New Research: Negative effects of spanking

Smacking children can affect schooling

June 2, 2004
New Zealand Herald

Physical punishment of children is associated with anti-social behaviour
and poorer performance at school, according to a review of research by
Otago University's Children's Issues Centre.

The centre, commissioned by the Office of the Children's Commissioner,
surveyed more than 300 international research articles.

Lead researcher Professor Anne Smith said today the review found physical
punishment had only limited success in making children compliant and the
long-term effects were all negative.

"The literature is quite consistent in supporting the conclusion that
there is an association between the use of parental corporal punishment
and the development of anti-social behaviour in children," she said in a
statement.

Effects of smacking included:

- aggression, disruptive, delinquent and anti-social behaviour, violent
offending, and low peer status;

- poorer academic achievement including lower IQ, poorer performance on
achievement tests, poorer adjustment to school, more attention
deficit-like symptoms, and poorer self-esteem;

- diminished quality of parent-child relationships, with children likely
to be less securely attached to parents, and to feel fearful or hostile
towards them;

- increased depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and psychiatric
disorders.

Prof Smith said one of the problems highlighted by the review was the lack
of agreement over when physical punishment stepped over the line and
became abuse.

In contrast the research suggested principles of effective discipline
including:

- parental warmth, involvement and affectionate relationships;

- clear communication and messages to children, which are age-appropriate,
about why their behaviour is acceptable or not;

- providing fair, reasonable and clearly defined rules, boundaries and
expectations for behaviour;

- consistently following behaviours with appropriate consequences, rewards
or mild non-physical punishments such as time-out.

Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said the research had found that an
authoritative and firm parenting style, accompanied by warmth and
reasoning was associated with children's healthy social adjustment.

"This is important research because it gives parents evidence-based
information about the effects of physical punishment, as well as practical
alternatives."

Dr Kiro said a recent UNICEF report had shown New Zealand had the third
highest rate of deaths from child maltreatment among countries in the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The full research findings will be released at a seminar on the use of
physical punishment, organised by the Children's Issues Centre in
Wellington on June 18-19.

Chris,

This is another study that replicates the findings of what is now four
decades of spanking research. The evidence continues to mount, and the
results are consistent. Spanking is harmful! Spanking carries no
evidence of long-term success, and in many instances, the success is
limited even short-term.

Time to stop spanking, I think! There is no shred of scientific
evidence to support the practice, and sooner or later, this will be
recognized.

LaVonne

Chris wrote:
Smacking children can affect schooling

June 2, 2004
New Zealand Herald

Physical punishment of children is associated with anti-social behaviour
and poorer performance at school, according to a review of research by
Otago University's Children's Issues Centre.

The centre, commissioned by the Office of the Children's Commissioner,
surveyed more than 300 international research articles.

Lead researcher Professor Anne Smith said today the review found physical
punishment had only limited success in making children compliant and the
long-term effects were all negative.

"The literature is quite consistent in supporting the conclusion that
there is an association between the use of parental corporal punishment
and the development of anti-social behaviour in children," she said in a
statement.

Effects of smacking included:

- aggression, disruptive, delinquent and anti-social behaviour, violent
offending, and low peer status;

- poorer academic achievement including lower IQ, poorer performance on
achievement tests, poorer adjustment to school, more attention
deficit-like symptoms, and poorer self-esteem;

- diminished quality of parent-child relationships, with children likely
to be less securely attached to parents, and to feel fearful or hostile
towards them;

- increased depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and psychiatric
disorders.

Prof Smith said one of the problems highlighted by the review was the lack
of agreement over when physical punishment stepped over the line and
became abuse.

In contrast the research suggested principles of effective discipline
including:

- parental warmth, involvement and affectionate relationships;

- clear communication and messages to children, which are age-appropriate,
about why their behaviour is acceptable or not;

- providing fair, reasonable and clearly defined rules, boundaries and
expectations for behaviour;

- consistently following behaviours with appropriate consequences, rewards
or mild non-physical punishments such as time-out.

Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said the research had found that an
authoritative and firm parenting style, accompanied by warmth and
reasoning was associated with children's healthy social adjustment.

"This is important research because it gives parents evidence-based
information about the effects of physical punishment, as well as practical
alternatives."

Dr Kiro said a recent UNICEF report had shown New Zealand had the third
highest rate of deaths from child maltreatment among countries in the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The full research findings will be released at a seminar on the use of
physical punishment, organised by the Children's Issues Centre in
Wellington on June 18-19.

