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On Jun 28, 4:25 pm, Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote

'Fraid not. I think they would not be terribly
happy with my helping folks as I do.

Why would they care how many butt buddies
and sock puppets you PRETEND you helped?

krp wrote

Which is why you attack anyone standing
up for the wrongly accused.

Kane wrote

You mean like Greg? Greg Hansen who advised a women who had just
recovered her children from CPS to, in another case, step right up
with the evidence she had broken the two party recording law in her
state to challenge this "unfair law," and risk being charged with a
crime, possibly arrested, and possibly end up in jail...with CPS
coming for her children again?

That "anyone," krp?

You're talking about ""lostintranslation"" Kim Olson of CT
"lazyvegan"?
She of the mysterious 20 second audio clip with her name in it?

What's mysterious about it?

Famous for addressing lawmakers on election day?

You can't talk to lawmakers on election day?

Where DOES she work anyway?

Conneticut, I believe.

Kane wrote

The same Greg that attaches like a blood sucking leech to anyone
coming here to seek advice and information, and tries to get them to
follow HIS example....one of SIX PLUS YEARS of having sabotaged his
girlfriends attempts to have her child returned from state custody?

That 'anyone,' krp?

Should I NAME the public defenders who failed
to afford their client a VIGOROUS defense?

Please do.

Who fought like limp dishrags?
Who "sold out" the family?
Who urged the "stipulation scam" and promised
to protect against a bad service plan and then
when they saw the plan later, promptly WITHDREW?

Did you really think we shunned legal counsel
and started PRO SE pleadings right off the bat?

Wasn't it only a couple of weeks and then you decided to fight CPS
over every issue large or small?

Finding a public defender who is not a complete
stooge for the DHS plan is very hard.

Even finding a PAID attorney who will afford
parents a VIGOROUS REPRESENTATION
against CPS (The State) is extremely difficult.

How much have YOU personally spent on attny's fees since the little
girl was removed?

Read his "pleading," and his House Ways and Means Committee Hearing
testimony, krp. And with a straight face say the same thing...pointing
out in his rambling self aggrandizement exactly what you think I am
attacking him for that should NOT be attacked as a sure fire way to
LOSE A CASE WITH CPS.

As opposed to "winning through surrender" I suppose.
Doing services to please the agency before they even
have the legal right to dictate such stuff, right?

To get the children back BEFORE CPS can get the Judge to Order a six
month removal!

That's not a good thing, Greg?

Come on, master Debater. Let's do another "sociopathy" lie from you.

I'll kick your sorry ass just as I did then.

Delusions of grandeur!

Do you think ANYONE, even Greg, fell for your feeble dodge that I had
to agree I was wrong when your charge of what I said or didn't say was
a flat out LIE?

What what what?

Too much run on sentence RAVING.

To Kane truth is a thin veneer to wrap his lies in.

Get with the program krp. No one here is blind, or stupid, as you'd
wish them to be.

Are you reading a job ad for CPS worker prerequisites?
You left out obsessive, deluded and incompetent.

And anyone that WOULD fall for your bull**** is either one or the
other or both, or a liar such as you.

Because you said so, right?

On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, " krp" wrote:





"0:-]" wrote in message

.. .

Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Do you have some examples, that you can provide a LINK to, krp, where
I have given advice that would be suicide?

LINK Kane? No didn't save it. But thinking about your advice to just
blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. (Performance
agreements, etc.) Which is tacit agreement to surrender legal JURISDICTION
to them to run your family . BAD BAD BAD legal advice Kane. They should
always seek out legal counsel and NOT you!

By the way, krp, THAT is Dan's advice, merely ECHOED by Kane.

Kane has admitted to ""infiltrating"" Family Rights groups.
Dan got caught doing it and ejected.
They have BOTH badmouthed Family Rights groups in general.
They claim they are superior.

The last time Dan infiltrated a group he had already
been kicked out of, he lasted mere weeks because
he just had to vent his spleen about his ""concerns""
with the Constitutional Defense.

That wasn't me.

Obviously it was simply someone else who saw thru the Constitutional
Defense BS.

Even Bob himself didn't use it.

He and his wife signed numerous service agreements witrh CPS.

He actually berates
any legal argument, come to think of it.

I berate any legal argument?

That's quite a broad brush you're using, Greg.

Prove it!

He urges the quicker more expedient solution
to get the kids home. Can you guess what that is?

Beat CPS to the punch!!!

