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Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests --Jon Rappaport talks to retired vaccine researcher



 
 
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Old October 27th 10, 03:15 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
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Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests
04/18/2008
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.p... 87&Itemid=71
By Jon Rappoport.
A retired vaccine researcher goes public on what the pharmaceutical industry and the health authorities don't want us to know: that
vaccines are unsafe, untested and one of the greatest frauds of our time.

"...no proper long-term studies are done on any vaccines using a control group. Part of what I mean is, no correct and deep
follow-up is done, taking into account the fact that vaccins can induce, over time, various symptoms and serious problems which fall
outside the range of the disease for which the person was vaccinated. Again, the assumption is made that vaccines do not cause
problems. So why should anyone check? On top of that, a vaccine reaction is defined so that all bad reactions are said to occur very
soon after the shot is given. But that does not make sense."

"...the burden of proof in establishing the safety and efficacy of vaccines is on the people who manufacture and license them for
public use. Just that. The burden of proof is not on you or me. And for proof you need well-designed, long-term studies. You need
extensive follow-up. You need to interview mothers and pay attention to what mothers say about their babies and what happens to them
after vaccination. You need all these things --the things that are not there."

"...If I had a child now, the last thing I would allow is vaccintion. I would move out of the state if I had to. I would change the
family name. I would disappear. With my family. I'm not saying it would come to that. There are ways to sidestep the system with
grace, if you know how to act. There are exemptions you can declare, in every State, basedon religious and/or philosophic views. But
if push came to shove, I would go on the move."

"In America there are groups of mothers who are testifying about autism and childhood vaccines. They are coming forward and standing
up at meetings. They are essentially trying to fill the gap that has been created by the researchers and doctors who turn their
backs on the whole thing."

--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"There are known knowns - there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns - that is to say, there are things that we know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns - there are things we don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld



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Old October 27th 10, 03:32 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
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Default Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests --Jon Rappaport talks toretired vaccine researcher

On 10/26/10 10:15 PM, carole wrote:
Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests
04/18/2008
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.p... 87&Itemid=71
By Jon Rappoport.
A retired vaccine researcher goes public on what the pharmaceutical industry and the health authorities don't want us to know: that
vaccines are unsafe, untested and one of the greatest frauds of our time.


Tell that to all those people who died of small pox last year. What?
Thanks to vaccines, there are none. THere are far fewer cases of
mealses, mumps, rubella-related birth defects, chicken pox, polio, Hib
invasive disease and other diseases thanks to vaccines, as well.

Please keep your anti-vaccine, anti-children crap off the news groups.

Jeff

rest of garbage deleted
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Old October 27th 10, 06:19 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
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Default Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests --Jon Rappaport talks to retired vaccine researcher


"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 10/26/10 10:15 PM, carole wrote:
Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests
04/18/2008
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.p... 87&Itemid=71
By Jon Rappoport.
A retired vaccine researcher goes public on what the pharmaceutical industry and the health authorities don't want us to know:
that
vaccines are unsafe, untested and one of the greatest frauds of our time.


Tell that to all those people who died of small pox last year. What? Thanks to vaccines, there are none. THere are far fewer cases
of mealses, mumps, rubella-related birth defects, chicken pox, polio, Hib invasive disease and other diseases thanks to vaccines,
as well.

Please keep your anti-vaccine, anti-children crap off the news groups.


Excuse me Jeff, but important little facts like vaccinations never having been scientifically tested to show they are safe, are
important.
You would be the first to say that alternative medicine was crap and that it had never been tested.
Well here we have an allopathic modality that has never been scientifically tested.
You lot can't take what you dish out.


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22




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Old October 27th 10, 06:53 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 10/26/10 10:15 PM, carole wrote:
Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests
04/18/2008
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.p... 87&Itemid=71
By Jon Rappoport.
A retired vaccine researcher goes public on what the pharmaceutical industry and the health authorities don't want us to know:
that
vaccines are unsafe, untested and one of the greatest frauds of our time.


Tell that to all those people who died of small pox last year. What? Thanks to vaccines, there are none. THere are far fewer cases
of mealses, mumps, rubella-related birth defects, chicken pox, polio, Hib invasive disease and other diseases thanks to vaccines,
as well.

Please keep your anti-vaccine, anti-children crap off the news groups.


You put your anti-alternative medicine crap on the alternative health newsgroup.


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to certain sensitive
topics. "Slides" is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead-ends a person's thinking, and terminates debate or
examination of the topic. For example, the mention of the word "conspiracy" usually solicits a slide response with many
eople. -Fritz Springmeier (author)





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Old October 27th 10, 08:31 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
Martin[_4_]
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Default Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests --Jon Rappaport talks to retired vaccine researcher

On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:19:08 +1100, "carole"
wrote:


"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 10/26/10 10:15 PM, carole wrote:
Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests
04/18/2008
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.p... 87&Itemid=71
By Jon Rappoport.
A retired vaccine researcher goes public on what the pharmaceutical industry and the health authorities don't want us to know:
that
vaccines are unsafe, untested and one of the greatest frauds of our time.


Tell that to all those people who died of small pox last year. What? Thanks to vaccines, there are none. THere are far fewer cases
of mealses, mumps, rubella-related birth defects, chicken pox, polio, Hib invasive disease and other diseases thanks to vaccines,
as well.

Please keep your anti-vaccine, anti-children crap off the news groups.


Excuse me Jeff, but important little facts like vaccinations never having been scientifically tested to show they are safe, are
important.


Why? I though science could not prove anything? Or is science suddenly
important when it is convenient to you?

You would be the first to say that alternative medicine was crap and that it had never been tested.
Well here we have an allopathic modality that has never been scientifically tested.
You lot can't take what you dish out.