I would like to look at the original research instead of snippets from
a newspaper. What confounding factors have they controlled for?
And more importantly, did they compare the non-cp alternatives under
the same conditions? I wouldn't be surprised if, as with Straus &
Mouradian (1998), the association with anti-sociable behavior is
even stronger for non-cp alternatives.

Doan

On 2 Jun 2004, Chris wrote:


Smacking children can affect schooling

June 2, 2004
New Zealand Herald

Physical punishment of children is associated with anti-social behaviour
and poorer performance at school, according to a review of research by
Otago University's Children's Issues Centre.

The centre, commissioned by the Office of the Children's Commissioner,
surveyed more than 300 international research articles.

Lead researcher Professor Anne Smith said today the review found physical
punishment had only limited success in making children compliant and the
long-term effects were all negative.

"The literature is quite consistent in supporting the conclusion that
there is an association between the use of parental corporal punishment
and the development of anti-social behaviour in children," she said in a
statement.

Effects of smacking included:

- aggression, disruptive, delinquent and anti-social behaviour, violent
offending, and low peer status;

- poorer academic achievement including lower IQ, poorer performance on
achievement tests, poorer adjustment to school, more attention
deficit-like symptoms, and poorer self-esteem;

- diminished quality of parent-child relationships, with children likely
to be less securely attached to parents, and to feel fearful or hostile
towards them;

- increased depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and psychiatric
disorders.

Prof Smith said one of the problems highlighted by the review was the lack
of agreement over when physical punishment stepped over the line and
became abuse.

In contrast the research suggested principles of effective discipline
including:

- parental warmth, involvement and affectionate relationships;

- clear communication and messages to children, which are age-appropriate,
about why their behaviour is acceptable or not;

- providing fair, reasonable and clearly defined rules, boundaries and
expectations for behaviour;

- consistently following behaviours with appropriate consequences, rewards
or mild non-physical punishments such as time-out.

Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said the research had found that an
authoritative and firm parenting style, accompanied by warmth and
reasoning was associated with children's healthy social adjustment.

"This is important research because it gives parents evidence-based
information about the effects of physical punishment, as well as practical
alternatives."

Dr Kiro said a recent UNICEF report had shown New Zealand had the third
highest rate of deaths from child maltreatment among countries in the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The full research findings will be released at a seminar on the use of
physical punishment, organised by the Children's Issues Centre in
Wellington on June 18-19.

It's not a new study, LaVonne. It's a review. The problem with it is
the same problems that researchers have been pointing out for years -
controlling for other confounding factors and comparing with non-cp
alternatives under the same conditions. If spanking is so evil as
you say, why can't you point to one study - JUST ONE - that show
that the non-cp alternatives are any better?

Doan

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Carlson LaVonne wrote:

Chris,

This is another study that replicates the findings of what is now four
decades of spanking research. The evidence continues to mount, and the
results are consistent. Spanking is harmful! Spanking carries no
evidence of long-term success, and in many instances, the success is
limited even short-term.

Time to stop spanking, I think! There is no shred of scientific
evidence to support the practice, and sooner or later, this will be
recognized.

LaVonne

Chris wrote:
Smacking children can affect schooling

June 2, 2004
New Zealand Herald

Physical punishment of children is associated with anti-social behaviour
and poorer performance at school, according to a review of research by
Otago University's Children's Issues Centre.

The centre, commissioned by the Office of the Children's Commissioner,
surveyed more than 300 international research articles.

Lead researcher Professor Anne Smith said today the review found physical
punishment had only limited success in making children compliant and the
long-term effects were all negative.

"The literature is quite consistent in supporting the conclusion that
there is an association between the use of parental corporal punishment
and the development of anti-social behaviour in children," she said in a
statement.

Effects of smacking included:

- aggression, disruptive, delinquent and anti-social behaviour, violent
offending, and low peer status;

- poorer academic achievement including lower IQ, poorer performance on
achievement tests, poorer adjustment to school, more attention
deficit-like symptoms, and poorer self-esteem;

- diminished quality of parent-child relationships, with children likely
to be less securely attached to parents, and to feel fearful or hostile
towards them;

- increased depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and psychiatric
disorders.

Prof Smith said one of the problems highlighted by the review was the lack
of agreement over when physical punishment stepped over the line and
became abuse.

