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Old January 18th 04, 11:28 PM
Kane
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On 18 Jan 2004 01:12:17 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Dan wrote
A background check form MUST be completely filled
our before a child it transferred to a relative
or a new foster family.


Sorta like when they wrote up a HOME STUDY which
neglected to mention the Grandma had been taking
Prozac unreliably for 8 years?


Iowa let's people read homestudies on others?...hell, most states you
can't even get YOUR OWN homestudy without a court order, and even then
most courts will turn down the request.

You are lying again.

Or after our squawking, the redo Home Study where
the details on Prozac were severely minimized


Probably got a "service plan" from the g'parents how that was going to
be handled from then on with the child in the home. Yah know,
supervision of the g'mothers dosage and taking the pills. Like
responsible people..oh, wait, you wouldn't know about that. Probably
from a long line of narcissists. They tend to infect their children
with their same behavior...at least one of them..you the oldest child
are yah?

and
the form was filled full of stuff that in no way
belonged on the Home Study form? (actual)


Yah better start comin' up with more than that, Greegor. How do YOU
know what belongs in a HS form anyway? Yah got a pile of 'em sittin'
aroun'?

You aren't allowed to see someone else's homestudy, Greegor, as even
one's own is unlikely to be released to then. You are lying again.

And on the background check, where exactly do
you draw the line?


States have clearly written standards in policy and law on what will
and won't be tolerated for foster and adoptive.

However, on many matters, IN FAVOR OF THE RELATIVES, the state will
have a supervisor or area branch manager meet with the relative for an
explanation of the offense, giving consideration to the ensuing years
and what the relative may have done to correct the situation.

This is how I know how much you and The Plant, and others here for
that matter, lie lie lie. CPS in most states struggles ON BEHALF of
relatives for placement purposes. They'll even give them things to
help them pass the home inspection part...fire extinguishers, smoke
alarms....sometimes even financial help with getting their home set up
properly before the placement.

You people lie so much you believe yourselves. You also lie so much
you believe each other instead of checking it out for yourself.
Typical sickos.

If somebody plead guilty to an assault
perpetrated directly in front of the child?
(actual)


Might or might not disqualify.

Don't you EVER read the policy and law on these issues before you
babble, or do you LIKE being seen as a fool and liar?

Oh, wait, narcissists will do anything for attention...no shame at all
as long as they are noticed. It's in the book.

If the assault was on a child...the perp is likely NOT going to be
certified as a placement resource, relative or NOT.

Cat fight with another girl when a juvenile in the school
cafeteria...naw, not likely to disqualify after a chat to see how the
relative handles and has handled life since.

What if the kin has an assault record from
ten years ago? (Hypothetically)


Depends on the circumstances. On a child...forgiddit.

Domestic dispute....most likely forgiddit.

Bar fight...believe it or not...if it can be explained and it fits
with the police notes of the event...maybe...especially if the
relative made restitution and did some assigned public service and got
good marks from the judge at the end of the sentence.

You'd be surprised how hard CPS can work to get a child into a
relative's home. They did a great job in your case....R R R R R

Why don't you go down to the CPS office, hell you ain't got nothing to
do, and volunteer and stop all your lyin'..or would that crimp your
style as a sick narcissist?

Hell, boy, you could pick up can's and bottles on the way there and
back and do double duty. Cleaner streets and some change in your
pocket that you didn't squeeze out of your SO and her kid.

Even a moment of pride in self could turn your life around. Careful
though. You could actually find yourself working for a living.

Don't you EVER get tired of trying to justify yourself by posting all
this garbage in Usenet?

You are a child abuser. Face it. Learn to live with it. Get help. Get
over it. Get on with your life. Let others get on with theirs. Let the
child come home.

Kane
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Old January 19th 04, 08:35 AM
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Kane: If I were to post the state agencies
form number would you be able to confirm that?

When the stuff written up in a study of a certain
home is filled with comments that have absolutely
no bearing on the home situation, it's obvious.

The comments even belie G'ma's mental illness.
Sorta like when she was asked a yes or no question
in court and she started opinionating, even
pretending to speak on behalf of the child,
which was an obvious LIE.

