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David Kirby: Up to 1-in-50 Troops Seriously Injured... By Vaccines?



 
 
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Old August 16th 08, 04:27 PM posted to sci.environment,talk.politics.medicine,sci.med.nursing,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Ilena Rose
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Default David Kirby: Up to 1-in-50 Troops Seriously Injured... By Vaccines?

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The Vaccination Propagandists, many centered at quackwatch and the
healthfraud / snake-oil lists, usually harass David Kirby from their
perch of being a disbarred former NY attorney (Mark S Probert) or
Terry Polevoy, fake skeptic and loser in Barrett Vs Rosenthal, who
parade around Usenet in various disguises.

The list of this disinformation group is he
http://www.BreastimplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm



US Department of Defense: 1-2% of individuals may experience
severe vaccine effects that "could result in disability or death."


American Academy of Pediatrics: 2+ % of children have "defects"
that cause vaccine "risks"

On August 5th, the President of the American Academy of Pediatrics,
Dr. Renee Jenkins, made a rather puzzling comment on Good Morning
America, during a segment on vaccine safety and the risk of autism.

Dr. Jenkins said that, "97-plus percent of children don't have these
kinds of defects, and so when you look at what the (vaccine) risk is
to children, and then what the benefits are, the benefits far outweigh
the risks that occur."

Many observers, myself among them, were startled by the comments. But
due to awkward editing, it was left entirely unclear as to what Dr.
Jenkins meant by "defects," and what sort of vaccine-related "risks"
threatened the remaining two-plus percent of children.

Some in the autism community took the statement to mean that at least
2 percent of children (or 1-in-50) were somehow genetically destined
("defective" is such an ugly term) to be at-risk for serious vaccine
injuries.

I didn't believe it. It was inconceivable to me that any pediatrician
would so nonchalantly find it acceptable that somewhere between
1-in-50 and 1-in-33 children faced such severe risks. Certainly, Dr.
Jenkins had misspoken.

So I emailed the AAP and, sure enough, they assured me that Dr.
Jenkins had never intended to use the word "defects." Instead, I was
told, she was referring to certain susceptibilities that some infants
might have to very mild side effects - such as temporary fever, or
localized pain or swelling.

The AAP official I spoke with said studies had shown that less than 3%
of children encounter such non-serious side effects.

So I published this account on the "Age of Autism" blog, where I
concluded that, "some people may not accept this explanation, but I
do."

Well, a lot of people did not accept the explanation. Some insisted
that Dr. Jenkins was not talking about minor side effects: She had
been asked a question about vaccines and autism.

I called ABC and spoke with a producer who had worked on the segment.
She confirmed that the question Dr. Jenkins had been asked was this:
"Do you completely dismiss any connection between autism and
vaccines?"

In other words, Dr. Jenkins was not speaking about mild side effects
at all.

So I emailed the AAP once again, for a little further clarification.
Did Dr. Jenkins stand by her original contention that she was actually
talking about susceptibilities, and not "defects?" And were the
"risks" she mentioned really related to simple pain and swelling, when
the question posed to her was about autism?

It didn't make sense. And it still doesn't.

Which brings us to the military.

Following the Jenkins remarks, one parent directed me to a report,
prepared last year by the Government Accountability Office, that
contained this rather surprising statement:

"Officials from the VHC (the Department of Defense's Vaccine
Healthcare Centers) Network and CDC estimate that between 1 and 2
percent of immunized individuals may experience severe adverse events,
which could result in disability or death. Some of these events may
occur coincidentally following immunization, while others may truly be
caused by immunization"

I had never heard of the VHC, so I went to their website, where I
found this Power Point presentation, and this slide in particular:
Download file

This slide suggests many things to me. Namely:

1) Some 10.4 million service members, DoD employees and their
beneficiaries (including children) have been vaccinated.

2) Up to 2%, or 1-in-50 service members (and it looks like DoD
employees and beneficiaries as well - though I have yet to confirm
this) have sustained "serious" adverse vaccine reactions, including
disability and death.

3) Among active duty and reserve service members, up to 48,000
individuals may have sustained serious vaccine injuries which might
need to be classified as "casualties."

