Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless Of Cultural Norm

Stop exposing your STUPIDITY, Kane! ;-)

Doan

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
....hihihi.....

R R R R R


So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once again,
you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi!

Doan


On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
.........hihihi...............

snicker


Hahaha! I thought that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. You are such
a STUPID liar! ;-)

Doan

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
.....hihihi.....

chuckle


On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

krp wrote:
"0:-" wrote in message
news:VZadnTfKcrfscDrYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@scnresearch. com...

First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be
implied.
Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you
really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.
There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children.

Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy?
Did you notice, Ken, that Doan didn't agree with you? Didn't contribute
anything to the issue?
Should I fly off the handle at him?
I can't think why. He supports you.

Call him names?

That's entirely up to you who you call names. Seems you've chosen me.

Belittle him?

You don't belittle people?

Find
somebody that says bad things about him and proclaim that I agree 100% with
what his detractors claim about him? No Kane - I AM NOT YOU!
Where did I agree 100% with your detractors?

I agree with them when I look at your postings, not with their claims.

I take their claims with a grain of salt. I've said so.

My status or yours as having been spanked or not is not relevant to the
issue if we are going to discuss facts....and FACTS seem to be what you
claim you have.
A lack of discipline as a child can and usually does explain abusive
behavior in adults.
A lack of personally integrated self control, by way of developing a
conscience, usually does explain abusive behavior in adults.

Now which is it for you, Ken?

Still now "scientific" proof from Kane! ;-)

Doan

"0:-" wrote in message
...
krp wrote:
"0:-" wrote in message
oups.com...

(snip)

want to debate, or Ron does, then DEBATE.

Ron made it plain to you, and I've reiterated, that you invited him to a
party he doesn't attend. You brought up his name, I think addressing me
mistakenly. He responded.

He does see that you are a blow hard and are not producing evidence.

Even though he and I have some clearly defined differences between us on
the issues of CP, he knows you are in way over your head.

Wurd!

Ron

"0:-" wrote in message
news:hOednaxZp_c4yTTYnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@scnresearch. com...

First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be
implied.
Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and
anxiety
is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they
included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you
really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no
verbal
abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will
be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little
Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.
There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children.

Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy?

Did you notice, Ken, that Doan didn't agree with you? Didn't contribute
anything to the issue?

Should I fly off the handle at him?

I can't think why. He supports you.

Oh does he? Were those HIS lips on my ass? Grow up Kane the paranoid.

Call him names?

That's entirely up to you who you call names. Seems you've chosen me.

I have not called you anything you haven't earned.

Belittle him?

You don't belittle people?

Only people who beg for it, like you and Ron.

Find
somebody that says bad things about him and proclaim that I agree 100%
with what his detractors claim about him? No Kane - I AM NOT YOU!

Where did I agree 100% with your detractors?

Come on Kane. If Moore takes a shap turn the concussion of your nose
coming out of his ass would be loud enough to break windows in 17 states!

I agree with them when I look at your postings, not with their claims.

I take their claims with a grain of salt. I've said so.

You swallow them whole. You NEED to. Otherwise you'd have to confron
that your Emperor is buck naked!

My status or yours as having been spanked or not is not relevant to the
issue if we are going to discuss facts....and FACTS seem to be what you
claim you have.

A lack of discipline as a child can and usually does explain abusive
behavior in adults.

A lack of personally integrated self control, by way of developing a
conscience, usually does explain abusive behavior in adults.

Kane - most people are natural self regulators. The vast majority of
humans are both with the capacity for empathy. Those that are not fall into
two categories, those who CAN be taught self regulation and those who
cannot. Those who CAN be taught self regulation (depends on where they fall
on the spectrum) learn by corporal punishment. TGhey don't call a child's
ASS the "seat of learning" for nothing.

The problem with people like you, HARD LINE EXTREMISTS, is that
intelectually you can't differentiate between beating a child into a coma,
and a spanking that may leave the kid's ass sore and red. Your view can't
discriminate between a parent insane with anger and a parent who loves their
child enough to correct them. It's beyond the scope of your experience to
understand that most parents really dread corporal puunishment and causing
the child they love pain. YOU need to believe they enjoy it.

krp wrote:
.....a clear attempt to dodge by posting to ascps, instead of just aps
where this particular debate belongs. ...

I invite you to meet me in aps to continue this brilliant dialogue you
posted.

Thanks, Kane

"Ron" wrote in message
...
(snip)

Ron there are children who self discipline. They never need a
spanking.
(snip)

Kenny, I'm not involved in this discussion, and rarely comment on CP
issues. Do some research dopy, get the facts before you again make
yourself look like an idiot.

I see you deliberately SNIPPED all references to the claims of Dr.
Gelles and the refutations from Dr. Steinmetz and Dr. Spock..

Yes, they were not relevant to my post. Only your own stupidity.