Yes, Home study for placement is provided to PARENT.

And the form has titles over the sections
indicating what is to be written up.

Did we get to "see sausage getting made"??

It's the ""Social History Report"" which is as
secretive as you described, and used in court
yet not available for cross examination.





Iowa let's people read homestudies on
others?...hell, most states you can't
even get YOUR OWN homestudy without a
court order, and even then most courts
will turn down the request.

You are lying again.

Or after our squawking, the redo Home Study where
the details on Prozac were severely minimized


snip

Yah better start comin' up with more than that,
Greegor. How do YOU know what belongs in a HS
form anyway? Yah got a pile of 'em sittin'
aroun'?

You aren't allowed to see someone else's
homestudy, Greegor, as even one's own is
unlikely to be released to then.
You are lying again.


Will the form number and letter suffice?

Tell me if that would prove I was telling truth.
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Old January 19th 04, 07:22 PM
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On 18 Jan 2004 23:35:19 -0800, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Kane: If I were to post the state agencies
form number would you be able to confirm that?


Why would that matter? I can get, as you or anyone else can, a lot of
blank state DHS forms online with minimum bother just googling for it.
I do it all the time to point people (backchannel) to them for THEIR
use and to help them understand what the business of child care is
actually about.

You liars, on the other hand, avoid the truth like a plague. I've
watched asshole after lying asshole leave this ng when called on the
garbage and shown the truth. You, narcissist that you are, are
delighted with the attention being wrong, a liar, an outlandishly
brutal hate filled abuser of children and called on it by myself and
others.

The only good thing I can say about the others is that at least they
don't have YOUR sickness. They know when they've been shown the truth
even if they left denying it vociferously to save face.

I notice asshole is back however. Claiming he never said he finally
got the money together to pay his online account. More liars still
wander about here but only because they are too sick to see the truth
and what it makes them look like.

When the stuff written up in a study of a certain
home is filled with comments that have absolutely
no bearing on the home situation, it's obvious.


You have talked ABOUT them. You haven't said what they were. You can
scan the homestudy, with names redacted, and put it up on a freebie
website easily enough, asshole. The same thing took down another one
of you liar a year or so ago. Why not give it a try, ****head?

When you post the homestudy contents, not the number of the blank
form..hell, I can pull thousands of those numbers of the Web, we'll
believe you. Or we'll believe you made up something more credible
looking than the garbage you've posted so far.

The comments even belie G'ma's mental illness.


Let's me see. I have YOUR claim that g'ma is mentally ill. On the
other hand many people are "mentally ill" that have nothing more than
depression or age related disfunctions easily handled with Rx and Tx.

Sorta like when she was asked a yes or no question
in court and she started opinionating,


Yep, sure sign of insanity. No "normal" person does that, right,
asshole?

even
pretending to speak on behalf of the child,


Please demonstrate how one "pretends" speak for someone else. They
either do it or don't, they don't "pretend" to. Go take a basic
english writing class.

which was an obvious LIE.


What was? That you pretend to pretend to pretend? What a **** head.

Yes, Home study for placement is provided to PARENT.


Prove that. An adoptive family, or a foster family MIGHT, just might
request it and find themselves having to hire an attorney and petition
the court for it but in the states I know they rarey get it.

One case I followed closely because I knew the RELATIVE that requested
viewing (they didn't even get a copy, just a peek....thought were
allowed to take hand notes from it) of their foster certification home
study that one was a major shakeup statewide.

Had it set a precedent...which so far it hasn't and that was five
years ago or more....it would have made certifiers and adoption
workers work much more difficult. You know, how to say "this is a
raving lunatic that talks like Greegor the Whore, but how do I say it
without getting sued" kind of problem.

You know, the criminal thinking that wants all enforcement agents
totally crippled so they can proceed to shower little naked girls of
the girlfriends and sue when they get caught at it?

And the form has titles over the sections
indicating what is to be written up.


Pointless babble. What are you talking about. Unless you post it
somewhere for us to read you are just another one of the babbling
idiots that come and go on this ng. Mostly go.

