upset at nanny -- vent

"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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snippage of cool post

We put the stroller with a sleeping child in front of a restaurant outside
the windows while we have lunch inside if we can sit next to the window
and
see the stroller. No problem. In New York a Danish woman doing so was put
in
prison some years ago and her completely breastfed baby taken from her for
four days. When the baby was returned she was very hoarse and hungry. My
whole country (okay - only 5 mill, but it's all we have) was in an uproar.

I remember that! It happened in NYC, I believe and I was living upstate at
the time. What a culture clash. Very unfortunate for the family. Is it
just Denmark that does this? I thought when I was in Norway and Sweden I
also saw this as well.

"melizabeth" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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snippage of cool post

We put the stroller with a sleeping child in front of a restaurant
outside
the windows while we have lunch inside if we can sit next to the window
and
see the stroller. No problem. In New York a Danish woman doing so was
put
in
prison some years ago and her completely breastfed baby taken from her
for
four days. When the baby was returned she was very hoarse and hungry. My
whole country (okay - only 5 mill, but it's all we have) was in an
uproar.

I remember that! It happened in NYC, I believe and I was living upstate
at
the time. What a culture clash. Very unfortunate for the family. Is it
just Denmark that does this? I thought when I was in Norway and Sweden I
also saw this as well.

I believe it could be done just as well in Norway and Sweden.

Tine, Denmark (who's off to read to the 11 yo DD who reads perfectly well
herself but loves to snuggle in Moms bed and have bedtime story)

"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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African Americans are black, not all blacks are African Americans.
So sometimes the term is used to differntiate between blacks of US
ancestry
and Africans, Caribbean blacks, South American blacks, etc.

....and they are not even black - mostly they are light brown. :-)

In Denmark there are so few that we only recently have started to
diffentiate between Africans and Americans - and we wouldn't even
think
about the rest. They are simply negroes.

But of course you are right.

lol
In spanish the word is "negro" as well, and "negrito" is a term of
endearment.
Have to be careful when using it though!

"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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African Americans are black, not all blacks are African Americans.
So sometimes the term is used to differntiate between blacks of US
ancestry
and Africans, Caribbean blacks, South American blacks, etc.

....and they are not even black - mostly they are light brown. :-)

In Denmark there are so few that we only recently have started to
diffentiate between Africans and Americans - and we wouldn't even
think
about the rest. They are simply negroes.

But of course you are right.

lol
In spanish the word is "negro" as well, and "negrito" is a term of
endearment.
Have to be careful when using it though!

It's not 'negro' in Danish - it's 'neger'. But it's the same word.

Tine, Denmark

Tine Andersen wrote:

I can give you one: In Denmark religion is something VERY private.

I WISH we were like that in the US...

We are not
whatnot-challenged - ever. People who can't hear are deaf,

I'm hearing-impaired (I do use, and need, close-captioning), but I am not
deaf. There's a range of hearing loss.

. Homosexual men are
gay ('bøsse' in Danish meaning 'gun'.) Used to be derogatory, but the
gay people started to use it and thereby took the sting out of it.

I'm not aware that "gay" is a derogatory term in the US. I'd consider
"homosexual" to be worse, but perhaps that's just because I hear it in my
mind in a Southern-Baptist-preacher type voice ; )


We put the stroller with a sleeping child in front of a restaurant
outside the windows while we have lunch inside if we can sit next to
the window and see the stroller. No problem. In New York a Danish
woman doing so was put in prison some years ago and her completely
breastfed baby taken from her for four days.

I get that there's a cultural difference at play here, but, good lord, to me
that just sounds like a horrible thing to do. But I'm an American, and I was
raised on random violence. I can see why you Danes were upset, but on the
other hand, that wasn't a safe thing to do in the country she happened to be
in.


No-one homeschools. SAHM is only seen if they are un-employed. Or
only for short periods.

So if you want to raise your children yourself, are you looked down on?

--
tristyn
www.tristyn.net
"i have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
i do not think that they will sing to me."

"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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African Americans are black, not all blacks are African
Americans.
So sometimes the term is used to differntiate between blacks
of US
ancestry
and Africans, Caribbean blacks, South American blacks, etc.

....and they are not even black - mostly they are light brown.
:-)

In Denmark there are so few that we only recently have started
to
diffentiate between Africans and Americans - and we wouldn't
even
think
about the rest. They are simply negroes.

But of course you are right.

lol
In spanish the word is "negro" as well, and "negrito" is a term of
endearment.
Have to be careful when using it though!

It's not 'negro' in Danish - it's 'neger'. But it's the same word.

The english translation of "neger' would be "black" not "negro" as
"negro" is basically
a euphemism for black. So calling black people "neger" is the
equivalent of calling them "black" here,
not "negro". Neger probably sounds like ******, which is a Bad Word.

iphigenia wrote:

Tine Andersen wrote:

I can give you one: In Denmark religion is something VERY private.


I WISH we were like that in the US...

and Canada. Though I think we're MORE like that here than in the US.



. Homosexual men are
gay ('bøsse' in Danish meaning 'gun'.) Used to be derogatory, but the
gay people started to use it and thereby took the sting out of it.


I'm not aware that "gay" is a derogatory term in the US.

Used to be more so, but the word used most like the one Tine is talking
about is "queer" which used to be derogatory til the queers took it over ;-)



We put the stroller with a sleeping child in front of a restaurant
outside the windows while we have lunch inside if we can sit next to
the window and see the stroller. No problem. In New York a Danish
woman doing so was put in prison some years ago and her completely
breastfed baby taken from her for four days.