Another one of my favorites is that Dan has
asserted how easy it is to get a CPS Service Plan
corrected when it's wrong.

To hear LIT and him tell it, all a family has to do
is ask the caseworker and they instantly change
the service plan.

Hell, It took years and some really embarassing
court pleadings to get the agency to drop the
""Vocational Rehab"" item even though the item
was totally impossible since they knew I had
no disability. After I called the Vocational Rehab
agency I think Iowa DHS got a rather embarassing
message from the Department Of Vocational Rehab.
That and a taunting, embarassing pleading got
them to remove this totally IMPOSSIBLE service.

They wanted you to get a job, Greg.

Caseworker input into the psych eval said
that I ""perceived myself"" to be an assault victim.

Didn't the little girl's grandfather punch you in the face after he
found out you locked her out of her own home in February with no
shoes, socks or coat?

Investigation of this ""pathology"" was dropped
after the attacker plead GUILTY and spent a night in jail.

I'd like to buy the guy a drink.

We had one caseworker so ****y she stood in the
courthouse hallway wringing her fists like
Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros.
She's the one who perjured herself about
me sending her a threatening e-mail.
(Proving malicious intent, by the way.)

The ""e-mail"" lie was so lame the Judge
rolled his eyes, knowing full well she lied
on the witness stand.

Were you in the courtroom, Greg?

Did you ask the Judge to have her arrested for perjury?

Greg, if you and your Family Rights friends have all the best answers,
tactics and strategy, why hasn't the girl been returned to her mother?

"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
oups.com...

Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing
false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.


Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines.

"0:-]" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:44:31 GMT, " krp" wrote:

My post where I gave bad advice, if you don't mind. Thanks.

But thinking about your advice to just
blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say.

If you are guilty it is one strategy, yes. I would never suggest one
blindly cooperate, krp. For instance I would not suggest you agree
that you abused your child if you had not.


So if you are innocent one should just TRUST - CPS... RIGHT KANE! No
whackos in CPS are there?

On Jun 28, 7:39 pm, " krp" wrote:
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message

oups.com...



Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing
false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.

Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines.

I don't care if you believe it or not.

I know it to be true, because I ran my cases thru him and he filled in
a lot of information as to the way CPS CWs think, and what really
needed to be accomplished to get children reunited with to their
parents.

Dozens of kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude for the fact they're out
of fostercare.

Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 28, 7:39 pm, " krp" wrote:
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message

oups.com...



Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing
false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.
Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.
Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines.

I don't care if you believe it or not.

I know it to be true, because I ran my cases thru him and he filled in
a lot of information as to the way CPS CWs think, and what really
needed to be accomplished to get children reunited with to their
parents.

Dozens of kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude for the fact they're out
of fostercare.


Yup - along with the dozens he spammed to butt****ers on usenet -- or
all the innocent spankers he has persecuted and destroyed.

I'm sure there are HUNDREDS of children who would like show
Don/Kane/d'geezer their 'gratitude'. lol.

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"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
oups.com...

Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR
enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing
false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.

Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines.

I don't care if you believe it or not.

And I don't give a flying **** what YOU believe Dan.

Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 28, 7:39 pm, " krp" wrote:
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message

oups.com...



Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing
false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.
Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.
Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines.

I don't care if you believe it or not.

Check and mate, dummy.

I doubt he cares if you care.

Is that too complex for you?


I know it to be true, because I ran my cases thru him and he filled in
a lot of information as to the way CPS CWs think, and what really
needed to be accomplished to get children reunited with to their
parents.

Dozens of kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude for the fact they're out
of fostercare.


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" krp" wrote in message
news:XYOgi.2490$s%.1011@trnddc02...

"Ron" wrote in message
...

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies
that are
supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000
children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse and
kills
more children then parents in the United States. If the citizens of
this
country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold parents too.
No
judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY government
agency
because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and death than any
human
being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more human rights
violations
and deaths of children then the homes from which they were removed.
When
are the judges going to wake up and see that they are sending
children to
their death and a life of abuse when children are removed from safe
homes
based on the mere opinion of a bunch of social workers.

Still waiting on an answer fx. Why do you continue to knowingly post
false
information with each of your posts?

Perhaps if you wish to complain about the "false information" you
could post proof that it is false?

You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time
you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked,
really ****es them off Greg.

To a point you are correct kenny. It does tend to irritate me a bit, but
then again these "suggestions" are lies, proven to be lies, and everyone
should object to that. Why don't you? Why do you continue to support
points of view that have been proven to be false time and again kenny?

don't it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the
message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only
ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with
the CPS system.