Did we get to "see sausage getting made"??


I didn't ask for a video of the caseworker doing their minute by
minute work. I asked to see the product you claim to have access to.
If "the parent," in this case the girls mother, got a copy of the
homestudy of someone else (what a liar you are) then she has it in
hand. And you can scan it and post it in a freebie web page that are
all over the Web. So? So? What's holdin' yah up, asshole?

It's the ""Social History Report"" which is as
secretive as you described, and used in court
yet not available for cross examination.


That, asshole, is in most states information that is also included in
the "homestudy." A "Homestudy" would be more accurately titled
(something I've bitched about to the state) as a "Family and Home
Study."

If you are referring to a "home safety inspection," then as usual you
are indulging in your ignorance to try and con people, liar.

Never heard of a social history report. So get us the number and
location of the blank form. I'd like to see one. You live in the
state. You can google and search. Find it and show it to us. I'm busy
with a dozen other activities on line and too busy for your ****
spewing mouth overwork.

Iowa let's people read homestudies on
others?...hell, most states you can't
even get YOUR OWN homestudy without a
court order, and even then most courts
will turn down the request.

You are lying again.

Or after our squawking, the redo Home Study where
the details on Prozac were severely minimized


snip


So, what did yah have to snip that you couldn't handle....something
about you sitting on your ass instead of going out and hunting for
work? When was the last time you left the "manufactured" home to go
job hunting, eh? Eh? EH?

4 years ago?

Yah better start comin' up with more than that,
Greegor. How do YOU know what belongs in a HS
form anyway? Yah got a pile of 'em sittin'
aroun'?

You aren't allowed to see someone else's
homestudy, Greegor, as even one's own is
unlikely to be released to then.
You are lying again.


Will the form number and letter suffice?


At this point, with your record of lies and obfuscations, and
weaselings, and obvious, by snippage, Doananating, I'd want a scan'd
graphic posted on a web page and the clear date and signature of YOU
on it.

Tell me if that would prove I was telling truth.


Very little would prove anything positive about you, Whore, but a copy
of your first paycheck stub mailed to me from the company that issued
it.

Go find a job...even if you have to go drive your asshole buddy
Leakin's snow plow.

You aren't in a "family" you asshole Whore.

You are suckin' OFF a family and have been for 3 years or more, you
schmuck.

So post your evidence on the web. I don't trust you. Funny 'bout that.
I don't like whores and gigolos that pretend they are decent human
beings, and "step-parents."

Kane
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Old January 19th 04, 07:49 PM
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(Kane) wrote:

snipping the idiot mercifully

I notice asshole is back however. Claiming he never said he finally
got the money together to pay his online account. More liars still
wander about here but only because they are too sick to see the truth
and what it makes them look like.


Is this what you were looking for k-9? (haha, next time you try a search
on me, try not to omit the "nospam' munge. lol. what a maroon k-9 is? From
the "roll call" thread:
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder ---Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells,
Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells,
Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells

R R R R R R R and to all a goodnight.


ha ha you are too funny Kane. But Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you
and yours anyway! (Yeah, i scrimped up enough to get my account back.)
free, mrs, K & rest of fam. (nu grandson espec.)
2004

--
"..and that you may never experience the
humility that the power of the American Government
has reduced me to, is the wish of him, who, in his
native forests, was once as proud and bold as yourself."
Blackhawk 1833

So tell us k-9, you see anywhere that I said INTERNET or "online" account?
I've been online with same ISP for four years now, never one disconnect. I
have much more important things to do with my time than spend it here
reading your never ending same ol same rants and raves all the time. They
never change. It gets boring.
How much do you pay for your Premium Newsreader Service, Kane? Want a list
of what my children and Grandbaby got for Christmas this year,from money I
saved? Lol, I love proving you: WRONG AGAIN! LOL
more snippage

--
"..and that you may never experience the
humility that the power of the American Government
has reduced me to, is the wish of him, who, in his
native forests, was once as proud and bold as yourself."
Blackhawk 1833
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Old January 19th 04, 08:09 PM
Kane
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On 19 Jan 2004 05:24:02 GMT, Chris wrote:

Kane wrote:
[snip]

: YOU, Asshole, are a ****ing smelly **** precisely because YOU

defend
: people that torture children, and even those that kill children.