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Old October 28th 10, 11:37 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
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Default Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests --Jon Rappaport talks to retired vaccine researcher


"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:32:45 -0400, in misc.health.alternative,
dr_jeff wrote:

On 10/26/10 10:15 PM, carole wrote:
Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests
04/18/2008
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.p... 87&Itemid=71
By Jon Rappoport.
A retired vaccine researcher goes public on what the pharmaceutical industry and the health authorities don't want us to know:
that
vaccines are unsafe, untested and one of the greatest frauds of our time.


Tell that to all those people who died of small pox last year. What?
Thanks to vaccines, there are none. THere are far fewer cases of
mealses, mumps, rubella-related birth defects, chicken pox, polio, Hib
invasive disease and other diseases thanks to vaccines, as well.


Points to Tetanus death rates last year. compares to pre-vaccine era.



Please keep your anti-vaccine, anti-children crap off the news groups.
rest of garbage deleted


What about the correlation between autism and increase in vaccinations?


Thank you.


For being a moron?



--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
. com


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22



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Old October 29th 10, 05:45 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
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Default Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests --Jon Rappaport talks to retired vaccine researcher

"carole" wrote in
d.com:

What about the correlation between autism and increase in
vaccinations?


There is no correlation between autism and increase in vaccinations. You
might just as well claim that there is a correlation between increased rate
of ice-cream sales and deaths by drowning in the Scandinavian countries.

--
The trouble with the World is that the stupid are so confident
while the intelligent are full of doubt. -Bertrand Russell
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Old October 29th 10, 08:37 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
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"Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39...
"carole" wrote in
d.com:

What about the correlation between autism and increase in
vaccinations?


There is no correlation between autism and increase in vaccinations. You
might just as well claim that there is a correlation between increased rate
of ice-cream sales and deaths by drowning in the Scandinavian countries.


There is an increase in autism.
There is an increase in vaccination.
Therefore a correlation.


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"Nothing would be what it is, Because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise: what it is, it wouldn't be. And what it
wouldn't be, it would. You see?"
-Alice's Adventures In Wonderland, 1865, Lewis Carroll, English writer and mathematician.



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Old October 29th 10, 08:54 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
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Default Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests --Jon Rappaport talks to retired vaccine researcher

"carole" wrote in
d.com:

There is no correlation between autism and increase in vaccinations.
You might just as well claim that there is a correlation between
increased rate of ice-cream sales and deaths by drowning in the
Scandinavian countries.


There is an increase in autism.
There is an increase in vaccination.
Therefore a correlation.


Your logic is faulty.

There is an increase of ice-cream sales in Scandinavian countries.
There is an increase of deaths by drowning deaths in Scandinavian
countries.
No correlation.

You see, during winter it's cold in those countries, people don't buy
much ice-cream and the waters are frozen. Ice-cream sales increase
during summer months when the weather is warm. As the waters are no
longer frozen, people drown more often, as they go swimming and boating,
than during the winter months. So there is no correlation between the
two: increased ice-cream sales do not cause more deaths by drowning.

You're simply seeing a correlation where there is none.


Besides all that, your resistance to learning is really something else.
Could you finally try to understand where the increase in autism
spectrum disorders comes from? It comes from the increased criteria in
diagnosing autism spectrum disorders.

--
The trouble with the World is that the stupid are so confident
while the intelligent are full of doubt. -Bertrand Russell
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Old October 29th 10, 10:44 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,alt.health,misc.kids.health
carole
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Default Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests --Jon Rappaport talks to retired vaccine researcher


"Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39...
"carole" wrote in
d.com:

There is no correlation between autism and increase in vaccinations.
You might just as well claim that there is a correlation between
increased rate of ice-cream sales and deaths by drowning in the
Scandinavian countries.


There is an increase in autism.
There is an increase in vaccination.
Therefore a correlation.


Your logic is faulty.

There is an increase of ice-cream sales in Scandinavian countries.
There is an increase of deaths by drowning deaths in Scandinavian
countries.
No correlation.


My understanding of the word "correlation" is two things that happen in tandem or simultaneously.
They don't have to prove that they are connected, merely that they happen at the same rate.

If two things happen at the same rate they are said to show a correlation.
Then it is up to the researchers to work out if there is a causal connection.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/correlation
Statistics . the degree to which two or more attributes or measurements on the same group of elements show a tendency to vary
together.
statistics the extent of correspondence between the ordering of two variables. Correlation is positive or direct when two variables
move in the same direction and negative or inverse when they move in opposite directions


You see, during winter it's cold in those countries, people don't buy
much ice-cream and the waters are frozen. Ice-cream sales increase
during summer months when the weather is warm. As the waters are no
longer frozen, people drown more often, as they go swimming and boating,
than during the winter months. So there is no correlation between the
two: increased ice-cream sales do not cause more deaths by drowning.

You're simply seeing a correlation where there is none.


You're confusing correlation with direct relationship.

Besides all that, your resistance to learning is really something else.
Could you finally try to understand where the increase in autism
spectrum disorders comes from? It comes from the increased criteria in
diagnosing autism spectrum disorders.


The following website has a good coverage of vaccination topics.
In this article they try to find adults with autism, which would show that the numbers have always been there just differently
diagnosed. However, they didn't find them.

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...veyautismlink/
Survey Authors Couldn't Find Enough Adult Autistics
"There were early rumours in 2008 the authors could not find numbers of adult ASC cases matching numbers in children."

It seems there is a massive coverup on vaccination dangers.
The government won't admit anything, the files have to be prised open, nobody is admitting anything. Yet there does seem to be a lot
of damming data.

--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"There are known knowns - there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns - that is to say, there are things that we know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns - there are things we don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld




 




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