My views are supported by fact kenny. Verifiable, posted, fact. fx and
gregg cannot claim the same. And if they were to it is quite easy to
point out the errors in their theories with the facts.

No Ron your views are supported by bull**** you and the CPS people CALL
facts.

If you have an alternate set of facts, facts that can be verified, I'll look
them over kenny. Until that happens I'll use the data that is available.
You can call what I have BS if you like, but at least it can be verified and
viewed by anyone with an internet connection.

Lots of **** is "posted"" Ron and it is bull****. To me the true test is
challenging those "facts" where the evidence supporting both sides is put
to the test of credibility.

I can relate to that. Unfortunately your track record in this area is
totally abysmal. Your credibility as well is completely in the crapper.
So, raise both and maybe, just maybe, someone will take you seriously kenny.

In a court where BULL**** you read in "POSTS" doesn't cut it. Where purse
**** like your pal's claims of EXPERTISE on Cuba would get him yanked off
the witness stand by the bailiff.

Interesting. What I put in posts is verifiable kenny. Completely available
to anyone. Good in any court in the land. Documented, validated, official.
I cant speak for others, but I do know that you have a real long track
record here of taking other people's statements completely out of context
and applying your own meaning to them. A REAL long track record. This,
more than anything else, is what has trashed your credibility in this news
group. And you have done it to yourself. Personally, I find that very
funny.

Your "perspective" of what happens in a court room is a bit .... different,
from what you have posted to date. I have spent quite a bit of time in
court rooms in my life. When one is a Law Enforcement Officer it comes with
the job. I have also spent quite some time in civil courts, due to my more
than 15 years as a foster parent and numerous adoptions. Yeah, I'd say that
your perspective is unlike any other I have ever heard of.

Hmmm, given the above I'd be willing to bet that I have more court room time
than you do.

Ron

On Jun 28, 5:04 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 28, 4:25 pm, Greegor wrote:





Kane wrote

'Fraid not. I think they would not be terribly
happy with my helping folks as I do.

Why would they care how many butt buddies
and sock puppets you PRETEND you helped?

krp wrote

Which is why you attack anyone standing
up for the wrongly accused.

Kane wrote

You mean like Greg? Greg Hansen who advised a women who had just
recovered her children from CPS to, in another case, step right up
with the evidence she had broken the two party recording law in her
state to challenge this "unfair law," and risk being charged with a
crime, possibly arrested, and possibly end up in jail...with CPS
coming for her children again?

That "anyone," krp?

You're talking about ""lostintranslation"" Kim Olson of CT
"lazyvegan"?
She of the mysterious 20 second audio clip with her name in it?

What's mysterious about it?

Famous for addressing lawmakers on election day?

You can't talk to lawmakers on election day?

Where DOES she work anyway?

Conneticut, I believe.

Kane wrote

The same Greg that attaches like a blood sucking leech to anyone
coming here to seek advice and information, and tries to get them to
follow HIS example....one of SIX PLUS YEARS of having sabotaged his
girlfriends attempts to have her child returned from state custody?

That 'anyone,' krp?

Should I NAME the public defenders who failed
to afford their client a VIGOROUS defense?

Please do.

Who fought like limp dishrags?
Who "sold out" the family?
Who urged the "stipulation scam" and promised
to protect against a bad service plan and then
when they saw the plan later, promptly WITHDREW?

Did you really think we shunned legal counsel
and started PRO SE pleadings right off the bat?

Wasn't it only a couple of weeks and then you decided to fight CPS
over every issue large or small?

Finding a public defender who is not a complete
stooge for the DHS plan is very hard.

Even finding a PAID attorney who will afford
parents a VIGOROUS REPRESENTATION
against CPS (The State) is extremely difficult.

How much have YOU personally spent on attny's fees since the little
girl was removed?

Read his "pleading," and his House Ways and Means Committee Hearing
testimony, krp. And with a straight face say the same thing...pointing
out in his rambling self aggrandizement exactly what you think I am
attacking him for that should NOT be attacked as a sure fire way to
LOSE A CASE WITH CPS.

As opposed to "winning through surrender" I suppose.
Doing services to please the agency before they even
have the legal right to dictate such stuff, right?

To get the children back BEFORE CPS can get the Judge to Order a six
month removal!

That's not a good thing, Greg?





Come on, master Debater. Let's do another "sociopathy" lie from you.

