what do you think?

"Karen O'Mara" wrote in message
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"Tiffany" wrote in message
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yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that? lol
(make the mother pay support)

How you doing by the way?

I think the system does make the mother pay child support, if she
works and earns money.

Karen

They do.
V

"MissMissy657" wrote in message
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Hi I am Missy and new to this newsgroup. I have been reading your messages
and
I feel for the situation that you are in. I am a single mother of three
wonderful children. I do not receive support from their father nor do I
fight
for it right now. I am very lucky to have my parents. They allowed me to
move
back in with them and they are helping me out just as you are supporting
your
daughter and grandchild. They way that you explained how the father acted to
me
is he really doesn't want the baby and he is only doing it out of anger that
he
has to actually support the baby. Hang in there it will work out. I know
that
where I am from it takes a lot to take a baby away from a mother who has a
network of support as she does. Just fight for that baby because it sound
that
she is in ahome that wants her and loves her. Not somwhere just because.

Welcome!
V, mom to 9 y.o. girl and 11 y.o. boy

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"Karen O'Mara" wrote in message
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(Bebelestrnge0721) wrote in message
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Hi all that are aware of our situation. A turn of events hit our
household last
night when we picked up the mail. Seems after almost 11 months,
and two weeks

[snip]

It's seems possible to me that the paternal grandparents are not
materialistic and are petitioning with genuine intentions for the
sake
of the baby.

Your daughter does not seem fit to be a mother right now.

If you feel you are fit, perhaps you should try and adopt the
baby.

Karen

That is not an option because it would require consent from the
father.

I would say it is better than 50/50 odds that primary custody will
be awarded to father at this point, and the mother will be required
to pay child support.




yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that? lol
(make the mother pay support)

I should have said 'ordered'.......they will order CS from the mom, but
doubtful they would enforce it.

Ok.... that I can agree with. Doesn't matter....... the daughter makes
no money...... I think there would be no support ordered. But really, it
is irrevelent. Do you see another situation where family court is
going to do bad things to a family? I sure do. Money is going to destroy
another childs life. Sad.

It is already being destroyed by a sick grandmother who only thinks of
herself. The father has a lot going for himself, the child currently
resides in a highly dysfunctional household with a mentaly unstable
mother and grandmother.


Trust Paul to get to the crux of the problem.

She has created a hostile environment for the father.....and she maintains
an 'ownership' mentality toward the grandchild.......neither will play well
with a judge if the father has a competent lawyer.



Christine

"V" wrote in message
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"Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message
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Guess not, guess it has to be a fight now.This is a
damn shame. Bev

Judges see this often. The father sues for 'custody' when pressed for
child
support.

The father has just received 'standing' when sued for child support. Prior
to that, the mother retainins an 'ownership' postition that is almost
imppossible to overcome in court.


You hang in there Bev. Your daughter is on the track to recovery and
therapy
is important to her now.

And is obviously in no position to properly care for a child


I will keep you in my thoughts and send you good vibes.

Keep enabling the dysfunctional......smart move.....................NOT


(((((BEV)))))))
V

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:04:23 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:


"Cele" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:51:09 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:


"Karen O'Mara" wrote in message
e.com...
"Tiffany" wrote in message
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yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that? lol
(make the mother pay support)

How you doing by the way?

I think the system does make the mother pay child support, if she
works and earns money.

Karen

No, typically the CS system is sexist. Do some research if you like. Don't
assume just because it should be that way that it is. If a mother is told
to
pay support, it is also typically lower then when the tables are turned.

T

Not here. Here we have a table. Across the top is the
province/territory of residence, and down the side is the income level
of the noncustodial parent. Embedded are figures at each level for
each number of kids up to, as I remember, four, and after that the
additional amount.

It's applied to determine the amount expected of a noncustodial
parent, regardless of gender. When it came in about ten years ago it
took a lot of unnecessary rubbish out of the courts.

Cele

Tables or not, judges can make there own ruling. I am not going to get into
a major thing about the CS system, that is better done elsewhere. I use to
think things were equal but have since found out they are not.

Ooopp..... you are way up north??? I forgot. Up there, things might be very
different.

Tiff

Canada, Tiff. Whole other country.

Cele

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:50:45 -0500, "P.Fritz"
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"Tiffany" wrote in message
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"Cele" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:51:09 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:


"Karen O'Mara" wrote in message
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"Tiffany" wrote in message
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yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that? lol
(make the mother pay support)

How you doing by the way?

I think the system does make the mother pay child support, if she
works and earns money.

Karen

No, typically the CS system is sexist. Do some research if you like.
Don't
assume just because it should be that way that it is. If a mother is told
to
pay support, it is also typically lower then when the tables are turned.

T

Not here. Here we have a table. Across the top is the
province/territory of residence, and down the side is the income level
of the noncustodial parent. Embedded are figures at each level for
each number of kids up to, as I remember, four, and after that the
additional amount.

It's applied to determine the amount expected of a noncustodial
parent, regardless of gender. When it came in about ten years ago it
took a lot of unnecessary rubbish out of the courts.

Cele

Tables or not, judges can make there own ruling. I am not going to get
into a major thing about the CS system, that is better done elsewhere. I
use to think things were equal but have since found out they are not.

Ooopp..... you are way up north??? I forgot. Up there, things might be
very different.

Here in the states at least.......women are far less likely to be pursued
for CS than men.......and women are more likely to be ordered to pay less
than the guidelines.

But there are other countries in the world, and I live in one of them.

Cele

"Cele" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:50:45 -0500, "P.Fritz"
wrote:


"Tiffany" wrote in message
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"Cele" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:51:09 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:


"Karen O'Mara" wrote in message
gle.com...
"Tiffany" wrote in message
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yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that?
lol
(make the mother pay support)

How you doing by the way?

