Are you a depressed gun owner?

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On Jan 11, 8:16 am, beebs wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:21 pm, wrote:



That's the exact approach taken by the American Academy of
Pediatrics.

" * A gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill
someone known to the family than to kill someone in
self-defense.

These are simplifications and distortions of the CDC epidemiological
analyses. The authors backed away from the "43 times" in subsequent
papers. But more importantly "someone known to the family" is a mere
acquaintance, far more likely to be your drug-dealing rival than the
meter reader or little Billy's mother.

It's actually more screwed up than that. The original study didn't
just say that you'd be more likely to be killed WITH the gun that was
kept in the home, merely that you'd be more likely to be killed with
SOME gun by some person.

So, they apparently not only believed that the presence of a gun in
the home was dangerous, but that it actually attracted killers to you.

Magical thinking at its worst.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |

On Jan 11, 1:28*pm, Bert Hyman wrote:

It's actually more screwed up than that. The original study didn't
just say that you'd be more likely to be killed WITH the gun that was
kept in the home, merely that you'd be more likely to be killed with
SOME gun by some person.

So, they apparently not only believed that the presence of a gun in
the home was dangerous, but that it actually attracted killers to you.

Magical thinking at its worst.

Another good leftie myth is that you're more likely to be murdered by
an acquaintance than not. This study defined the relationship between
a prositute and her john as being an "acquaintance." Likewise, a drug
dealer and his customer are also classified as "acquaintances."

"Bert Hyman" wrote in message
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On Jan 11, 8:16 am, beebs wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:21 pm, wrote:



That's the exact approach taken by the American Academy of
Pediatrics.

" * A gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill
someone known to the family than to kill someone in
self-defense.

These are simplifications and distortions of the CDC epidemiological
analyses. The authors backed away from the "43 times" in subsequent
papers. But more importantly "someone known to the family" is a mere
acquaintance, far more likely to be your drug-dealing rival than the
meter reader or little Billy's mother.

It's actually more screwed up than that. The original study didn't
just say that you'd be more likely to be killed WITH the gun that was
kept in the home, merely that you'd be more likely to be killed with
SOME gun by some person.

If I remember correctly, it was even worse than that. As long as a gun was
present ANYWHERE then it was counted, even if it were a gun in the upstairs
closet that wasn't even involved in or connected with the homicide that
occurred.

On Jan 11, 6:35 pm, "Scout"
wrote:
"Bert Hyman" wrote in message
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On Jan 11, 8:16 am, beebs wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:21 pm, wrote:


That's the exact approach taken by the American Academy of
Pediatrics.

" * A gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill
someone known to the family than to kill someone in
self-defense.

These are simplifications and distortions of the CDC epidemiological
analyses. The authors backed away from the "43 times" in subsequent
papers. But more importantly "someone known to the family" is a mere
acquaintance, far more likely to be your drug-dealing rival than the
meter reader or little Billy's mother.

It's actually more screwed up than that. The original study didn't
just say that you'd be more likely to be killed WITH the gun that was
kept in the home, merely that you'd be more likely to be killed with
SOME gun by some person.

If I remember correctly, it was even worse than that. As long as a gun was
present ANYWHERE then it was counted, even if it were a gun in the upstairs
closet that wasn't even involved in or connected with the homicide that
occurred.

Isn't that what Alex Jason says about burglars and gun owners, that
burglars are afraid of home owners with guns to the extent that they
avoid breaking into houses if they think the people living there have
guns? The prophylactic and purely imaginary DGU?

Alex Jason seems to be the source of much gunloon ideology, even
though he makes pretty good sense most of the time and you idgits
rarely do.

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Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel

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"Bert Hyman" wrote in message
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It's actually more screwed up than that. The original study didn't
just say that you'd be more likely to be killed WITH the gun that was
kept in the home, merely that you'd be more likely to be killed with
SOME gun by some person.

If I remember correctly, it was even worse than that. As long as a gun was
present ANYWHERE then it was counted, even if it were a gun in the
upstairs closet that wasn't even involved in or connected with the
homicide that occurred.

They also counted it when you got murdered in (say) Las Vegas and you kept a
shotgun in your closet back in Schenectady.

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"Bert Hyman" wrote in message
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On Jan 11, 8:16 am, beebs wrote:
On Jan 10, 8:21 pm, wrote:



That's the exact approach taken by the American Academy of
Pediatrics.

" * A gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill
someone known to the family than to kill someone in
self-defense.

These are simplifications and distortions of the CDC epidemiological
analyses. The authors backed away from the "43 times" in subsequent
papers. But more importantly "someone known to the family" is a mere
acquaintance, far more likely to be your drug-dealing rival than the
meter reader or little Billy's mother.

It's actually more screwed up than that. The original study didn't
just say that you'd be more likely to be killed WITH the gun that was
kept in the home, merely that you'd be more likely to be killed with
SOME gun by some person.

If I remember correctly, it was even worse than that. As long as a gun
was present ANYWHERE then it was counted, even if it were a gun in the
upstairs closet that wasn't even involved in or connected with the
homicide that occurred.

Correct.

--
RD (The Sandman)

War is absolute hell.....but to give in
to terrorism is much, much worse