: YOU ARE A ****ING SMELLY ROTTEN ****....got that?

: Grow the **** up, you family and child hating bitch.

In most cases, this sort of verbal abuse is the last resort of people
with losing positions who have nothing left with which to argue.


Bull****, Chris. It's a common response to viciousness on the part of
others. Grow the **** up.

The abusive obscenity isn't in my words, it's in the actions of these
cretins.

But the
antispank position is not a losing position. We have the momentum of
history on our side, and virtually all the science on our side. Over

a
dozen countries have banned the practice entirely with more in the
pipeline. It has been banned in all but a dwindling minority of US
states' school systems, and US public opinion in favor of spanking
continues to erode according to public opinion polls. We

antispankers
don't need to engage in obscene rants. We are winning this battle of

the
culture wars.


Yep. Just a few hardcore nitwits left.

Resorting obscenities and personal attacks is a sign of weakness
rather than a sign of strength.


Bull****, Chris. Grow up. There is more than one way to express
opinions that are valid.

Alt.parenting.spanking was more effective
back in the old days when the antispankers were polite and civil

while the
prospankers threw obscene tantrums and launched endless personal

smear
campaigns which few lurkers took seriously.


"more effective" how, Chris. Notice whose gone missing? All that are
left are a few holdouts that are themselves ****ing nutcases.

Loosen up. Your tight ass blather is embarrassing to you and to anti
spankers in general.

Now that the mud slinging is
so prevalent on both sides I have less interest in the debates here

than I
used to, although I still check in from time to time.


Your problem.

Do you think The Question was just mud slinging?

It's simple. Antispankers are winning everywhere. We don't need to
behave as if we are losing


Please defend, logically (not emotionally, as you are doing), your
argument that swearing and vulgar personal attacks equates with acting
as though we are losing?

That's prissy assedness of the worse kind.

I'm PROVING that the crudest of us, the most uncouth, can still
respond to the needs of children and the truth about their
vulnerablity and the damages done by brutes to them.
and must resort to vulgar personal attacks for

lack of anything more cogent to offer.


YOU want to try and answer The Question?

How's THAT for "cogent?"

Get off your high horse. The ng doesn't belong to you. And years of
argument in the same, quasi polite (you were as brutal as I in YOUR
way) "debate" wound down, spiraled down into a few clever little
****ed up nitwits using the same tired logical phallacies and lies to
frustrate ANY FURTHER ARGUMENT.

I broke the stalemate and you know it if you could think about it
outside your prissy assed sensibilities.

Frankly I consider "polite" debaters as phony balognies. They are
exactly, if they are any good, as brutal and vulgar as I am...they
just use camoflaging tactics.

I find that offensive. And those that do it habitually, offensive and
silly. I am talking about YOU, Chris. If you didn't notice.

What happened to YOU is not going to blamed on me or anyone else that
argues more crudely. YOU ran out of opponents other than the deceitful
liars..nice work, actually.

You left the field for people like me to deal with Doananators, and
little piggy O's of the world. I did.

When you've convinced (which I'm not at all willing to admit you did)
the polite debaters to change their child beating ways the rest are
still there, babbling away.

I leave'em reeling, and for some folks, more especially the ones
preempted by the abuses THEY suffered as children, shock is the only
way to get to them.

How'm I doin' eh?

Chris


Your prissy assed criticism isn't the least welcome, but you are free
to peddle it of course, if it makes you feel superior and better than
us.

****in' effete twits **** me off more than most...I have more respect
for the assholes that debate in favor of child abuse honestly...if I
can find them.

**** off.

Kane
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Old January 19th 04, 08:14 PM
Kane
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On 19 Jan 2004 06:56:38 GMT,
wrote:

Chris wrote:
Kane wrote:
[snip]

: YOU, Asshole, are a ****ing smelly **** precisely because YOU

defend
: people that torture children, and even those that kill children.

