upset at nanny -- vent

"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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African Americans are black, not all blacks are African
Americans.
So sometimes the term is used to differntiate between
blacks
of US
ancestry
and Africans, Caribbean blacks, South American blacks,
etc.

....and they are not even black - mostly they are light
brown.
:-)

In Denmark there are so few that we only recently have
started
to
diffentiate between Africans and Americans - and we wouldn't
even
think
about the rest. They are simply negroes.

But of course you are right.

lol
In spanish the word is "negro" as well, and "negrito" is a
term of
endearment.
Have to be careful when using it though!

It's not 'negro' in Danish - it's 'neger'. But it's the same
word.

The english translation of "neger' would be "black" not "negro" as
"negro" is basically
a euphemism for black. So calling black people "neger" is the
equivalent of calling them "black" here,
not "negro". Neger probably sounds like ******, which is a Bad
Word.

You are right - I checked my vocabulary - it's 'black'. Was negro a
bad word
35 years ago?

No, negro was then standard usage. It changes.

(read: when I learnt the word) Words tend to change meaning
over time. We wouldn't call a retarded person an 'idiot' any more -
even
here in Denmark. But we still have a word for retarded, which
directly
translates to 'mind-weak'.

Retarded isnt exactly in favor here anymore either,lol. I think it now
falls under Mentally Handicapped or Developmentally Delayed.
Not that either term is intrinsically better, just that after being in
use for a while
the words tend to take ona negtive connotation and get replaced.

"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Tine Andersen" wrote Being quite
frank: I would probably look down at someone who chose to let
her DH support her and stay at home. I would consider it lazy, I
think.
You're supposed to provide for yourself. I myself would hate to stay
at
home - I need the satisfaction my job gives me. I'm an acceptable
mother,
but I'm not born to be a MOTHER, if you KWIM.

You dont consider the tasks of maintaining a home and family o be
work? I find it
ironic when people approve of working as a daycare worker outside the
home for pay
but consider it laziness when the same job is performed in ones home.
Being a:
daycare worker
cook
housekeeper
are work when paid professsions, but laziness when same functions are
provided at home.

I just cook, housekeep and clean BESIDES having a full time job. If I only
had to do that my house would be spotless, or I would spin, knit, sew and
weave which I don't consider work but play.

As it is now my house is not spotless, but we have home made dinner every
day. I don't have time for spinning, weaving, sewing etc, though. We are two
to do the work - we share quite equally.

Tine, Denmark

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:56:09 +0100, "Tine Andersen"
wrote:
I just cook, housekeep and clean BESIDES having a full time job. If I only
had to do that my house would be spotless, or I would spin, knit, sew and
weave which I don't consider work but play.

Trust me, no one's house is spotless just because they stay at home.
During the hours you are working "full time", what do you think stay
at home mothers are doing? Like the joke about the husband who comes
home and looks around and asks "So what did you do all day?" Our days
are full of taking care of our children, with children at home they
make messes. We don't just leave our nice clean house in the mornings
and come home to the same nice clean homes at night as working mothers
do...our homes are constantly lived in. Our children are being
interacted with, taught, doing arts/crafts, eating... The way I see it
working out of the house is the easy thing to do as far as how much
work is concerned. And I've been there so I know.
As for knitting/sewing, LMAO No stay-at-home moms *I* know have the
time for that.
Marie

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:01:51 +0000, Anne Rogers
wrote:
I think you guys all need the flylady

She just clogs up my deleted items folder. I did start cleaning the
sink at night though. I am not able to follow her rules, no willpower
to stick with it! I have my own system.
Marie

"Marie" skrev i en meddelelse
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:56:09 +0100, "Tine Andersen"
wrote:
I just cook, housekeep and clean BESIDES having a full time job. If I
only
had to do that my house would be spotless, or I would spin, knit, sew and
weave which I don't consider work but play.

Trust me, no one's house is spotless just because they stay at home.
During the hours you are working "full time", what do you think stay
at home mothers are doing? Like the joke about the husband who comes
home and looks around and asks "So what did you do all day?" Our days
are full of taking care of our children, with children at home they
make messes. We don't just leave our nice clean house in the mornings
and come home to the same nice clean homes at night as working mothers
do...our homes are constantly lived in. Our children are being
interacted with, taught, doing arts/crafts, eating... The way I see it
working out of the house is the easy thing to do as far as how much
work is concerned. And I've been there so I know.
As for knitting/sewing, LMAO No stay-at-home moms *I* know have the
time for that.
Marie

The only SAHM I knew was my mother. She waved goodbye at eight in her house
coat, spent the whole morning reading the paper and drinking coffee and
waking up. At 11 she would tidy the house and do some shopping.

At 1-2 I would return and we might spend some time together, but not always.

