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help me keep my son from perpetuating the cycle of abuse (very long)
wrote in message . net... Tiffany wrote: Why is one need to be worse then the other? YOU are the one who just said that what I was doing was worse. Why does there have to be fault? Again, YOU blamed ME, as usual. I didn't say you abuse Paul, but again, you are only reading what you want. Yes you did. You said I name called by pointing out that he is a woman abuser, and you equated that to him calling me a bitch, which I of course think is not the same thing. Why not answer my question on why you let this become abuse? It's not within my control to let it become anything, it is HIS responsibility and HIS intention to make it so. It is HIS campaign of hatred targeted at me and his fixation on me which is clear by his specific name calling of me "Looney Lorain" and how he has dug up peterd's old name calling of me "maroon" to continue that legacy of hate and how he uses my women's studies education against me and my feminist ideals against me, anything pertaining to anything womanly about me in particular not to the other women on this newsgroup but only on me. That is abuse. Look, Lorian... you are letting his words have power. Ignore him. What you are doing though, is making what he says have value to you. Look at it this way, if he did to ME what he does to you, I'd tell him to **** off, tell him he's a quack and leave it at that. If he continued to be abusive, I'd ignore him because NOTHING I CAN DO WILL CHANGE WHAT HE DOES... only I can change my reaction to him. So please, for yourself, and others who post here, don't give him that power. Why do you read posts or take it to heart when you don't even know these people? Would you say that about the positive posts on here? No? Then why would you say it about the negative ones? Good point, but only you can chose what has value here... Christine |
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help me keep my son from perpetuating the cycle of abuse (very long)
wrote in message news:ME_Sa.103368$GL4.27241@rwcrnsc53... Karen O'Mara wrote: "Tiffany" wrote in message ... Err... here we go again. To me, no name calling is ok but I can't control what Roy types or what Paul types nor would I want to. There is no one to be at fault here. You have name called also though, maybe not using b---- but you called Paul a women abuser which is pretty harsh. More so then being a bitch as most women confess to being a bitch. You are dealing with alot right now.... why make it worse by dealing with negative posts? Negative *anything* avoid like the plague now, Lorian. Goodness gracious, you want to pop a vein or something? Think, feel, live positive. Surround yourself with positivity. Some stuff you can't avoid, I know. Karen yeah, I know, I should have known that although these newsgroup regulars are my longtime friends, I forgot how they cosign the bull**** of men who choose to attack me when I am down. How could I forget? Excuse me? I do not put up with their so called bull****, I'm not going to repeat myself over and over... nor am I going to try and change what they think or post. I've said my peice about Paul et al. and their attack on you, and that is all I'm going to do. Just because I chose to now ignore the onslaught, does not mean I support them. I'm sorry Lorian, but you're being foolish by thinking you can. And yes you ignore trolls but you do NOT ignore threats to your real life nor do I allow people to call me names and go unchallenged not in real life and not online. That would be stupid to not defend myself and people who have not been abused don't understand that so I will not accept condemnation from them. They are just cowards who would rather blame the victim than stand up to the bully. Whenever you disagree with someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, if they get mad, you are a mile away and you have their shoes. Again... Excuse me? Just about every woman I know has been abused one way or the other. How YOU chose to handle that abuse is YOUR business, but do not assume I lack the comprehension. Secondly, I think it's poor judgement to succumb to such negativity, especially at such a stressful time in your life, so ignore them for God's sake. Christine |
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help me keep my son from perpetuating the cycle of abuse (very long)
"Rolly The Pervert" wrote in message ... wrote in message news:GHISa.96500$GL4.27021@rwcrnsc53... Rolly The Pervert wrote: wrote in message news:KDDSa.107753$N7.14512@sccrnsc03... Lisa aka Surfer wrote: Well done, Tom. You have a bigger heart than I, it was clear from the very first reply from Betsy that she wasn't going to get the point. Yet you still took the time. Man oh man you're doing well these days!!!! Lisa Actually, Lisa, you and Tom are as emotionally abusiveslap And what you gonna do about it? **** off bitch So, calling me a bitch is ok with the group? It's my fault for failing to ignore him? Tell me why it isn't his fault. You are a bitch, and a lying netk00k kunt. More then that, your a lonney maroon. Go take your meds looney lorain. Wow, what depth and maturity. Talk about kicking someone while their down... you're quite the big man. Christine |
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help me keep my son from perpetuating the cycle of abuse (very long)