4) These vaccine-related disabilities are often severe, and may
require teaching "new skills" to the injured.

At first, I thought the injury rates might be so high because of the
anthrax and smallpox vaccines. But military studies on both shots
claimed that they were extremely safe. (For example, there were only
140 reports of inflamed heart muscle following smallpox vaccination,
out of 1.2 million service members vaccinated).

But then I read that the possible cause of so much injury, for service
members at least, was "multiple vaccines" or "drugs + vaccines,"
according to the VHC slide.

I wrote to the VHC, and to the GAO, seeking more information on these
data, but did not receive any replies (so far, although I will be
happy to update this column if I do).

The questions raised by this, by other slides in the series, and
within the GAO report, are numerous. They could have serious
implications for the military, and for the population at large. Here
is what I asked the two agencies (GAO and VHC):

What, exactly, were the serious side effects found in the
population?


What information is there on the impact of these effects, in terms
of medical discharges, relocation and reassignments, teaching of "new
skills," treatments, veteran care, etc?

Of those service members injured, how many did not return to
active duty or reserve assignments, and what impact, if any, is this
having on our military?

What are the financial costs of training troops who may no longer
be able to serve due to vaccine injuries?

If the 1-2% rate for serious side effects is the same for all 10.4
million DoD personnel and their beneficiaries, does that mean there
have been 100,000-200,000 serious side effects within the DoD system?

The GAO said that some service members who received anthrax or
smallpox vaccines experienced severe reactions such as the onset of
diabetes and multiple sclerosis. How rare were these events and why
don't they show up in the safety data?

Why does DoD believe that adverse events effecting up to 1 in 50
people are "rare?"

Is DoD stating that vaccines can cause diabetes, chronic fatigue
syndrome and autoimmune disorders, however rare?

DoD says that possible risk factors for severe adverse events
include "multiple vaccines." So why does the AAP and CDC say this is
not a risk factor for infants?

DoD also says that gender and ethnicity may be risk factors as
well. What evidence, if any, is available to support this?

One slide says that the "ever expanding" number of CDC-recommended
vaccines is one of several "complex immunization exposures" to be
considered - Could the DoD elaborate on that?

DoD says that "travel vaccines mixed in new ways" also need to be
considered. What impact might they be having?

The military says that people who have adverse reactions to a
vaccine may be exempted from further doses. Why doesn't the American
Academy of Pediatrics adopt this approach as well?

If the rate of serious vaccine effects in this population is 1-2%,
what is the rate in the general population?

Is autism more common in military families than the general
population? (Some anecdotal reports, at least, estimate the rate at
about 1-in-80 children of US military personnel).

These seem like sensible questions to me. But I am not sure anyone
will get any answers that are any more sensible than those coming out
of the AAP.

Dr. Jenkins spoke about 2-plus percent of children with "defects"
putting them at risk for vaccine injury. Is that the same 1-2 percent
risk found by the military? I have no idea.

But I did look up the rates for mild side effects from some common
childhood vaccines. Many of them were much higher than the "2-plus"
percent cited by Dr. Jenkins

The diphtheria -- tetanus-pertussis vaccine, for instance, carries a
25% risk for fever, 25% for localized redness or swelling, and 25% for
soreness or tenderness where the shot was given. Haemophilus
influenzae type b (HiB) vaccine causes redness, warmth, or swelling
where the shot was given in up to 25% of children, and fever over 101
degrees Fahrenheit in up to 1 out of 20 children.

Which leads me to believe, sadly, that I defended Dr. Jenkins
prematurely. It would appear the AAP President is either misinformed,
or not telling the whole truth.

But we will never know. This afternoon, the AAP wrote to me to say
they would have no further comment on Dr. Jenkins's appearance on Good
Morning America.
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Old August 18th 08, 04:05 AM posted to sci.environment,talk.politics.medicine,sci.med.nursing,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
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Default David Kirby: Up to 1-in-50 Troops Seriously Injured... By Vaccines?

Ilena Rose wrote:
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The link was missing, so here it is (with the link to the referenced
documents):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_119048.html
 




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