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Feds vs. Episiotomy (also: Vagina lips sliced off; vagina fused/closed)
FEDS VS. EPISIOTOMY
There's no medical purpose for routine episiotomy. Routine vagina slicing generally entails closing the birth canal up to 30% (semisitting/dorsal delivery) then surgically claiming to be doing everything to open the birth canal. It's an obvious fraud - it serves no medical purpose - and is therefore illegal under the federal female genital mutilation statute quoted below. Birth-canal-closing (semisitting) is currently being promoted by Oregon's only medical school - Oregon Health & Sciences University/ OHSU... Oregon's medical students are likely being trained to slice vaginas to open the birth canal - as they close the birth canal the "extra" up to 30%. See Criminal CAM obstetrics: 'CAM positive' vs. 'CAM negative' http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...faebc730de079b Attention Oregon Atty Genl Hardy Myers (via ) prosecute it any way you can - but please at least stop MD- obstetricians from KEEPING birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% as they offer "generous" episiotomies which sometimes rip clear to the anus as they pull with hands, forceps, and/or vacuums (an estimated 1 in 10 births, according to ACOG). VAGINA LIPS SLICED OFF; VAGINA FUSED/CLOSED Labia minora are sliced off - the inside of labia majora is sliced off - the vagina is fused/closed - her husband uses a knife to impregnate - vagina fuses/closes again - her MD uses a knife to let the baby out. It's called Pharaonic circumcision. See Wikipedia excerpt below. I WROTE: Infant penis ripping, vaccination and breastfeeding http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...13d1e144c9b801 SNUGGLEMONSTER REPLIED: "Todd, just a word of friendly advice: maybe you should be more proactive on female circumcision that is now starting to reach America. I mean, seriosuly, if you really want to talk mutilation...." http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4d588e7ef4d48a I REPLY TO SNUGGLEMONSTER... Snugglemonster, Thank you for your friendly word of advice. As you are probably aware, female genital mutilation is now, explicitly, a federal and state CRIME in America. http://www.ndaa-apri.org/pdf/ncpca_s...ilation_06.pdf Sadly, the federal and state laws sexually discriminate - females are offered protection; males are NOT offered the same protection. Of course, the federal statute was unnecessary: All 50 state child abuse statutes make it clear that slicing the genitals of children with no medical indication is a crime. Hey! I just realized... The federal statute only exempts vagina slicing at birth if it is done for a "medical purposes." Furthermore, the statute does NOT exempt vagina slicing based on mere "belief" on the part of MDs ("any other person") "that the operation is required as a matter of custom or ritual"... 18 USCS § 116 (2006) Female genital mutilation (a) Except as provided in subsection (b), whoever knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not attained the age of 18 years shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both. (b) A surgical operation is not a violation of this section if the operation is-- (1) necessary to the health of the person on whom it is performed, and is performed by a person licensed in the place of its performance as a medical practitioner; or (2) performed on a person in labor or who has just given birth and is performed for medical purposes connected with that labor or birth by a person licensed in the place it is performed as a medical practitioner, midwife, or person in training to become such a practitioner or midwife. (c) In applying subsection (b)(1), no account shall be taken of the effect on the person on whom the operation is to be performed of any belief on the part of that person, or any other person, that the operation is required as a matter of custom or ritual.1 http://www.ndaa-apri.org/pdf/ncpca_s...ilation_06.pdf Snugglemonster, THANKS for indirectly calling my attention back to the federal genital mutilation statute. MDs are slicing vaginas without informing women that they are closing birth canals up to 30%. Failure to obtain true informed consent is the crime of battery. MD experts lying to cover-up just makes the crime worse. For the Four OB Lies (they are whoppers), see "Dents in babies' skulls" URL below... It's obvious sexual assault/battery - in ADDITION to meeting the federal statutory definition of female genital mutilation. Paraphrasing Snugglemonster, I **HAVE** been talking [female] mutilation - seriously... As I wrote in the post to which Snugglemonster responded... BEGIN excerpt of Infant penis ripping, vaccination and breastfeeding http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...13d1e144c9b801 GRISLY AS IT IS... THE INFANT PENIS SLICING IS RELATIVELY MINOR CRIME... As indicated above, MDs are senselessly closing birth canals up to 30% and senselessly slicing ADULT VAGINAS - not to mention senselessly robbing babies of up to 50% of their blood volume... MD-obstetrician experts have been lying to cover-up the senseless birth-canal-closing. For the Four OB Cover-up lies... See also: Dents in babies' skulls" http://groups.google.com/group/ misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/08abfc7ff242150e Alternate URL: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/3897 THE MASS VAGINA SLICING IS MASS **ADULT** ABUSE BY MDs MDs are closing birth canals up to 30% then slicing vaginas surgically/fraudulently inferring they are doing everything possible open birth canals. Vagina slicing - ostensibly to widen the birth canal and prevent tears - should never be done with the birth canal closed up to 30% (see above) - yet this obvious obstetric crime is ROUTINE - and costly... The mass vagina slicing itself is performed for