She had one child - not many. If I were a SAHM I would have lots of time. My
kids go to school (I forgot about home schooling - mothering, house keeping
AND home schooling would certainly be a full time job - even in my opinion)
and they are 6 and 11 yo. They don't need my time the same way they used to.

I would enjoy it for approx 6 mos. I would tidy up all the cubboards, find
out what we hide in the attic, iron all my shirts when I wash them - not
when I need them, cook for the freezer and spin, sew and knit. Not weave as
it takes up too much space. It will have to wait until the kids have moved
away and I can use their rooms.

We live in a quite small house, and the kids know how to tidy up after
themselves (i wrote 'know how' not 'will willingly do').

Tine, Denmark

I think you guys all need the flylady

www.flylady.net

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:14:54 -0700, "Nina"
wrote:
lol
I sewed some baby clothes for my daughter 9 years ago and didnt touch
the machine again Had no time
If I worked my home would be cleaner, but Im in it so much its
constantly being used.

That's it exactly. When we all go out somewhere after I've done the
dishes and cleaned up, it's so wonderful coming back home and seeing
my clean house )
I once tried to hand-sew a dress when my second daughter was born
(don't have a machine). I got done and started putting it on her and
realized I forgot the arm-holes. I didn't use a pattern you see. Nice
straightjacket! I never tried to make anything useful again.
Marie

"Anne Rogers" skrev i en meddelelse
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I think you guys all need the flylady

www.flylady.net


I read that once - it made me clean my sink more often :-)

I don't mind my house not being spotless. At times I do mind (Christmas
Holiday: de-cluttered my whole basement) and then I find energy to do
something about it.

Tine, Denmark

"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
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"Tine Andersen" wrote Being quite
frank: I would probably look down at someone who chose to let
her DH support her and stay at home. I would consider it lazy, I
think.
You're supposed to provide for yourself. I myself would hate to
stay
at
home - I need the satisfaction my job gives me. I'm an
acceptable
mother,
but I'm not born to be a MOTHER, if you KWIM.

You dont consider the tasks of maintaining a home and family o be
work? I find it
ironic when people approve of working as a daycare worker outside
the
home for pay
but consider it laziness when the same job is performed in ones
home.
Being a:
daycare worker
cook
housekeeper
are work when paid professsions, but laziness when same functions
are
provided at home.

I just cook, housekeep and clean BESIDES having a full time job. If
I only
had to do that my house would be spotless, or I would spin, knit,
sew and
weave which I don't consider work but play.


Mine too! I sew, but it is work, since it tends to be things we need,
not just for fun.


As it is now my house is not spotless, but we have home made dinner
every
day. I don't have time for spinning, weaving, sewing etc, though. We
are two
to do the work - we share quite equally.

Here, a lot of us find that having 2 incomes doesnt help much. The 2nd
income is eaten
away by daycare, transportationa nd other costs. So its beneficial for
one person to stay home.
If one person provides money and one provides services, it may not be
equal or identical
but it is an equitable distribution of labor. Honestly, regarding
laziness, my husband could never afford
to pay someone for the services I render. If I were to work, my salary
wouldnt cover
child care
housework
laundry
etc.
Since we do have a small baby, i prefer to stay home and do these
things rather than work and pay someone for it.
With the number of kids we have, all the Drs appointments, school
meetings, housework etc, there really needs to be someone
home full time.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:24 +0100, "Tine Andersen"
wrote:
The only SAHM I knew was my mother. She waved goodbye at eight in her house
coat, spent the whole morning reading the paper and drinking coffee and
waking up. At 11 she would tidy the house and do some shopping.

Really that sounds so nice!

She had one child - not many. If I were a SAHM I would have lots of time. My
kids go to school (I forgot about home schooling - mothering, house keeping
AND home schooling would certainly be a full time job - even in my opinion)
and they are 6 and 11 yo. They don't need my time the same way they used to.

I have three, I guess that makes a difference. Also until they are 5
they'd be at home whether or not they are homeschooled (where I live
preschool isn't so common) So until then there wouuldn't be that much
time for cleaning, unless the mother just didn't spend much time with
the children doing things.

I would enjoy it for approx 6 mos. I would tidy up all the cubboards, find
out what we hide in the attic, iron all my shirts when I wash them - not
when I need them, cook for the freezer and spin, sew and knit. Not weave as
it takes up too much space. It will have to wait until the kids have moved
away and I can use their rooms.

I do some of that stuff now, with the kids at home(I don't iron or do
any type of needlework). It would certainly be easier if they were
away though! I love doing the freezer cooking

We live in a quite small house, and the kids know how to tidy up after
themselves (i wrote 'know how' not 'will willingly do').

Do they ever? When mine get old enough to finally do a certain chore,
after a few minutes of them starting it they complain about it and
never want to do it again. They love dusting and doing windows though,
and they do their own laundry. Laundry alone is a great help lol.
Marie