Yeah they are but feel FREE to show us your "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" that
spanking CAUSES aggression in children.
So you can "DEBATE" me.

I don't have any such proof ken, and have never claimed it. The only
thing I have proven is that you are a liar, again. But you should be
getting that point by now, everyone else is.

I knew that from the start because there isn't any! I am getting the
point that you could use some in-patient care at a mental facility Ron.
There is, then, NO "debate" and the challenges were mental aberrations.
OKAY!

"Doan" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Ron wrote:

Ron there are children who self discipline. They never need a
spanking.
(snip)

Kenny, I'm not involved in this discussion, and rarely comment on CP
issues. Do some research dopy, get the facts before you again make
yourself look like an idiot.

I see you deliberately SNIPPED all references to the claims of Dr.
Gelles and the refutations from Dr. Steinmetz and Dr. Spock..

Yes, they were not relevant to my post. Only your own stupidity.


Yeah they are but feel FREE to show us your "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" that
spanking CAUSES aggression in children.
So you can "DEBATE" me.

I don't have any such proof ken, and have never claimed it. The only
thing
I have proven is that you are a liar, again. But you should be getting
that
point by now, everyone else is.

Ron

Kane is claiming that he has the proof, Ron.


Neither of them do, it's BULL****!

"0:-" wrote in message
news:_PKdnZpLa_7H9zTYnZ2dnUVZ_oTinZ2d@scnresearch. com...

Tell us Kane where is your proof that a spanking will cause a child to
become a wild beast? Or will you admit like Ron that you lied and you have
NO proof????
I bet you don't have it in you. It's that you find it impossible to admit
you're wrong about things. It's a personality defect.

"Doan" wrote in message
...

Yeah they are but feel FREE to show us your "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" that
spanking CAUSES aggression in children.
So you can "DEBATE" me.

Well, I can see that my attempt to open a debate with you, based on
your claims (I made none related to your reply) is not going to go
anywhere. You still can't seem to stop lying.

I see you cannot address the "debate" with scientific evidence to
support YOUR endorsement of spanking causing children to be aggressive,
instead you make the debate about ME! Noted. You lose again!

And you have attempted to draw others into this exchange between you
and
I.

Nope I have NOT. LIAR!

I said I'd debate YOU, and no one else.

That's YOUR problem not mine. So far you aren't debating me but
you're
whining like a child and changing the subject.

Oddly enough you pick the person who holds opinions that differ with
mine
on the subject of corporal punishment who I respect in these
forums, and try to force him to my side on this issue.

I didn't pick anyone Kane.

I asked you to debate me, and with specific simple easily met
conditions. Clarification of terms, mostly. And to confine ourselves to
aps, and each other in the debate.

Fine show me scientific evidence to support your position. YOU WON'T!
YOU CAN'T! SO you make this about me. What debating skills.

You have shown me that you refuse.

No it is YOU who is refusing.

Let's start at the beginning. I posted a quote from an article on an
international study, a survey of families in a number of countries,
across the spectrum of CP acceptability or rejection.

Let's start with one point of agreement. A "survey" is NOT a "study"
and
typically is NOT "scientific." Certainly NOT proof of causality.

It was met with comments by Doan and LaVonne, and you dropped in at one
point with this comment, your first, in the thread:

"There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children. "

There isn't! You have repeatedly been challenged to present some, to
this
point you have REFUSED to do so!

You made this statement in reply to Doan's claim that the title of the
article was bogus.

The claim IS bogus from a scientific standpoint. Uf you want to
debate
that, SHOW US YOUR EVIDENCE!

Now if you two wish to sign each other's dance card, be my guest, but
I, Kane, offerred to take you up on your claim.

No you have chosen so far to be a blowhard. Present your evidence ort
admit defeat!

You have chosen, so far to go everywhere but to my challenge.

I went straight at it. Present your PROOF!!! Burden is on YOU.

You have NOT, as I requested, clarified what you would consider
"acceptable," in "scientifically acceptable evidence," and you have not
stuck to aps as the forum to have our debate in.

I don't subscribe to that forum. Why must I confine it there? What's
scientifically acceptable? A "study" (not a survey) conducted by a
qualified
authority that uses the scientific mthod to demonstrate causality. NOT
an
opinion piece by another blowhard you agree with. SCIENCE documented as
to
methodology and verified and subjected to peer review published in a
recognized journal.

You have not presented your evidence for proof of sociopathy in
children being produced by a lack of "spanking," as you put it. And you
most certainly made a statement that this is true because more
sociopathogy is present now than in the past in the population.

Yeah I did, you snipped it and ignore it.

This was presented as fiat but NO proof, no data, no facts, no
authoritative sources.

YOU made the dogmatic claim that spanking "CAUSES AGRESSION IN
CHILDREN"
Yopu have not offered anything by an OPINION piece bereft opf har
evidence.