: YOU ARE A ****ING SMELLY ROTTEN ****....got that?

: Grow the **** up, you family and child hating bitch.

In most cases, this sort of verbal abuse is the last resort of
people with losing positions who have nothing left with which to

argue.
But the antispank position is not a losing position. We have the
momentum of history on our side, and virtually all the science on

our
side. Over a dozen countries have banned the practice entirely

with more
in the pipeline. It has been banned in all but a dwindling

minority of
US states' school systems, and US public opinion in favor of

spanking
continues to erode according to public opinion polls. We

antispankers
don't need to engage in obscene rants. We are winning this battle

of the
culture wars.

Resorting obscenities and personal attacks is a sign of

weakness
rather than a sign of strength. Alt.parenting.spanking was more
effective back in the old days when the antispankers were polite

and
civil while the prospankers threw obscene tantrums and launched

endless
personal smear campaigns which few lurkers took seriously. Now

that the
mud slinging is so prevalent on both sides I have less interest in

the
debates here than I used to, although I still check in from time to

time.

It's simple. Antispankers are winning everywhere. We don't

need to
behave as if we are losing and must resort to vulgar personal

attacks for
lack of anything more cogent to offer.


Yeah Kane,I guess he told you didn't he?


Oooo...The Flame, oh how it burns.

shrug

LOL


You are a **** assed little twit, Leakin' and not worthy of
association even with those I disagree with, let along civilized
people that DON'T beat their kiddies and delude themselves that it is
love and discipline.

Now go jack off your Whore buddy and give up trying to hang out with
decent folk.

LOL

Kane
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Old January 25th 04, 12:46 PM
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Kane wrote:
On 19 Jan 2004 05:24:02 GMT, Chris
wrote:

Kane wrote:
[snip]

YOU, Asshole, are a ****ing smelly **** precisely because YOU

defend
people that torture children, and even those that kill children.


YOU ARE A ****ING SMELLY ROTTEN ****....got that?


Grow the **** up, you family and child hating bitch.


In most cases, this sort of verbal abuse is the last resort
of people with losing positions who have nothing left with which
to argue.


Bull****, Chris. It's a common response to viciousness on the
part of others. Grow the **** up.

The abusive obscenity isn't in my words, it's in the actions of
these cretins.

But the
antispank position is not a losing position. We have the
momentum of history on our side, and virtually all the science
on our side. Over

a
dozen countries have banned the practice entirely with more in
the pipeline. It has been banned in all but a dwindling
minority of US states' school systems, and US public opinion in
favor of spanking continues to erode according to public opinion
polls. We

antispankers
don't need to engage in obscene rants. We are winning this
battle of

the
culture wars.


Yep. Just a few hardcore nitwits left.

Resorting obscenities and personal attacks is a sign of
weakness rather than a sign of strength.


Bull****, Chris. Grow up. There is more than one way to express
opinions that are valid.

Alt.parenting.spanking was more effective
back in the old days when the antispankers were polite and civil

while the
prospankers threw obscene tantrums and launched endless personal

smear
campaigns which few lurkers took seriously.


"more effective" how, Chris. Notice whose gone missing? All that
are
left are a few holdouts that are themselves ****ing nutcases.

Loosen up. Your tight ass blather is embarrassing to you and to
anti spankers in general.

Now that the mud slinging is
so prevalent on both sides I have less interest in the debates
here

than I
used to, although I still check in from time to time.


Your problem.

Do you think The Question was just mud slinging?

It's simple. Antispankers are winning everywhere. We don't
need to behave as if we are losing


Please defend, logically (not emotionally, as you are doing), your
argument that swearing and vulgar personal attacks equates with
acting
as though we are losing?

That's prissy assedness of the worse kind.

I'm PROVING that the crudest of us, the most uncouth, can still
respond to the needs of children and the truth about their
vulnerablity and the damages done by brutes to them.
and must resort to vulgar personal attacks for

lack of anything more cogent to offer.


YOU want to try and answer The Question?