In contrast the research suggested principles of effective discipline
including:

- parental warmth, involvement and affectionate relationships;

- clear communication and messages to children, which are age-appropriate,
about why their behaviour is acceptable or not;

- providing fair, reasonable and clearly defined rules, boundaries and
expectations for behaviour;

- consistently following behaviours with appropriate consequences, rewards
or mild non-physical punishments such as time-out.

Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said the research had found that an
authoritative and firm parenting style, accompanied by warmth and
reasoning was associated with children's healthy social adjustment.

"This is important research because it gives parents evidence-based
information about the effects of physical punishment, as well as practical
alternatives."

Dr Kiro said a recent UNICEF report had shown New Zealand had the third
highest rate of deaths from child maltreatment among countries in the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The full research findings will be released at a seminar on the use of
physical punishment, organised by the Children's Issues Centre in
Wellington on June 18-19.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:43:25 -0700, Doan wrote:


It's not a new study, LaVonne. It's a review. The problem with it
is
the same problems that researchers have been pointing out for years -
controlling for other confounding factors and comparing with non-cp
alternatives under the same conditions. If spanking is so evil as
you say, why can't you point to one study - JUST ONE - that show
that the non-cp alternatives are any better?

I find an odd claim, given that you insist you have one...the same as
I have.

Now there you are with one of the seminal pieces of research, a report
that examines one of the classic methods of non-cp intervention to
teach toddlers not to go into the street, but not only have going
through what must be easy for you, with all your practice, but painful
for honest people, avoidance contortions, you appear to be deny it's
existance.

Why is that Droaner? Something in it you don't want to share? I've
sent my copy of the report to about 8 people now, a few who must be
sitting there quietly chuckling over your continuing nonsense.

If you are to be believed, given our exhange, you have what you claim
doesn't exist. And you are hidding it.

Kind of dumb, eh?

And tell us about the small sample again will yah, but avoid at all
costs, the body of the work that nullifies any sample size problem.

We love to watch you expert at lying at work.

Your recent, "so's yer ol' man" nonsense from the gradeschool
playground is equally entertaining.


Doan


So Doan. Every one that wanted one has the study from me. Who have YOU
given to, except ..............R R R R R R......what was her name
again, from Mexico? Oh, I could get it if I could remember that name
of that nun you have to know from the USC campus.

R R R R

Yer a phony, Droany.

Kane




On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Carlson LaVonne wrote:

Chris,

This is another study that replicates the findings of what is now
four
decades of spanking research. The evidence continues to mount, and
the
results are consistent. Spanking is harmful! Spanking carries no
evidence of long-term success, and in many instances, the success
is
limited even short-term.

Time to stop spanking, I think! There is no shred of scientific
evidence to support the practice, and sooner or later, this will be
recognized.

LaVonne

Chris wrote:
Smacking children can affect schooling

June 2, 2004
New Zealand Herald

Physical punishment of children is associated with anti-social
behaviour
and poorer performance at school, according to a review of
research by
Otago University's Children's Issues Centre.

The centre, commissioned by the Office of the Children's
Commissioner,
surveyed more than 300 international research articles.

Lead researcher Professor Anne Smith said today the review found
physical
punishment had only limited success in making children compliant
and the
long-term effects were all negative.

"The literature is quite consistent in supporting the conclusion
that
there is an association between the use of parental corporal
punishment
and the development of anti-social behaviour in children," she
said in a
statement.

Effects of smacking included:

- aggression, disruptive, delinquent and anti-social behaviour,
violent
offending, and low peer status;

- poorer academic achievement including lower IQ, poorer
performance on
achievement tests, poorer adjustment to school, more attention
deficit-like symptoms, and poorer self-esteem;

- diminished quality of parent-child relationships, with children
likely
to be less securely attached to parents, and to feel fearful or
hostile
towards them;

- increased depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and
psychiatric
disorders.

Prof Smith said one of the problems highlighted by the review was
the lack
of agreement over when physical punishment stepped over the line
and
became abuse.

In contrast the research suggested principles of effective
discipline
including:

- parental warmth, involvement and affectionate relationships;

- clear communication and messages to children, which are
age-appropriate,
about why their behaviour is acceptable or not;

- providing fair, reasonable and clearly defined rules,
boundaries and
expectations for behaviour;

- consistently following behaviours with appropriate
consequences, rewards
or mild non-physical punishments such as time-out.

Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said the research had found
that an
authoritative and firm parenting style, accompanied by warmth and
reasoning was associated with children's healthy social
adjustment.

"This is important research because it gives parents
evidence-based
information about the effects of physical punishment, as well as
practical
alternatives."

Dr Kiro said a recent UNICEF report had shown New Zealand had the
third
highest rate of deaths from child maltreatment among countries in
the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The full research findings will be released at a seminar on the
use of
physical punishment, organised by the Children's Issues Centre in
Wellington on June 18-19.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:38:24 -0700, Doan wrote:


I would like to look at the original research instead of snippets
from
a newspaper.

Then why don't you. Such exists, despite your denial, and your crowing
that you have such a study yourself.

What confounding factors have they controlled for?
And more importantly, did they compare the non-cp alternatives under
the same conditions? I wouldn't be surprised if, as with Straus &
Mouradian (1998), the association with anti-sociable behavior is
even stronger for non-cp alternatives.

One of the most successful parenting strategies for what is often
referred to as "democratic parenting" (though I question the accuracy
of that name) is Dr. Thomas Gordon's work, PET (Parent Effectiveness
Training).

PET is about as close as one can come to non-coercive parenting, with
NO CP and virtually nothing punishing beyond a low key non-blaming
confrontation portion, along with a supportive model of interaction
that creates great trust, and self determination in the child.

And PET has stood the test of time and application and sample size
very well.

The auto replaced the horse, despite the claims of the ignorant that
we would die of asphixiation at speeds greater than a horse could run,
40mph or so.

No punitive parenting will replace both CP and punishment models. It
is doing so. I've had a hand in it. My life's work.

Not only has research been done on PET but the style itself critiqued,
positively, by one YOU have quoted to attempt to show what she
admitted herself was an extremely small sample, but trimmed and shaped
to remove the more blatant CP methods, and which she did NOT submit
for peer review.

And more than once she supported PET as superior to CP.

http://www.thomasgordon.com/FamilyResearch.asp

Shows some of those studies you say don't exist, and the Gordon people
are honest and straight forward and caution that SOME of these studies
are not peer reviewed.

Tell us some more about the non-existence of studies.

And point out why we should use two tools on the same job, when one
has NO known negatives associated with it and the other well proven as
harmful and risky, just by history alone, let alone the reams of data,
that identify injuries, physical and mental when even slightly or
ignorantly misapplied.

I think I'll just stick with the tool that doesn't dent the target.
Thanks.

Your problem, Droany the Phony, is that NON CP hasn't been disproven
sufficiently to warrant discarding in favor of CP, and NON punitive
methods even moreso. Show us the studies that prove, as CP has been
proven over and over again, that NON punitive parenting methods are
harmful. Or that they do NOT work, as CP has been proven.

Doan

Do you enjoy flailing about with unfounded babbling demands that are
pointless questions, and lies?

"No studies" R R R R, and you claimed you had one.

You've never proven the oft mouthed claim that parents know where the
line is between abuse and discipline in using CP. That alone should
convince someone that was honest and had no personal investment in the
us of CP by others.

If you had children would you use CP knowing that you cannot tell
exactly where it might pass over into harm to the child?

Kane



On 2 Jun 2004, Chris wrote:


Smacking children can affect schooling

June 2, 2004
New Zealand Herald

Physical punishment of children is associated with anti-social
behaviour
and poorer performance at school, according to a review of research
by
Otago University's Children's Issues Centre.

The centre, commissioned by the Office of the Children's
Commissioner,
surveyed more than 300 international research articles.

Lead researcher Professor Anne Smith said today the review found
physical
punishment had only limited success in making children compliant
and the
long-term effects were all negative.

"The literature is quite consistent in supporting the conclusion
that
there is an association between the use of parental corporal
punishment
and the development of anti-social behaviour in children," she said
in a
statement.

Effects of smacking included:

- aggression, disruptive, delinquent and anti-social behaviour,
violent
offending, and low peer status;

- poorer academic achievement including lower IQ, poorer
performance on
achievement tests, poorer adjustment to school, more attention
deficit-like symptoms, and poorer self-esteem;

- diminished quality of parent-child relationships, with children
likely
to be less securely attached to parents, and to feel fearful or
hostile
towards them;

- increased depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and psychiatric
disorders.

Prof Smith said one of the problems highlighted by the review was
the lack
of agreement over when physical punishment stepped over the line
and
became abuse.

