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What does the Embry study really look at?



 
 
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Old February 24th 06, 12:25 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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Default What does the Embry study really look at?

Several items are tracked for outcomes.

The test of the experiment came by the application of a packaged
program. Dr. Embry can of course explain it's origins better than I, and
I can quote him from the report from time to time is challenged to.

But his study, like so many before him, came partly from his own
interests, and of course from exposure to the ideas and work of others
that came before.

His is certainly not the last of its kind, but nothing on traffic entry
has been done since that I have found.

The problem with street entry fatalities is still with us however.

Why Embry's program has not been more widely taught is the next question
to ponder.

http://www.aemj.org/cgi/content/abstract/9/1/54
Current (2002) child pedestrian street fatalities.
"
Results: Among 693,283 crashes, 97,245 resulted in injuries to 100,261
pedestrians, of whom 32,578 were under the age of 20. Using census
counts for the denominator, the overall incidence of pediatric
pedestrian injuries was 246/100,000 per year, and the case fatality rate
was 0.6%. Incidence rates peaked in the 6-14-year age group, and showed
a modest annual decline during the study period. Younger children were
more likely to be struck mid-block and during daylight hours, whereas
adolescents were more likely to be struck at intersections and at night.
For younger children, there was a sharp peak in incidence during the
summer months. Road and weather conditions did not appear to affect
injury risk. Conclusions: These results help identify priorities for
child pedestrian injury prevention and education, inform public health
policy, and direct emergency medical health services resource allocation. "




Could it be people's resistance to any non CP alternative. A social
inhibition that people practice on each other to protect and compel
others in the use of spanking? Certainly peer pressure is a very real
issue in the use of CP.

Did Dr. Embry not carry this on further when he could?

My understanding of scientific research is that more scientists need to
continue to expand on the work of others for a critical mass to be
reached where policies and programs will find a foothold in the world
beyond academia. Or one needs considerable political pull. Some
researchers do not spend much time in political involvement.

Possibly a good thing.

Embry touched on some limitations of the study outcome that would need
to be addressed to improve the effectiveness of the program.

One strongly voiced one was training trainers. And recognizing that some
trainers have very special talents in acquiring a high level of
competence and transference of the program from training room to "the
street."

I've seen this myself. Excellently conceived and proven programs that
did not go anywhere because of bad luck in finding and training skilled
trainers. They don't come cheap.

Another issue Embry mentions is the conversion from a package that was
more suited to white collar workers over to working class and poor.
Literacy issues were addressed.

But did his program package work? He claims it did. He provides the data
to support that claim.

His methods appeared to be highly disciplined for the kind of experiment
study it was.

The home and street are not a close laboratory. And his observers, just
as I had to as a student on similar assignments, had to accommodate to
an uncontrolled environment. I counted certain behaviors in studies of
social behaviors of Rhesus monkeys in large compounds with other
research going on nearby.

His observers had to contend with not only the subjects, the child and
the mother, but with other children of all ages.

Never the less, barring access to his notes and collection sheets, the
results he showed in his charts that indicated such things as number of
observations proved telling when considering his claims.

A reduction in unwanted behaviors of both the child and the parent, and
an increase in desired behaviors. Both at considerably high rates.

Many fewer absences of the parent from being with the child for
supervision. Many more instances of the parent applying the trained
program content. A healthy reduction in street entries, the key goal.
Reducing the risk of injury and death by traffic to the young child.

The testing of the Say-Do concept, the reduction in reprimands and the
non-cp punishments. The use of TOs to do the very thing that mothers
have always told a child to do in time out, "Sit there and think about
what you did and what you should have done instead" nicely boiled down
to "Sit and Watch."

The next step is to see if more folks can find access to this program.
It's certainly still out there in workbook and trainer form.

And finally, the study makes clear that nothing beats parental direct
contact supervision for lowering risk of traffic fatality and
injury...even though it does not study this as a separate issue.

My own response to people that would answer me when I asked why they
spanked to teach their child to not run into traffic was this: If they
are too young to understand the concept of safety then they are too
young to understand the concept of spanking to teach them to stay out of
traffic. Each is too complex an association.

The next question, usually with a bit of huffing and puffing, or
sometimes with that knowing sneer you read easily into some posters
here, is 'well then what?'

The answer of course. Don't let your preschool age children play
unattended by the street.

Who's in charge?

Does pain really teach the child to stay away from the street, or does
it not connect like the non-cp Embry program can and did?

Too much trouble? What's your child's life worth?

Kane
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
 




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