birth control and bfing

"Mom2Aries" wrote in message
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But I've noticed that a lot of women don't understand how the IUD works...
for me, I could never use it because I'm, I guess, too moral.

Please. Plenty of people with strong morals use the IUD. They just have
*different* morals than you.
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I thought it also made it harder for the sperm to get to the egg.
Susan

Mom2Aries wrote:
I'm a loud mouth who always has to say something when the IUD is brought up,
never have learned to be quiet. But I don't want to offend anyone so I'm
sorry ahead of time if I do.

But I've noticed that a lot of women don't understand how the IUD works...
for me, I could never use it because I'm, I guess, too moral.

The IUD doesn't prevent fertilization or supress ovulation, like most birth
controls do (one of the other). In fact, you can get pregnant several times
with the IUD, but then have your period so think nothing of it... because
basically what the IUD does is abort any fertilized egg. Granted it's
probably very quickly, but still, the possibility of aborting a baby every
month is frightening to me. And I cna't see how that could be good for your
body in the long run.

Like I said, I don't mean to anger anyone :-) I was contemplating the IUD
for a while, and even without this tidbit, I had decided against it, can't
stand the thought of soemthing being stuck into my uterus. LOL

Circe wrote:

Dawn Lawson wrote:

Circe wrote:


Susan wrote:


Was it painful to insert the IUD?


A little pinch, basically. The part that was the most uncomfortable
was the "sounding" of the uterus, where the practitioner checks to
determine the angle of the uterus prior to insertion. When my
midwife actually

....?


Not sure what your ? is for?

You seemed to end in mid sentence.


How much do they cost?


I've been told it's around $400. Averaged over 10 years, that's
pretty cheap, though!

And that's for the Mirena, right? A "normal" IUD without the hormones
is substantially less, around $60, iirc.


That little? Hmmmm. I was under the impression that the Copper T ran about
$400, including the insertion itself. But I could be completely off-base.
$60 would seem low to me if you include the cost of actually doing the
insertion procedure (I'd think the procedure itself would run at LEAST the
cost of a typical office visit, or roundabout $75.)

Not charged for here, universal health care.
we dispensed NovaT IUD's for around $60, iirc.

Dawn

Mom2Aries wrote:

Well I do understand that your body can spontaneously abort several times...
but to me, that's a natural occurance and in my opinion obviously meant to
happen. But putting something into my body that would do this, and not a
natural thing, is a little different in my mind.

You're aware that some women concieve WITH an IUD? One could surmise
that if it is meant to be it will, regardless.


ANd this time around, it's not me skewing the facts, I was apparently told
wrong about how an IUD works.

Kudos to you for saying that so freely. :-)

But even still, like I said, I couldnt' have
something stuck into my uterus. :-)

Your choice.


Sorry though.

NBD.

Doesn't matter for me, I have the best method... no sex

hmmm, not sure that's "best", but certainly very effective.
Though...there IS some precidence.....

Dawn

Dawn Lawson wrote:
Circe wrote:
Dawn Lawson wrote:
Circe wrote:
Susan wrote:
Was it painful to insert the IUD?

A little pinch, basically. The part that was the most uncomfortable
was the "sounding" of the uterus, where the practitioner checks to
determine the angle of the uterus prior to insertion. When my
midwife actually

....?

Not sure what your ? is for?

You seemed to end in mid sentence.

Haha, I see. I think I *did* end mid-sentence.

When my midwife actually inserted it, I didn't feel a thing. She said, "It's
done" while I was still gearing up to feel the discomfort.

How much do they cost?

I've been told it's around $400. Averaged over 10 years, that's
pretty cheap, though!

And that's for the Mirena, right? A "normal" IUD without the
hormones is substantially less, around $60, iirc.

That little? Hmmmm. I was under the impression that the Copper T ran
about $400, including the insertion itself. But I could be
completely off-base. $60 would seem low to me if you include the
cost of actually doing the insertion procedure (I'd think the
procedure itself would run at LEAST the cost of a typical office
visit, or roundabout $75.)

Not charged for here, universal health care.

Well, *somebody's* paying for it, somehow, somewhere. Universal healthcare,
while I admire it greatly and think we should have it in the US, isn't free!

we dispensed NovaT IUD's for around $60, iirc.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.
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Circe wrote:
Dawn Lawson wrote:


You seemed to end in mid sentence.


Haha, I see. I think I *did* end mid-sentence.

