Illinois post-secondary education

"Gypsy0005" wrote in message
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I have a question for you, Indy. Does the child have the right to choose
the most expensive college/university available?

NJ also offers automatic post secondary education expenses and/or child
support. However there is case law supporting termination of these if
there is
no relationship between father and child and if dad was not included in
the
decision making process. My husband and I are in the midst of such a case
now
in an attempt to emancipate his 19 yr old daughter we haven't seen in over
10
yrs. The case in question is Moss V Nedas. Another thought is to fight it
through the courts on the basis it is unconstitutional. Pennsylvania
recently
agreed with this aspect and they are now "18 and out". Very few states
left
that require anything more than 18 and high school education.

Good luck on your case, Gypsy!

In article , Gypsy0005 says...


I have a question for you, Indy. Does the child have the right to choose
the most expensive college/university available?

NJ also offers automatic post secondary education expenses and/or child
support. However there is case law supporting termination of these if there is
no relationship between father and child and if dad was not included in the
decision making process. My husband and I are in the midst of such a case now
in an attempt to emancipate his 19 yr old daughter we haven't seen in over 10
yrs. The case in question is Moss V Nedas. Another thought is to fight it
through the courts on the basis it is unconstitutional. Pennsylvania recently
agreed with this aspect and they are now "18 and out". Very few states left
that require anything more than 18 and high school education.
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I don't know how many there are but a lot of NCPs come through here who are
dealing with post minority/college support. It seems there must still be a lot
of states doing it. I have also read where courts have upheld constitutional
challenges in spite of the PA Supreme Court ruling.
====

gypsy wrote:

snip to

Very few states left
that require anything more than 18 and high school education.

Three states don't require any college support but order support till the age
of 21.
Two order CS till 19, regardless if they are in school or not.

Eighteen states still can and do order support for most majority children that
are furthering their education.

I hardly consider 23 states *very few*.


Mrs Indyguy

I hardly consider 23 states *very few*.


An attorney I spoke to last week who is very well known in this arena said he
believed it was 9 states left that order post secondary education support.
Regardless of the number that is left, even 1 is far too many. It is an issue
that flies in the face of justice. When you take only one segment of the
population and force them to do something no one else does then you are
violating their rights. In NJ only divorced non custodial parents (mostly
fathers) are FORCED to pay towards college AND contribute child support for an
ADULT child.
If you want to argue that all children are entitled to a college education AND
living expenses while they are in college then so be it, but until this is a
right afforded all children it is just plain wrong!

gypsy wrote:

An attorney I spoke to last week who is very well known in this arena said he
believed it was 9 states left that order post secondary education support.

Then I guess he isn't all that well versed afterall.


Regardless of the number that is left, even 1 is far too many. It is an
issue
that flies in the face of justice.

Dont remember the exact stats on this but it's something like over 80 % of
parents in intact families help with their childrens college expenses and less
that 20% of NCPs help with the same. And lets not even go to the *they can't
afford it* excuse. Most states stop CS at that point and the money formely used
as CS can be applied to the college help. Divorced parents refusing to help
with their childrens college expenses flies in the face of family, IMHO.

When you take only one segment of the
population and force them to do something no one else does then you are
violating their rights.

Just like parents in intact families have their rights violated every day that
the feds only base federal aid for children of divorce on one of their parents
homes income. AND the child can generally pick whatever household they want to
declare. While children in intact families have to declare BOTH parents
incomes.

In NJ only divorced non custodial parents (mostly
fathers) are FORCED to pay towards college AND contribute child support for
an
ADULT child.

Then they are one of a very few. Perhaps that is what your top notch lawyer was
refering to. States that order college support AND CS.

If you want to argue that all children are entitled to a college education
AND
living expenses while they are in college then so be it, but until this is a
right afforded all children it is just plain wrong!

I see it as a shame that any parent has to be forced to help thier children
attain an education.

I pitty the parents that don't help, when they have the means to help. I bet it
will be awfully lonely in that nursing home in their golden years.

Mrs Indyguy

It's lonely for a lot of parents in nursing homes even today, and I'll betcha
some of those parents stuck in those homes are ones who DID pay for their kids'
college educations...


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(Indyguy1) writes:

I pitty the parents that don't help, when they have the means to help. I bet
it
will be awfully lonely in that nursing home in their golden years.

Mrs Indyguy

You are wrong, MrsIndy...

No state orders parent-paid college education for ALL children.

And that is the problem.

Until the day comes when the state orders ALL children to go to college and ALL
parents to pay for post-secondary education, I don't believe ANY parent should
be compelled to pay for post-secondary education, divorced or otherwise.

Gud


In article ,
(Indyguy1) writes:

Three states don't require any college support but order support till the age
of 21.
Two order CS till 19, regardless if they are in school or not.

Eighteen states still can and do order support for most majority children
that
are furthering their education.

I hardly consider 23 states *very few*.


Mrs Indyguy

In article ,
(Gypsy0005) writes:

snip

Another thought is to fight it
through the courts on the basis it is unconstitutional. Pennsylvania recently
agreed with this aspect and they are now "18 and out". Very few states left
that require anything more than 18 and high school education.

Exactly! This is why the forced support of post-high school educations for
divorced kids only is a denial of the right of equal protection under the law.
As with many things I can live with either scenario: (1) make college
education manadtory for ALL children and tell ALL parents that they have to
provide post-high school educational support, or (2) continue to make college
education discretionary for children and tell NO parents that they have to
provide post-high school educational support.

I can live with either situation.


Gud

I think that is one of the most fair settlements I've seen of any case like
this.

Kudos to your co-worker, Tracy...looks like a win/win situation for the
child...

In fact, I think I'm going to write the facts and circumstances down, and use
them for my own benefit, if and when such an event arises.

Gud


In article Upccd.191878$wV.160439@attbi_s54, "Tracy"
writes:

I can't speak for Illinois, but a while back I posted concerning a co-worker
of mine. His case was in Indiana, but he took it to court. He was able to
have a say, and the judge listened and agreed. My co-worker listened and
acted reasonably. Although he didn't agree with being forced to pay part of
the college education he did get the judge to agree to stipulations.

1) his daughter started at a less expensive school
2) his daughter was to provide her father with her grades
3) if she was not passing her classes support would stop
4) support was paid directly to the university, not her mother or the
daughter
5) the mother had to pay her fair share directly to the university, not the
daughter

The daughter attended one term at a less expensive university, not a
college. The university she attended was much less than the private
university she originally wanted to attend. She did not pass all classes.
Therefore, support ended.

So I believe judges will listen, but it is a case-by-case situation. If the
parents, NCP and/or CP, is reasonable, the judge may end up being reasonable
too.

Tracy

"GudGye11" wrote in message
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It's lonely for a lot of parents in nursing homes even today, and I'll
betcha
some of those parents stuck in those homes are ones who DID pay for their
kids'
college educations...


How arrogant to think that concern about one's parents is tied to whether
they paid for college tuition.........spoken like a true liebral.



In article ,

(Indyguy1) writes:

I pitty the parents that don't help, when they have the means to help. I
bet
it
will be awfully lonely in that nursing home in their golden years.

Mrs Indyguy