I think the system does make the mother pay child support, if she
works and earns money.

Karen

No, typically the CS system is sexist. Do some research if you like.
Don't
assume just because it should be that way that it is. If a mother is
told
to
pay support, it is also typically lower then when the tables are
turned.

T

Not here. Here we have a table. Across the top is the
province/territory of residence, and down the side is the income level
of the noncustodial parent. Embedded are figures at each level for
each number of kids up to, as I remember, four, and after that the
additional amount.

It's applied to determine the amount expected of a noncustodial
parent, regardless of gender. When it came in about ten years ago it
took a lot of unnecessary rubbish out of the courts.

Cele

Tables or not, judges can make there own ruling. I am not going to get
into a major thing about the CS system, that is better done elsewhere. I
use to think things were equal but have since found out they are not.

Ooopp..... you are way up north??? I forgot. Up there, things might be
very different.

Here in the states at least.......women are far less likely to be pursued
for CS than men.......and women are more likely to be ordered to pay less
than the guidelines.

But there are other countries in the world, and I live in one of them.

Never said you didn't



Cele

"Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message
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Subject: what do you think?
From: "Tiffany"
Date: 11/16/2004 7:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:


"Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message
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Subject: what do you think?
From: 'Kate
Date: 11/15/2004 3:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:28:04 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:

You suck! lol

T

Oh god.. I hope he does!

yeah but I've heard he sucks at sucking don't waist yer time, he'll
leave
ya
hanging, and god that sucks !
AS does our situation, which sucks that these two suckers had to take it
off
topic in thier sucky sucked up way. Ya know whether or not I am metally
ill
(which I am not) or my daughter is mentally ill , we love this baby with
all
our hearts, Paul has disliked me from day one and I really don't care, I
expected him to be the asshole he is. Tomorrow we will fight the fight
many
parents have fought, It is heart breaking to everyone , If my daughter
losses
her baby because of her mental health, I will hurt for her as any mother
would
for thier childs pain, Is it possible, yeah it is, it hurts, it hurts a
lot,
and it sucks that Paul and Tiff suck and you are so hard up for it you
lost
compassion. So if "What you think" about what is happening for us is you
pray
to a god you don't believe in that Paul "sucks"
Well thanks for your advice Kate, but I'm sucked fine , he is all yours.


'K

What the hell is your problem? Paul commented to me that he was going to
the
islands for the new year and I said he sucks. There was no sexual innuendo
there..... Kate made the extra comment. He did not take it off topic, he
told you exactly how he felt. That hurt I am sure but his thinking might
be
the JUDGES thinking too. Better get use to it.

T

Come on Tiff, stop playing that that was an all sweet non-sexual comment
from
Kate.
I am sorry if I misunderstood your intentions of the word, but I know what
Kate
meant...heh.. she is like that, she likes to play. I am upset with her
choice
to use my thread to do so.


I am sure she might have been playing around.... so what? Its wrong to make
a joke in the mist of a serious situation? BTW, I wasn't playing that it was
a non-sexual comment from Kate. I was stating that it didn't start out as
anything other then me telling Paul he sucks for going to the islands. This
is Usenet, anyone can make any comment in any thread.

It was not inappropriate either. I would have replied to Kate's joking but I
am trying to keep my hormones under control.

T

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"Karen O'Mara" wrote in message
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(Bebelestrnge0721) wrote in message
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Hi all that are aware of our situation. A turn of events hit our
household last
night when we picked up the mail. Seems after almost 11 months,
and two weeks

[snip]

It's seems possible to me that the paternal grandparents are not
materialistic and are petitioning with genuine intentions for the
sake
of the baby.

Your daughter does not seem fit to be a mother right now.

If you feel you are fit, perhaps you should try and adopt the baby.

Karen

That is not an option because it would require consent from the
father.

I would say it is better than 50/50 odds that primary custody will be
awarded to father at this point, and the mother will be required to
pay child support.




yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that? lol
(make the mother pay support)

I should have said 'ordered'.......they will order CS from the mom, but
doubtful they would enforce it.




How you doing by the way?

Hanging in there........doing lots of chauffeur work LOL.

Looking forward to New Yeas in the Carribean again :-)


Can I come? ~bats eyelashes~

You trying to make Tiff jealous again? LOL



Christine




Again, I am trying to keep the hormones in check. I will not play this
game.... not today.

ps..... how many times must I tell you, I am not the jealous type. Now back
off Christine! jk hun

T

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"Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message
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Subject: what do you think?
From: "P.Fritz"
Date: 11/15/2004 5:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:


"Tiffany" wrote in message
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"Karen O'Mara" wrote in message
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"Tiffany" wrote in message
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yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that?
lol
(make the mother pay support)

How you doing by the way?

I think the system does make the mother pay child support, if she
works and earns money.

Karen

No, typically the CS system is sexist. Do some research if you like.
Don't
assume just because it should be that way that it is. If a mother is
told
to pay support, it is also typically lower then when the tables are
turned.


And enforcement is next to non existent.



It takes a while but they catch up with the deadbeats !


LMAO....... sometimes. They really don't pursue women as hard as men
though. Research it.

Cripes she is clueless.............they don't give a crap about low income
individuals.........the dirty little secret is that the CS agencies get a
kickback from the state and feds for every dollar of CS they collect. It
costs them more chasing the low incomes than what they get back, so the
aggresvely pursue the high income cases.





One really doesn't get it until they talk to people and look into it. I
thought it was a fair system at one point too. Education is the key here.

T