In contrast the research suggested principles of effective
discipline
including:

- parental warmth, involvement and affectionate relationships;

- clear communication and messages to children, which are
age-appropriate,
about why their behaviour is acceptable or not;

- providing fair, reasonable and clearly defined rules, boundaries
and
expectations for behaviour;

- consistently following behaviours with appropriate consequences,
rewards
or mild non-physical punishments such as time-out.

Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said the research had found that
an
authoritative and firm parenting style, accompanied by warmth and
reasoning was associated with children's healthy social adjustment.

"This is important research because it gives parents evidence-based
information about the effects of physical punishment, as well as
practical
alternatives."

Dr Kiro said a recent UNICEF report had shown New Zealand had the
third
highest rate of deaths from child maltreatment among countries in
the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The full research findings will be released at a seminar on the use
of
physical punishment, organised by the Children's Issues Centre in
Wellington on June 18-19.

a123sdg321

On 3 Jun 2004, Kane wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:38:24 -0700, Doan wrote:


I would like to look at the original research instead of snippets
from
a newspaper.

Then why don't you. Such exists, despite your denial, and your crowing
that you have such a study yourself.

Still stupid as usually. The article said the research will be presented
LATER! Do you have a problem with English again? ;-)

What confounding factors have they controlled for?
And more importantly, did they compare the non-cp alternatives under
the same conditions? I wouldn't be surprised if, as with Straus &
Mouradian (1998), the association with anti-sociable behavior is
even stronger for non-cp alternatives.

One of the most successful parenting strategies for what is often
referred to as "democratic parenting" (though I question the accuracy
of that name) is Dr. Thomas Gordon's work, PET (Parent Effectiveness
Training).

What does this have to do with research?

PET is about as close as one can come to non-coercive parenting, with
NO CP and virtually nothing punishing beyond a low key non-blaming
confrontation portion, along with a supportive model of interaction
that creates great trust, and self determination in the child.

And PET has stood the test of time and application and sample size
very well.

And your proof is?

The auto replaced the horse, despite the claims of the ignorant that
we would die of asphixiation at speeds greater than a horse could run,
40mph or so.

And we are now in IRAG! ;-)

No punitive parenting will replace both CP and punishment models. It
is doing so. I've had a hand in it. My life's work.

LOL! I see that juvenile halls are emptying.

Not only has research been done on PET but the style itself critiqued,
positively, by one YOU have quoted to attempt to show what she
admitted herself was an extremely small sample, but trimmed and shaped
to remove the more blatant CP methods, and which she did NOT submit
for peer review.

And more than once she supported PET as superior to CP.

http://www.thomasgordon.com/FamilyResearch.asp


Men, you are stupid! Here is what this website said:

We are frequently asked if the outcomes and benefits of Parent
Effectiveness Training (P.E.T.) have been proven by research. There
are two important facts people should know about research on P.E.T.:

1) Gordon Training International is a training (not a research)
organization. Its courses, however, have been evaluated by many
independent studies.

2) Many of these studies were Master's theses or Ph.D. dissertations.
Nevertheless, not all of them met the essential criteria for rigorously
designed studies even though university faculty members obviously approved them.

Shows some of those studies you say don't exist, and the Gordon people
are honest and straight forward and caution that SOME of these studies
are not peer reviewed.

They said nothing of the sort. You are showing your dishonesty and
stupitiy again. :-)

Tell us some more about the non-existence of studies.

Show me that they exist!

And point out why we should use two tools on the same job, when one
has NO known negatives associated with it and the other well proven as
harmful and risky, just by history alone, let alone the reams of data,
that identify injuries, physical and mental when even slightly or
ignorantly misapplied.

Tell me what Swedish parents use instead of spanking! ;-)

I think I'll just stick with the tool that doesn't dent the target.
Thanks.

You are welcome to use what work for you. The problem is when you
start trying to tell other parents how to parent THEIR kids. Remember,
you are the one that said parents should not be making up their own
mind without your approval. ;-)

Your problem, Droany the Phony, is that NON CP hasn't been disproven
sufficiently to warrant discarding in favor of CP, and NON punitive
methods even moreso. Show us the studies that prove, as CP has been
proven over and over again, that NON punitive parenting methods are
harmful. Or that they do NOT work, as CP has been proven.

Read Straus & Mouradian (1998), STUPID! ;-)

Doan

Doan

Do you enjoy flailing about with unfounded babbling demands that are
pointless questions, and lies?