When my midwife actually inserted it, I didn't feel a thing. She said, "It's
done" while I was still gearing up to feel the discomfort.

Ah, ok, I retract my ? now ;-)


Not charged for here, universal health care.


Well, *somebody's* paying for it, somehow, somewhere. Universal healthcare,
while I admire it greatly and think we should have it in the US, isn't free!

we pay a health care bill whether you ever use the facilities and skills
or not. The point relevent to this thread is that there isn't an office
charge levied at "point of sale" for things like IUD insertion, nor for
most other things. Things like physicals for insurance or drivers
license requirements (truckers, etc) are charged for.



we dispensed NovaT IUD's for around $60, iirc.


Interesting. Thanks for the info.

the Mirena is MUCH more expensive, I was shocked when I saw the price of
the first one we ordered in!!

I'm curious about the contraceptive patch for women as the pharmacist I
used to work with assured me that the side effects of transdermal
hormones were far far lower than oral. (Not that it matters much to me,
right now.)

Circe wrote:
Dawn Lawson wrote:

Circe wrote:


Susan wrote:


Was it painful to insert the IUD?


A little pinch, basically. The part that was the most uncomfortable
was the "sounding" of the uterus, where the practitioner checks to
determine the angle of the uterus prior to insertion. When my
midwife actually

....?


Not sure what your ? is for? If you mean to ask what "sounding" is,
basically the practitioner has to insert a probe into the uterus to
determine where the IUD should "go". I don't completely understand how it's
done, but that was definitely the worst part for me.

How much do they cost?


I've been told it's around $400. Averaged over 10 years, that's
pretty cheap, though!

And that's for the Mirena, right? A "normal" IUD without the hormones
is substantially less, around $60, iirc.


That little? Hmmmm. I was under the impression that the Copper T ran about
$400, including the insertion itself. But I could be completely off-base.
$60 would seem low to me if you include the cost of actually doing the
insertion procedure (I'd think the procedure itself would run at LEAST the
cost of a typical office visit, or roundabout $75.)

Having the Mirena inserted was about $650. It lasts 5 years, and so is
cheaper than Depo (my insurance doesn't pay for either.)

I don't know the price of any other IUD.

Clisby

Susan wrote:
I think not having a period anymore is a bonus also.

I won't be trying to get pg again so maybe it's the one for me. My main
concern is my milk supply.

ox
Susan


By the way, I'm not trying to persudade you to use Depo - I wish I had
gone with the IUD from the beginning. But I didn't have problems with
Depo, and I'd way rather get a shot every month than have to take a pill
every day. The IUD would have been even less trouble, though.

Clisby

I'm a loud mouth who always has to say something when the IUD is brought up,
never have learned to be quiet. But I don't want to offend anyone so I'm
sorry ahead of time if I do.

And I admire you for speaking up, because I wanted to say something and didn't.

I have never heard of the research that Helen referenced; I hope it is true.
But I recently researched this issue myself for a column I was writing, and the
websites for hormonal methods of birth control (Depo included) admitted that
they may work as abortifacients.
www.orthowomenshealth.com/birthguide/options

I found various claims regarding the abortifacient effects of the IUD
elsewhere; one package insert I read said that they weren't really sure how/why
it works! Another said one of its mechanisms was thinning the lining of the
uterus; I assume this is the way it would prevent implantation of the
fertilized egg.

My column is at
www.etcatholic.com/dec7/sholly.htm
for anyone who is concerned about very early abortions.

Leslie

"Mom2Aries" wrote in message news:N1IKb.751605$HS4.5897373@attbi_s01...

Like I said, I don't mean to anger anyone :-) I was contemplating the IUD
for a while, and even without this tidbit, I had decided against it, can't
stand the thought of soemthing being stuck into my uterus. LOL

Well, as several others have said, the current medical research thinks
that it doesn't work by merely preventing implantation. However -

I have an IUD, and I love it. Talk about a completely easy method. I
never have to remember to take a birth control pill, or go get regular
shots, I never have to worry about the condom breaking, or putting it
in before we have sex. It's good for 5 years (I have the mirena, and
because it's got tiny amounts of hormones it doesn't cause excess
bleeding, and in some women their periods get very light).

But, I don't mind having it in my uterus. I couldn't stand the idea
of a needle in my spine (epidural) but having plastic in my uterus was
no biggie. The only drawback is that my husband is very occasionally
poked by the strings when we have sex.

Cathy Weeks
Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01