I'll kick your sorry ass just as I did then.

Delusions of grandeur!

Do you think ANYONE, even Greg, fell for your feeble dodge that I had
to agree I was wrong when your charge of what I said or didn't say was
a flat out LIE?

What what what?

Too much run on sentence RAVING.

To Kane truth is a thin veneer to wrap his lies in.

Get with the program krp. No one here is blind, or stupid, as you'd
wish them to be.

Are you reading a job ad for CPS worker prerequisites?
You left out obsessive, deluded and incompetent.

And anyone that WOULD fall for your bull**** is either one or the
other or both, or a liar such as you.

Because you said so, right?

On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, " krp" wrote:

"0:-]" wrote in message

.. .

Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Do you have some examples, that you can provide a LINK to, krp, where
I have given advice that would be suicide?

LINK Kane? No didn't save it. But thinking about your advice to just
blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. (Performance
agreements, etc.) Which is tacit agreement to surrender legal JURISDICTION
to them to run your family . BAD BAD BAD legal advice Kane. They should
always seek out legal counsel and NOT you!

By the way, krp, THAT is Dan's advice, merely ECHOED by Kane.

Kane has admitted to ""infiltrating"" Family Rights groups.
Dan got caught doing it and ejected.
They have BOTH badmouthed Family Rights groups in general.
They claim they are superior.

The last time Dan infiltrated a group he had already
been kicked out of, he lasted mere weeks because
he just had to vent his spleen about his ""concerns""
with the Constitutional Defense.

That wasn't me.

Obviously it was simply someone else who saw thru the Constitutional
Defense BS.

Even Bob himself didn't use it.

He and his wife signed numerous service agreements witrh CPS.

He actually berates
any legal argument, come to think of it.

I berate any legal argument?

That's quite a broad brush you're using, Greg.

Prove it!

He urges the quicker more expedient solution
to get the kids home. Can you guess what that is?

Beat CPS to the punch!!!





Another one of my favorites is that Dan has
asserted how easy it is to get a CPS Service Plan
corrected when it's wrong.

To hear LIT and him tell it, all a family has to do
is ask the caseworker and they instantly change
the service plan.

Hell, It took years and some really embarassing
court pleadings to get the agency to drop the
""Vocational Rehab"" item even though the item
was totally impossible since they knew I had
no disability. After I called the Vocational Rehab
agency I think Iowa DHS got a rather embarassing
message from the Department Of Vocational Rehab.
That and a taunting, embarassing pleading got
them to remove this totally IMPOSSIBLE service.

They wanted you to get a job, Greg.

Caseworker input into the psych eval said
that I ""perceived myself"" to be an assault victim.

Didn't the little girl's grandfather punch you in the face after he
found out you locked her out of her own home in February with no
shoes, socks or coat?

Investigation of this ""pathology"" was dropped
after the attacker plead GUILTY and spent a night in jail.

I'd like to buy the guy a drink.

We had one caseworker so ****y she stood in the
courthouse hallway wringing her fists like
Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros.
She's the one who perjured herself about
me sending her a threatening e-mail.
(Proving malicious intent, by the way.)

The ""e-mail"" lie was so lame the Judge
rolled his eyes, knowing full well she lied
on the witness stand.

Were you in the courtroom, Greg?

I was the one cross examining her.

Did you ask the Judge to have her arrested for perjury?

The Judge should have done that.

Greg, if you and your Family Rights friends have all the best answers,
tactics and strategy, why hasn't the girl been returned to her mother?

We follow all of your advice Dan!
We pucker up and kiss caseworker ass as fast as we can!
What ELSE do you suggest we do?

0:-] wrote:
Aw, now wasn't this sweet of you to drive the point home.

I'm a bit shocked though that you managed to strip my name out as
author.

From and including to "Check and mate, dummy." that's my commentary."

Are you having trouble keeping track?

No, your ad hom was equally applicable to Dan, so I saved myself some
typing time.

yawn


0:]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:59:13 -0400, Chas wrote:

Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 28, 7:39 pm, " krp" wrote:
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message

oups.com...



Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing
false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.
Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.
Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines.
I don't care if you believe it or not.
Check and mate, dummy.

I doubt he cares if you care.

Is that too complex for you?

I know it to be true, because I ran my cases thru him and he filled in
a lot of information as to the way CPS CWs think, and what really
needed to be accomplished to get children reunited with to their
parents.

Dozens of kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude for the fact they're out
of fostercare.



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