"No studies" R R R R, and you claimed you had one.

You've never proven the oft mouthed claim that parents know where the
line is between abuse and discipline in using CP. That alone should
convince someone that was honest and had no personal investment in the
us of CP by others.

If you had children would you use CP knowing that you cannot tell
exactly where it might pass over into harm to the child?

Kane



On 2 Jun 2004, Chris wrote:


Smacking children can affect schooling

June 2, 2004
New Zealand Herald

Physical punishment of children is associated with anti-social
behaviour
and poorer performance at school, according to a review of research
by
Otago University's Children's Issues Centre.

The centre, commissioned by the Office of the Children's
Commissioner,
surveyed more than 300 international research articles.

Lead researcher Professor Anne Smith said today the review found
physical
punishment had only limited success in making children compliant
and the
long-term effects were all negative.

"The literature is quite consistent in supporting the conclusion
that
there is an association between the use of parental corporal
punishment
and the development of anti-social behaviour in children," she said
in a
statement.

Effects of smacking included:

- aggression, disruptive, delinquent and anti-social behaviour,
violent
offending, and low peer status;

- poorer academic achievement including lower IQ, poorer
performance on
achievement tests, poorer adjustment to school, more attention
deficit-like symptoms, and poorer self-esteem;

- diminished quality of parent-child relationships, with children
likely
to be less securely attached to parents, and to feel fearful or
hostile
towards them;

- increased depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and psychiatric
disorders.

Prof Smith said one of the problems highlighted by the review was
the lack
of agreement over when physical punishment stepped over the line
and
became abuse.

In contrast the research suggested principles of effective
discipline
including:

- parental warmth, involvement and affectionate relationships;

- clear communication and messages to children, which are
age-appropriate,
about why their behaviour is acceptable or not;

- providing fair, reasonable and clearly defined rules, boundaries
and
expectations for behaviour;

- consistently following behaviours with appropriate consequences,
rewards
or mild non-physical punishments such as time-out.

Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said the research had found that
an
authoritative and firm parenting style, accompanied by warmth and
reasoning was associated with children's healthy social adjustment.

"This is important research because it gives parents evidence-based
information about the effects of physical punishment, as well as
practical
alternatives."

Dr Kiro said a recent UNICEF report had shown New Zealand had the
third
highest rate of deaths from child maltreatment among countries in
the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The full research findings will be released at a seminar on the use
of
physical punishment, organised by the Children's Issues Centre in
Wellington on June 18-19.

Doan wrote:
If spanking is so evil as
you say, why can't you point to one study - JUST ONE - that show
that the non-cp alternatives are any better?

I have, Doan. I have provided reference after reference. You can
repeat the same challenge over and over again, but that doesn't change
reality. And no, I am not going to spend the next six to eight hours
recreating the reference list.

When studies show toddlers who experience CP to be less compliant than
toddlers who experience minimal to no CP, this would say to any rational
person that non-cp alternatives are preferable.

When studies reveal increasing levels of CP to correlate positively with
increasing levels of antisocial behavior, rational thought would allow
one to conclude that non-cp alternatives are preferable.

When studies of individuals involved in the juvenile justice system
reveal strong correlation between cp and juvenile crime, logic would
allow one to conclude that non-cp guidance and discipline is better.

You want the references again. Go get them.

LaVonne
Doan

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Carlson LaVonne wrote:


Chris,

This is another study that replicates the findings of what is now four
decades of spanking research. The evidence continues to mount, and the
results are consistent. Spanking is harmful! Spanking carries no
evidence of long-term success, and in many instances, the success is
limited even short-term.

Time to stop spanking, I think! There is no shred of scientific
evidence to support the practice, and sooner or later, this will be
recognized.

LaVonne

Chris wrote:

Smacking children can affect schooling

June 2, 2004
New Zealand Herald

Physical punishment of children is associated with anti-social behaviour
and poorer performance at school, according to a review of research by
Otago University's Children's Issues Centre.

The centre, commissioned by the Office of the Children's Commissioner,
surveyed more than 300 international research articles.

Lead researcher Professor Anne Smith said today the review found physical
punishment had only limited success in making children compliant and the
long-term effects were all negative.

"The literature is quite consistent in supporting the conclusion that
there is an association between the use of parental corporal punishment
and the development of anti-social behaviour in children," she said in a
statement.