"CME" wrote in message .. . "Rolly The Pervert" wrote in message ... wrote in message news:GHISa.96500$GL4.27021@rwcrnsc53... Rolly The Pervert wrote: wrote in message news:KDDSa.107753$N7.14512@sccrnsc03... Lisa aka Surfer wrote: Well done, Tom. You have a bigger heart than I, it was clear from the very first reply from Betsy that she wasn't going to get the point. Yet you still took the time. Man oh man you're doing well these days!!!! Lisa Actually, Lisa, you and Tom are as emotionally abusiveslap And what you gonna do about it? **** off bitch So, calling me a bitch is ok with the group? It's my fault for failing to ignore him? Tell me why it isn't his fault. You are a bitch, and a lying netk00k kunt. More then that, your a lonney maroon. Go take your meds looney lorain. Wow, what depth and maturity. Talk about kicking someone while their down... you're quite the big man. Christine Go **** yourself Christine, hypocrite. |
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NOTE to all readers, looney lorian begins trolling and crossposting to other groups
"CME" wrote in message .. . "Rolly The Pervert" wrote in message ... wrote in message news:QPISa.96297$OZ2.20417@rwcrnsc54... Rolly The Pervert wrote: wrote in message news:KDDSa.107753$N7.14512@sccrnsc03... Actually, Lisa, you and Tom are as emotionally abusiveslap And what you gonna do about it? **** off bitch Tom, you are simply proving my point as what you just did is emotional abuse! Shut up bitch. I thought you were in recovery? hahahahaha bitch. And every techie knows that databasix is the last resort of the coward No bitch, meow, YHBT. You ain;t a techie either ****or, just cause you got a free email addy lol. Take credit for anyone elses work lately fraud? usenet poster who needs to hide behind a terms of service agreement that allows for anything goes. Better watch it though, there are still laws to follow... hahaha, hahahaha looney lorian, you just bought off more then you can chew. again. Cal the cops bitch. Email databasix ****. Your just ****ed you can't netkkkop me. Looney Lorain, your new friends will turn on you to, just like your old ones did, cause you are a backstabbing ****, whos ****ing up their kids life. Shame on you ****. LOL, I'm sorry... I just find this so amusing, who's the one here that has the mental illness? Lorian has expressed herself in such a logical and coherent manner... you on the otherhand, resort to base and childish insults. You're a full blown cracker. Oh what, gonna call me a **** now too? LMAO Christine hey look it's lady christine, coming to the invalids aid. co-dependants and dumb **** enablers alike. |
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help me keep my son from perpetuating the cycle of abuse (very long)
"Cele" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:55:57 GMT, "CME" wrote: Yeah, mine was probably when I left home and realized how bloody naive I was. The only thing that kept me alive was that I had brains, and I learned fast. I even remember spending a cold, hungry night outside walking the piers of Victoria because I had no where else to go. What a rough awakening. But my truly defining moment didn't come until later, when I became pregnant. I knew I was responsible for someone other than myself, and I needed to get my **** together. I'm proud that I've made it. Hey, did you grow up in Victoria??? When did you leave? I went to Vic High..... I wonder if we know each other? Or do I vaguely remember that you're younger than I am? Cele I'm 27, and I didn't leave Edmonton, for Victoria until 1994. I lived a few months in Vancouver as well... boy do I miss the ocean. Perhaps after Graduate school, I'll look for work out there. I find I can't tolerate the winters here anymore, they're too long. Christine |
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help me keep my son from perpetuating the cycle of abuse (very long)
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:25:34 GMT, "CME"
wrote: "Cele" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:55:57 GMT, "CME" wrote: Yeah, mine was probably when I left home and realized how bloody naive I was. The only thing that kept me alive was that I had brains, and I learned fast. I even remember spending a cold, hungry night outside walking the piers of Victoria because I had no where else to go. What a rough awakening. But my truly defining moment didn't come until later, when I became pregnant. I knew I was responsible for someone other than myself, and I needed to get my **** together. I'm proud that I've made it. Hey, did you grow up in Victoria??? When did you leave? I went to Vic High..... I wonder if we know each other? Or do I vaguely remember that you're younger than I am? Cele I'm 27, and I didn't leave Edmonton, for Victoria until 1994. I lived a few months in Vancouver as well... boy do I miss the ocean. Perhaps after Graduate school, I'll look for work out there. I find I can't tolerate the winters here anymore, they're too long. Oh, okay, I'm 44, so that means I left a long time before you got there. I graduated from Vic High in '75 and left then to go to UBC. Haven't ever lived there since, although I did do 7 years in Nanaimo and 1 in Port Alberni. I miss the ocean too. I live a couple of hours from it now and would love to be able to go to it more easily. When I was a kid and I was stressed out I used to go storm around the beach at Dallas Road. I lived about half a block from Clover Point. If I was having a *really* bad day I'd go all along the beach and then look at tombstones in the cemetary at Ross Bay. Always felt better after that. Sort of freed up my head to think. LOL Anyway, I hear ya about the winters. These here in the Fraser Valley are really short and wet. But I'm homesick for Whitehorse anyway. I wish I could go back sometimes. And I miss my daughter who's there. Oh well. If you come this way you'll have to let me know so we can get together. :-) Cele |