I get that there's a cultural difference at play here, but, good lord, to me
that just sounds like a horrible thing to do.

*g* And to me, it sounds lovely. I'm starting to think I should up and
move to Australia or Denmark where the people shock less easily and
live more freely. ;-)

But I'm an American, and I was
raised on random violence.

Random and unlikely. If you don't count the children abducted by
parents or relatives, the number of kids "snatched" is VERY low. More
of the fear culture of parenting I am growing to loathe.

I can see why you Danes were upset, but on the
other hand, that wasn't a safe thing to do in the country she happened to be
in.


IMO, not really unsafe in the USA, just that NAmericans are highly
conditioned to FEEL unsafe. See above wrt abductions. I'm assuming
Tine is not talking about a seedy restaurant in a bad area of town, btw.
Just an ordinary cafe.


No-one homeschools. SAHM is only seen if they are un-employed. Or
only for short periods.


So if you want to raise your children yourself, are you looked down on?

I think there are far better social structures in place to allow work
and raising kids to mingle better than they do here (NAmerica), but I'm
interested on Tine's take on it.

Dawn

"iphigenia" skrev i en meddelelse
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Tine Andersen wrote:
We are not
whatnot-challenged - ever. People who can't hear are deaf,

I'm hearing-impaired (I do use, and need, close-captioning), but I am not
deaf. There's a range of hearing loss.

Yes, of course. We have a word for hearing-impaired as well (directly
translated: heavy-hearing). My BIL is deaf and my SIL is very
hearing-impaired, BTW. We use sign language and lip reading with both. Two
hearing children, though.

. Homosexual men are
gay ('bøsse' in Danish meaning 'gun'.) Used to be derogatory, but the
gay people started to use it and thereby took the sting out of it.

I'm not aware that "gay" is a derogatory term in the US. I'd consider
"homosexual" to be worse, but perhaps that's just because I hear it in my
mind in a Southern-Baptist-preacher type voice ; )

I know - but I couldn't find a more appropriate translation to English -
therefore the explanation.

We put the stroller with a sleeping child in front of a restaurant
outside the windows while we have lunch inside if we can sit next to
the window and see the stroller. No problem. In New York a Danish
woman doing so was put in prison some years ago and her completely
breastfed baby taken from her for four days.

I get that there's a cultural difference at play here, but, good lord, to
me
that just sounds like a horrible thing to do. But I'm an American, and I
was
raised on random violence. I can see why you Danes were upset, but on the
other hand, that wasn't a safe thing to do in the country she happened to
be
in.

And she didn't have the imagination to see that she shouldn't have. Normally
such a difference would result in a raised eyebrow (was that very smart to
do?) but prison??? Here you can have the same bike for years. People don't
usually have guns (only if they are criminal or member of a shooting club).
There is not an area in Copenhagen (capitol - not big, but all we have) that
I wouldn't walk in alone by day. And not many I wouldn't walk in by night.
Etc etc etc.

No-one homeschools. SAHM is only seen if they are un-employed. Or
only for short periods.

So if you want to raise your children yourself, are you looked down on?

Well not necessarily - maybe admired. It's very diffucult and society is not
built for it. It would be diffucult to receive social unemployment benefit
as you only can have that when you are available to the labour market, and
you're not if your kids are not in day care. You would have a hard time
convincing the lady at the social benefit office why you shouldn't work. Not
many salaries are big enough so that you can live on one. The taxes are
huge - they have to pay for free schools, hospitals, roads and doctors.
There would be no other kids for the kids to play with - all the rest are in
day care. There are many reasons.

Being quite frank: I would probably look down at someone who chose to let
her DH support her and stay at home. I would consider it lazy, I think.
You're supposed to provide for yourself. I myself would hate to stay at
home - I need the satisfaction my job gives me. I'm an acceptable mother,
but I'm not born to be a MOTHER, if you KWIM.

Tine, Denmark

"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
k...
"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
...

African Americans are black, not all blacks are African
Americans.
So sometimes the term is used to differntiate between blacks
of US
ancestry
and Africans, Caribbean blacks, South American blacks, etc.

....and they are not even black - mostly they are light brown.
:-)

In Denmark there are so few that we only recently have started
to
diffentiate between Africans and Americans - and we wouldn't
even
think
about the rest. They are simply negroes.

But of course you are right.

lol
In spanish the word is "negro" as well, and "negrito" is a term of
endearment.
Have to be careful when using it though!

It's not 'negro' in Danish - it's 'neger'. But it's the same word.

The english translation of "neger' would be "black" not "negro" as
"negro" is basically
a euphemism for black. So calling black people "neger" is the
equivalent of calling them "black" here,
not "negro". Neger probably sounds like ******, which is a Bad Word.

You are right - I checked my vocabulary - it's 'black'. Was negro a bad word
35 years ago? (read: when I learnt the word) Words tend to change meaning
over time. We wouldn't call a retarded person an 'idiot' any more - even
here in Denmark. But we still have a word for retarded, which directly
translates to 'mind-weak'.

Tine, Denmark

"Tine Andersen" wrote Being quite
frank: I would probably look down at someone who chose to let
her DH support her and stay at home. I would consider it lazy, I
think.
You're supposed to provide for yourself. I myself would hate to stay
at
home - I need the satisfaction my job gives me. I'm an acceptable
mother,
but I'm not born to be a MOTHER, if you KWIM.

You dont consider the tasks of maintaining a home and family o be
work? I find it
ironic when people approve of working as a daycare worker outside the
home for pay
but consider it laziness when the same job is performed in ones home.
Being a:
daycare worker
cook
housekeeper
are work when paid professsions, but laziness when same functions are
provided at home.