billions in neonatal intensive care - so the least HCFA could do is stop the fetal skull squashing - or at least inform American women that it is occurring... By failing to do this HCFA may be helping MDs create vertebral subluxations (business for DCs)... An important part of the business of chiropractic is PREVENTING subluxations - adjusting without touching the spine... END excerpt from Gastaldo's fetal skull squashing post to HCFA Analyst Honemann Note: HCFA Analyst Honemann responded to this post by saying that Dr. Christine Goertz had nothing to do with "dislocation" and did not indicate any interest in receiving copies of my posts to HCFA... Todd D. Gastaldo, D.C. -- IMPORTANT NOTE: I am not currently practicing chiropractic - except insofar as the practice of chiropractic includes freedom of speech. While in Oregon doing library research I have voluntarily forfeited my California chiropractic license so as not to have to pay the annual licensing fee. (Under California law, any licensed D.C. may voluntarily forfeit his/her license, and may, at any time, reactivate said license by providing the Board of Examiners with "twice the annual amount of the renewal fee...[He or she]...shall not be required to submit to an examination for the reissuance of the certificate." [Section 12, Act Regulating the Practice of Chiropractic...Issued by the Board of Chiropractic Examiners...Act Includes Amendments Through October 1993] "Yes, I sold [Gastaldo] a modem. That was one of the biggest mistakes of my entire life and I regret it more than any other error of my life." Howard Leighty, D.C.END Radiation is NOT a tool of managed care [1997]http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=68705 f%244rg%241%40gte1.gte.netAny subscribers to the censored version of chiro-list ) remember Chiro Bouncer Bob saying he x-rays ALL his Medicare patients?Most DCs did. Many still do...Anyone remember R Dean Harman, DC - Calif. Chiro. Assoc.'s Medicare specialist - saying on the censored version of chiro-list that he "prayed" that he would never be hauled into court to demonstrate a subluxation on x-ray?The x-ray/subluxation fraud was IMPOSED on DCs - over the objections of DCs - just read the book ghost-co-authored by Barrett (with the late Magner)...How sad - DCs are ignoring MDs closing birth canals and gruesomely manipulating the tiniest chiropractic patients - and various other massive MD crimes - because DCs don't want MDs to finally expose the x-ray subluxation fraud.You guys all deserve Chiro Bouncer Bob...For the other massive MD crimes that I was kicked off chiro-list for trying to NON-SPINAL chiropractically adjust...See again: Johns Hopkins breast/vagina/penis power! (How America can INSTANTLY save$200 million per year...)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2108Dr. Brian Zaleski ), please post this to the censored version of chiro-list for reading, everyone,Sincerely,ToddDr. opied to ACA Chairman James Edwards and the officers of the ACA Council on Chiro Orthopedics - all of whom - I am hoping - will do what they can NOW to stop the massive MD spinal manipulation crime BEFORE the Sept. 16, 2003 ACA House of Delegates meeting in Albuquerque...This email could SO easily be fax blasted to all ACA members with email addresses...Do it for the tiniest chiropractic patients.***This Open Letter will be instantly archived for global access on theUNcensored version of chirolist...http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-...age/2143Within 24 hours itwill be in the google archive. Searchhttp://groups.google.com for "PPAC, vaccinations and chiro bouncer Bob (Bob Dubin, Diplomate, American Board of Chiropractic Censorship)" 
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