If you wish to have a war of opinions you can certainly do so. But, Ken
it was NOT I who made a claim about this issue, I simply posted an
article and YOU then made personal claims regarding and quoted by me as
above.

You claim the article is definative. I said it isn't ans asked for
PROOF
from you that it is CAUSAL. SO far - 100% of your efforts have been
attacks
on ME and NADA as to evidence to support the original bull**** claim.

Debate here in aps without crossposting. Debate with ME alone. Agree to
and adhere to no ad hom. Remove all personal issues about me or other
posters.

You first and I will maintain ASCPS. Afraid? Need to summon your
supporters? Want a firendly forum?

Define your terms. I will not debate with opinion.

YOU FIRST!

And then use YOUR definitions of your terms to make your argument.

"There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children. "

I have started, BUT - YOU made the original claimm and REFUSE to
present
supporting evidence. Again OPINION SURVEYS are NOT "science!"
PERIOD!

Gelles et al are not the only researchers.

Just the most respected.

As I said, define what you mean by 'acceptable,' in terms that go
beyond
opinion, and show your evidence....beyond opinion, that would
meet your definition of "scientifically acceptable evidence," for lack
of
spanking producing sociopathology in children.

YOU FIRST!

Can you handle it? Can you control yourself? Let's see.

Physician heal thyself first.

I will cross post this out to ascps soley that you might not miss it.


Tell you what Kane. Post it ONLY do your spanking newsgroup so I
won't
have to see your whining bull****. Then you can declare yourself to be
the
WINNER in your little circle, opr debate me OPENLY and start presenting
FACTS and not your usual bull****.

The exchange between us on topic won't begin until you meet those
simple
criteria, including posting only to aps.


No - weenie - YOU do NOT get to make all the rules Mein Fuehrer!
Debate
me openly or STFU! And start presenting scientific evidence to support
your
claim. You do NOT get to throw a hissy-fit and demand that I disprove
your
silly bull**** first. Get one thing through your head Kane you are NOT
the
BOSS here, NOT with me you ain't. Save that bull**** for people you CAN
bully into giving up their kids to you! You don't come remotely close to
scaring me pr making me back down. Now if you really want to debate -
PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE and then I will respond to it.

My bet is Kane won't and can't. He got his ass kicked by me so many in
this newsgroup that he now afraid to face me directly because I keep
exposing his STUPIDITY so that everyone can see it. His latest STUPIDITY
is this claim:

"Correlation is a valid scientific concept. It is and has been used
successfully to make major policy and decisions to action on things
as varied as rocket launches, and what to serve for breakfast."

Of course it is. Often in "science" as opposed to CPS voo doo,
"correlation" is the best evidence we have because "causation" is so hard to
prove. But in this case Kane has NADA! Ron has finally admitted he has NO
evidence of any kind. Progress toward sanity.

"0:-" wrote in message
...
Doan wrote:

....hihihi....

"Correlation is a valid scientific concept. It is and has been used
successfully to make major policy and decisions to action on things
as varied as rocket launches, and what to serve for breakfast."

\
I see - NO substantive retort. As expected.

"inkspot" wrote in message
...
I'm not even gonna OT these gems - I luv it when you clowns kook out.


Buit Kane actually believe he has DEVASTATED everyone who has disagred with
him. PLEASE don't tell him he hasn't., His delusions are so much fun.


0:- wrote:
Doan wrote:
....hihihi.....

R R R R R


So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once
again,
you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi!

Doan


On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
.........hihihi...............

snicker


Hahaha! I thought that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. You are
such
a STUPID liar! ;-)

Doan

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
.....hihihi.....

chuckle


On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

krp wrote:
"0:-" wrote in message
news:VZadnTfKcrfscDrYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@scnresearch. com...

First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can
be
implied.
Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression
and anxiety
is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they
included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If
you
really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot -
no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is
you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your
little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.
There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking
causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a
lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children.

Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy?
Did you notice, Ken, that Doan didn't agree with you? Didn't
contribute
anything to the issue?
Should I fly off the handle at him?
I can't think why. He supports you.

Call him names?

That's entirely up to you who you call names. Seems you've chosen
me.

Belittle him?

You don't belittle people?

Find
somebody that says bad things about him and proclaim that I agree
100% with
what his detractors claim about him? No Kane - I AM NOT YOU!
Where did I agree 100% with your detractors?

I agree with them when I look at your postings, not with their
claims.

I take their claims with a grain of salt. I've said so.

My status or yours as having been spanked or not is not relevant
to the
issue if we are going to discuss facts....and FACTS seem to be
what you
claim you have.
A lack of discipline as a child can and usually does explain
abusive
behavior in adults.
A lack of personally integrated self control, by way of developing
a
conscience, usually does explain abusive behavior in adults.

Now which is it for you, Ken?

Still now "scientific" proof from Kane! ;-)

Doan




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