Effects of smacking included:

- aggression, disruptive, delinquent and anti-social behaviour, violent
offending, and low peer status;

- poorer academic achievement including lower IQ, poorer performance on
achievement tests, poorer adjustment to school, more attention
deficit-like symptoms, and poorer self-esteem;

- diminished quality of parent-child relationships, with children likely
to be less securely attached to parents, and to feel fearful or hostile
towards them;

- increased depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and psychiatric
disorders.

Prof Smith said one of the problems highlighted by the review was the lack
of agreement over when physical punishment stepped over the line and
became abuse.

In contrast the research suggested principles of effective discipline
including:

- parental warmth, involvement and affectionate relationships;

- clear communication and messages to children, which are age-appropriate,
about why their behaviour is acceptable or not;

- providing fair, reasonable and clearly defined rules, boundaries and
expectations for behaviour;

- consistently following behaviours with appropriate consequences, rewards
or mild non-physical punishments such as time-out.

Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said the research had found that an
authoritative and firm parenting style, accompanied by warmth and
reasoning was associated with children's healthy social adjustment.

"This is important research because it gives parents evidence-based
information about the effects of physical punishment, as well as practical
alternatives."

Dr Kiro said a recent UNICEF report had shown New Zealand had the third
highest rate of deaths from child maltreatment among countries in the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The full research findings will be released at a seminar on the use of
physical punishment, organised by the Children's Issues Centre in
Wellington on June 18-19.

Doan,

"Straus and Mouradian (1998)" did not find the association with
antisocial behavior to be stronger with non-cp alternatives.

LaVonne

Doan wrote:

I would like to look at the original research instead of snippets from
a newspaper. What confounding factors have they controlled for?
And more importantly, did they compare the non-cp alternatives under
the same conditions? I wouldn't be surprised if, as with Straus &
Mouradian (1998), the association with anti-sociable behavior is
even stronger for non-cp alternatives.

Doan

On 2 Jun 2004, Chris wrote:


Smacking children can affect schooling

June 2, 2004
New Zealand Herald

Physical punishment of children is associated with anti-social behaviour
and poorer performance at school, according to a review of research by
Otago University's Children's Issues Centre.

The centre, commissioned by the Office of the Children's Commissioner,
surveyed more than 300 international research articles.

Lead researcher Professor Anne Smith said today the review found physical
punishment had only limited success in making children compliant and the
long-term effects were all negative.

"The literature is quite consistent in supporting the conclusion that
there is an association between the use of parental corporal punishment
and the development of anti-social behaviour in children," she said in a
statement.

Effects of smacking included:

- aggression, disruptive, delinquent and anti-social behaviour, violent
offending, and low peer status;

- poorer academic achievement including lower IQ, poorer performance on
achievement tests, poorer adjustment to school, more attention
deficit-like symptoms, and poorer self-esteem;

- diminished quality of parent-child relationships, with children likely
to be less securely attached to parents, and to feel fearful or hostile
towards them;

- increased depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and psychiatric
disorders.

Prof Smith said one of the problems highlighted by the review was the lack
of agreement over when physical punishment stepped over the line and
became abuse.

In contrast the research suggested principles of effective discipline
including:

- parental warmth, involvement and affectionate relationships;

- clear communication and messages to children, which are age-appropriate,
about why their behaviour is acceptable or not;

- providing fair, reasonable and clearly defined rules, boundaries and
expectations for behaviour;

- consistently following behaviours with appropriate consequences, rewards
or mild non-physical punishments such as time-out.

Children's Commissioner Cindy Kiro said the research had found that an
authoritative and firm parenting style, accompanied by warmth and
reasoning was associated with children's healthy social adjustment.

"This is important research because it gives parents evidence-based
information about the effects of physical punishment, as well as practical
alternatives."

Dr Kiro said a recent UNICEF report had shown New Zealand had the third
highest rate of deaths from child maltreatment among countries in the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The full research findings will be released at a seminar on the use of
physical punishment, organised by the Children's Issues Centre in
Wellington on June 18-19.

Doan wrote:



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On 3 Jun 2004, Kane wrote:


On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:38:24 -0700, Doan wrote:


I would like to look at the original research instead of snippets

from

a newspaper.

Then why don't you. Such exists, despite your denial, and your crowing
that you have such a study yourself.


Still stupid as usually. The article said the research will be presented
LATER! Do you have a problem with English again? ;-)

Why wait, Doan? You are terribly interested in the research. Go track
it down.

LaVonne