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SSRIs more harm than good?
True, I am not a physician. But if you think that death to an innocent
person is going overboard, I am surely at the bottom of the ocean. I do not know if you understand. It is not the person taking the anti-depressant I am concerned about, usually they are helped. The p roblem is all stimulants, including all anti-depressants have the uncanny ability to transfer harm by a MIND / BODY connection to a friend or relative and this in spite of distance. Never in the history of the world has there been such an unknown side effect that play only off the mind and stimulant. Dr. Burrill crohn did not try to solve the mystery for nothing. It has become a raging problem since his fultile efforts in 1932. Astute observation reveals the problem and it is a sad one if it involves a person you love, and it involves thousands in the last fifty years in nursing homes, children with Inflammatory Bowel Disease, physicians have died from crohns etc. I can talk forever on the subject and wish I could reveal a world figure that has benefitted from what I say. Sincerely Gail Michael Incidentally, anti-depressants and marijuana are stimulants. As a doctor. |
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SSRIs more harm than good?
news.chi.sbcglobal.net wrote:
True, I am not a physician. But if you think that death to an innocent person is going overboard, I am surely at the bottom of the ocean. I do not know if you understand. It is not the person taking the anti-depressant I am concerned about, usually they are helped. The p roblem is all stimulants, including all anti-depressants have the uncanny ability to transfer harm by a MIND / BODY connection to a friend or relative and this in spite of distance. Never in the history of the world has there been such an unknown side effect that play only off the mind and stimulant. Dr. Burrill crohn did not try to solve the mystery for nothing. It has become a raging problem since his fultile efforts in 1932. Astute observation reveals the problem and it is a sad one if it involves a person you love, and it involves thousands in the last fifty years in nursing homes, children with Inflammatory Bowel Disease, physicians have died from crohns etc. I can talk forever on the subject and wish I could reveal a world figure that has benefitted from what I say. Sincerely Gail Michael Incidentally, anti-depressants and marijuana are stimulants. As a doctor. "The mind-body connection" refers to the effects of the mind and body on each other, not to some sort of mental telepathy capable of spreading contagious diseases. Besides, depression is simply not contagious. Therapists tell their patients not to worry about making other people depressed; it doesn't happen. And I don't need to ask a doctor to know that stimulants are distinct from antidepressants and marijuana; that's common knowledge (widely available) as well as common sense. Marijuana and many antidepressants tend to help people get to sleep. Any book about pharmacology lists stimulants, antidepressants, and hallucinogens separately. (Look up stimulants on Wikipedia.) I know nothing of Burrill Crohn's futile efforts in 1932, but depression is a frequent concomitant of IBD and I'm sure interactions of antidepressants with medicines prescribed for IBD are well investigated. How you can imagine that harm to distant friends and relatives is caused by the successful treatment of a patient with depression is utterly inconceivable to me. Ordinarily, sympathy for somebody in distress ought to arouse compassion or grief, but not "harm" or depression. I've known many people suffering from both bowel diseases and mood disorders and can well understand feeling "at the bottom of the ocean," but striking out at the best efforts of the healing profession is more likely to cause distress than comfort to people whose only recourse is to trust their doctors and hope for the best. We all share a common duty above all to do no harm. -- Marshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c |
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SSRIs more harm than good?
Marshall Price wrote:
"The mind-body connection" refers to the effects of the mind and body on each other, not to some sort of mental telepathy capable of spreading contagious diseases. Besides, depression is simply not contagious. Therapists tell their patients not to worry about making other people depressed; it doesn't happen. I believe the opposite to be true and this reference seems to support my point of view. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12217095 However, I don't think that we should get paranoid about the fact and exaggerate the effect in the way the previous poster did. Ordinarily, sympathy for somebody in distress ought to arouse compassion or grief, but not "harm" or depression. I agree. -- Juhana Ravintoblogini: http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/ |
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SSRIs more harm than good?
Juhana Harju wrote:
Marshall Price wrote: "The mind-body connection" refers to the effects of the mind and body on each other, not to some sort of mental telepathy capable of spreading contagious diseases. Besides, depression is simply not contagious. Therapists tell their patients not to worry about making other people depressed; it doesn't happen. I believe the opposite to be true and this reference seems to support my point of view. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12217095 However, I don't think that we should get paranoid about the fact and exaggerate the effect in the way the previous poster did. Ordinarily, sympathy for somebody in distress ought to arouse compassion or grief, but not "harm" or depression. I agree. It only shows correlation, not causation, and it says so. There's a difference between mutual experience and contagion. Besides, just look at all the complicating factors (recent vision loss, family conflict, poor health, etc.)! And of course, there's no action at a distance as the original poster suggested. Also, note that this is a study of depressive affect similarity, not clinical depression, and the original poster suggested that the antidepressants actually worked, yet somehow harmed a distant person who wasn't getting them, through a mind-body connection. When I said "not to worry about making other people depressed," I wasn't thinking about spouses living together and sharing hardships, I was thinking of how people react when they witness sadness in a stranger. If you're depressed, you shouldn't sit alone in your room out of a groundless fear that your depression will spread to others. The simple fact is, it doesn't work that way. Other people are more likely to feel glad they're not in your shoes. ------- 1: Aging Ment Health. 2002 Aug;6(3):266-74. Is it contagious? Affect similarity among spouses. Goodman CR, Shippy RA. Arlene R. Gordon Research Institute, Lighthouse International, New York, NY 10022-1202, USA. Theories of emotional contagion suggest that spouses mutually experience affective or emotional states. However, empirical support for this theory is limited. Using a dyadic approach, this study examines affect similarity of depressive symptoms between elders with vision impairment and their spouses. As part of an investigation on older couples dealing with disability, 123 elders dealing with a recent vision loss and their spouses were interviewed. Guided by a stress process model, predictors of spouse depressive symptoms were examined. Hierarchical regression analyses revealed that the spouse's race, health, care-giving appraisal, self-efficacy, conflict with other family members regarding their partner, and their partner's depressive symptoms significantly predicted spouse depression. Specifically, spouses who were white, in poorer health, experienced more care-giving burden, had more family conflict, and poorer self-efficacy, were more likely to be depressed. Entered in the final step, elder depression uniquely contributed to the prediction of spouse depression. This points to affect similarity among spouses, which suggests that when one spouse is depressed, the other spouse is likely to experience a similar depressive symptomatology. PMID: 12217095 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------- -- Marshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c |
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