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help me keep my son from perpetuating the cycle of abuse (very long)
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:48:59 -0500, 'Kate
wrote: Worse than a vulture pickin' on carrion. Glad to see you back, Kate. I hope you are doing as well as possible. I think of you. And oh, btw, this was beautifully expressed. :-) Cele And I'm still wondering if I spelled carrion correctly. :-\. Heh. You got it right....spelling and similie both. :-) We're doing ok. I'm very good at denial. LOL Sometimes it pays to be. But not for longer than necessary. I'm glad it's workin' for ya. I think of you often. I'll watch for you on Trillian, now that the LAN is up and running and thoroughly rebuilt. Thinking of you too... when ya moving? g Heh. Still here. Can't move, even if I wanted to. I paid a tax professional to do my taxes for lo these many years, and Revenue Canada has decided they were done wrong two years ago and I'm in debt to them for forty five hundred. Yeah, right. They want to garnishee my wages. Luckily I'm technically unemployed right now. I'm going to try to negotiate a payback schedule, I guess. What else can I do? But I'm ****ed as far as the huge return I was previously expecting is concerned. Too bad there's no tax deduction for massive financial hits due to doiing the right thing by your kid, huh? Ah well. [wry smile] I'm thinking of you, Kate. Take good care of you and yours. Cele |
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help me keep my son from perpetuating the cycle of abuse (very long)
CME wrote:
Excuse me? I do not put up with their so called bull****, I'm not going to repeat myself over and over... nor am I going to try and change what they think or post. I've said my peice about Paul et al. and their attack on you, and that is all I'm going to do. Just because I chose to now ignore the onslaught, does not mean I support them. Then my words don't apply to you. I'm sorry Lorian, but you're being foolish by thinking you can. But you still need to say something about how stupid they sound when they call me disgusting names and pick on me when I'm down, it wouldn't be right to just let them get by with going unchallenged. So, you did that, thank you. What I am objecting to is how others here choose to take their side and blame me instead, again, that does not apply to you. |
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Betsy wrote:
Okay, I HAVE been abused. I have to say that I agree with what these folks are saying to the extent of ignoring it. As my mother once had a T-shirt that said, "Don't let the *******s get you down." YOU have the power to not read the posts. You are not listening to me when I say that I feel a deep need to not turn my back on dangerous people like Tom who has threatened to take his harassment of me offline and has in fact done so twice and he knows my real name and location so he has the power to carry through. You people aren't going to defend me so obviously I have to defend myself. Gee, I'm so busy worrying about him now I've forgotten all about my son. If you allow yourself to be hurt by petty name calling, you are allowing yourself to be a victim. Petty name calling? ****, bitch, these are petty name calling? No, these are gender specific slurs, he most definitely singles out women for his hate as he has a really twisted woman hating issues. Feeling pain when men attack me is not my fault, duh. Tom and Paul are quite capable of choosing who they attack and they are quite capable of stopping their behavior, it is their responsibility, not mine. You can not be victimized if you will not allow it. Lack of control over being hurt is the very definition of victim. Why am I the only one who seems to get this? If you don't want to stand up to Tom and Paul that is your prerogative but don't give me this highly developed argument about how it is all my fault that they are making fun of my mental illness and of my feminist ideals and of my gender because I refuse to ignore them. I have been called cold hearted, and a bitch more often than I can count; mostly by people who meet the profile of an abuser. Mainly because I stand up for myself. um, I stand up for myself too... They don't like it if they can't hurt you. If it hurts your feelings, don't let them see it. It took me awhile, but I got there. You can too. It's likely more difficult for you because of the extent of abuse, and the mental illness, but it is not impossible. You may think I am attacking you, or assigning the blame to you, but actually this is an attempt at empowerment. I will probably be criticized for it. I don't really care. If you hear the meaning in my words, fine. If not, I can do nothing more. Good Luck. Betsy I can see that you are trying to help me and I take your advice in the spirit with which it is intended but when I am told to ignore the abuser and that it is my fault they are abusing me what I hear is "shut up and take the abuse like a good girl" and it just makes me want to point and scream. See? |
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