How's THAT for "cogent?"

Get off your high horse. The ng doesn't belong to you. And years
of argument in the same, quasi polite (you were as brutal as I in
YOUR
way) "debate" wound down, spiraled down into a few clever little
****ed up nitwits using the same tired logical phallacies and
lies to frustrate ANY FURTHER ARGUMENT.

I broke the stalemate and you know it if you could think about it
outside your prissy assed sensibilities.

Frankly I consider "polite" debaters as phony balognies. They are
exactly, if they are any good, as brutal and vulgar as I am...they
just use camoflaging tactics.


Nothing worse than someone who puts you down for spanking your child
in public for totally unacceptable behavior, then watches, with blind
acceptance, as their little Julie or Tommy knocks the hell out of
another child, trashes a display and gives them a ****ing time-out.
Julie and Tommy are the very kids that will be uncontrollable and have
no idea of personal responsibility when they hit high school. Why do
you think disciplinary boot camps are so successful? Kids want and
NEED discipline, and a freaking time-out isn't ****. If I thought,
from the time I was small, that I could steal something and receive
time-out type punishment (basically varying from no punishment up to a
slap on the hand) by the time I hit adulthood, I'd have a houseful of
really nice stuff. It's no different when little Julie knocks the
**** out of my kid. Julie needs to find out what it feels like to
have a toasty glowing ass.
ISM

****in' effete twits **** me off more than most...I have more
respect
for the assholes that debate in favor of child abuse
honestly...if I
can find them.

**** off.

Kane



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Old January 25th 04, 06:37 PM
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I Spank Mine wrote:

Kane wrote:


It's simple. Antispankers are winning everywhere. We
don't need to behave as if we are losing and must resort to
vulgar personal attacks for lack of anything more cogent to
offer.


Yeah, we can look around at kids with guns, knives, syringes, date
rape and tell how you're winning.


You can? Please explain what you think you've figured out..

Who are the ones out fighting for
our freedom?


Please tell us. You think the ranks of our military consist solely of
people who were physically punished as children?

Kids that learned discipline.


Discipline = being physically punished as a child?

Do you not own a dictionary?

Tell that to your
time-out baby when he comes down from his stoner high. I'd like to see a
few unspanked pampered little brats fight their way through boot camp.


First you have to find some "unspanked pampered little brats."

The only brats I know got to be that way from the way they were treated as
children - specifically, the way you seem to advocate raising children.

-Jerry-

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Old January 25th 04, 08:05 PM
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"I Spank Mine" wrote in message ...
Kane wrote:
On 19 Jan 2004 06:56:38 GMT,
wrote:
Chris wrote:


It's simple. Antispankers are winning everywhere. We
don't need to behave as if we are losing and must resort to
vulgar personal attacks for lack of anything more cogent to
offer.


Yeah, we can look around at kids with guns, knives, syringes, date
rape and tell how you're winning.


Adolescent crime is down and has been going down for years. Look it
up. It's been posted here enough in aps.

The fact there are still some of that going on is a better indicator
that, despite the inroads being made with non punitive child rearing,
the "spankers" are still in the minority, around 90-98% of the
families DO spank according to recent stats from different sources.

Who are the ones out fighting for
our freedom?


Where?

Kids that learned discipline. Tell that to your
time-out baby when he comes down from his stoner high.


You have some support from reputable sources that stoners are
predominately unspanked children?

I'd like to
see a few unspanked pampered little brats fight their way through boot
camp.


I'm sure they could quite well. And what makes you think boots have to
"fight" there way through?

Stay close Mommy and Daddy; junior is going to need you to come
pick him up.


Interesting viewpoint, but unsupported with facts so far. Got any?

ISM


Yes, you do seem to be promoting some kind of "ism" but I'm not sure
yet what.

Kane





You are a **** assed little twit, Leakin' and not worthy of
association even with those I disagree with, let along civilized
people that DON'T beat their kiddies and delude themselves that
it is love and discipline.

Now go jack off your Whore buddy and give up trying to hang out
with decent folk.
LOL
Kane

 




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