free... But the mass vagina slicing causes severe perineal trauma that is not treated for free.... According to NIH research (Shiono et al.), mass vagina slicing/routine episiotomy is known to increase severe perineal tears by 50X, and, "The most common diagnosis for hospitalization among all women is trauma to perineum due to childbirth." http://www.ahcpr.gov/data/hcup /factbk3/factbk3.htm ROUTINE EPISIOTOMY - IT'S MASS SEXUAL ASSAULT BY MDs According to the National Center for Victims of Crime, "...examples of sexual assault include..Someone putting...an object in or on your vagina...when you don't want them to...A doctor, nurse, or other health care professional giving you an unnecessary internal examination or touching your sexual organs in an unprofessional, unwarranted and inappropriate manner." http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?d...r&DocumentID=3... END excerpt of Infant penis ripping, vaccination and breastfeeding http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...13d1e144c9b801 WHEN THE EPISIOTOMY WOUND GETS INFECTED... AMPUTATING VAGINA LIPS AFTER EPISIOTOMY "If the infection is deep, involves muscles and is causing necrosis (necrotizing fasciitis), give a combination of antibiotics until necrotic tissue has been removed...Note: Necrotizing fasciitis requires wide surgical debridement." http://www.who.int/reproductive-heal...y_P71_P75.html "WIDE SURGICAL DEBRIDEMENT" BRINGS ME TO... PHARAONIC CIRCUMCISION... From Wikipedia, a description of what appears to me the most severe form of female genital manipulation. "[i]nfibulation or pharaonic circumcision...involves extensive tissue removal of the external genitalia, including all of the labia minora and the inside of the labia majora, leaving a raw open wound. The labia majora are then held together using thorns or stitching and the girl's legs are tied together for two - six weeks, to prevent her from moving and allow the healing of the two sides of the vulva. Nothing remains of the normal anatomy of the genitalia, except for a wall of flesh from the pubis down to the anus, with the exception of a pencil- size opening at the inferior portion of the vulva to allow urine and menstrual blood to pass through, see Diagram 1D. This type of FGC is often carried out by an elderly matron or midwife of the village on girls between the ages of two and six, without anaesthetic and under unhygienic conditions.[11]...A reverse infibulation can be performed to allow for sexual intercourse (often by the husband using a knife on the wedding night) or when undergoing labor, or by female relatives, whose responsibility it is to inspect the wound every few weeks and open it some more if necessary. During childbirth, the enlargement is too small to allow vaginal delivery, and so the infibulation must be opened completely and restored after delivery. Once again, the legs are tied together to allow the wound to heal, and the procedure is repeated for each subsequent act of intercourse or childbirth. When childbirth takes place in a hospital, the surgeons may preserve the infibulation by enlarging the vagina with deep episiotomies. Afterwards, the patient may insist that her vulva be closed again so that her husband does not reject her.[11]...This practice is reported to cause the disappearance of sexual pleasure for the women affected, as well as major medical complications. Most advocates of the practice continue to perform the procedure in adherence to standards of beauty that are very different from those in the west. Many infibulated women will contend that the pleasure their partners receive due to this procedure is a definitive part of a successful marriage." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting AGAIN... The federal female genital mutilation statute only exempts vagina slicing at birth if it is done for a "medical purposes." Furthermore, the statute does NOT exempt vagina slicing based on mere "belief" on the part of MDs ("any other person") "that the operation is required as a matter of custom or ritual." See above. Again, I thank Snugglemonster: THANKS for indirectly calling my attention back to the federal genital mutilation statute. Birth-canal-closing (semisitting) is currently being promoted by Oregon's only medical school - Oregon Health & Sciences University/ OHSU... Oregon's medical students are likely being trained to slice vaginas to open the birth canal - as they close the birth canal the "extra" up to 30%. Attention Oregon Atty Genl Hardy Myers (via ) prosecute it any way you can - but please at least stop MD- obstetricians from KEEPING birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% as they offer "generous" episiotomies which sometimes rip clear to the anus as they pull with hands, forceps, and/or vacuums (an estimated 1 in 10 births, according to ACOG). Thanks for reading everyone. Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo Hillsboro, Oregon USA This post will be archived for global access in the Google usenet archive. Search http://groups.google.com for "Feds vs. Episiotomy (also: Vagina lips sliced off; vagina fused/closed)" |
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Feds vs. Episiotomy (also: Vagina lips sliced off; vagina fused/closed)
What do you want - people to live like they did tens of thousands of
year ago in caves? Risking damage to themselves and their babies? Possibly causing life threatening issues or making situations arise where they are unable to get pregnant again? My wife NEEDED an episiotomy and she was lucky enough to have a good doctor that made the incision on a diagonal so as not to go near her bottom. The last of my DW's stitches fell out and she's A.O.K. ! She had gestational diabetes, DS's cord wrapped around his neck during delivery, episiotomy... This isn't the dark ages! This is civilisation! Modern medicine! Certain situations call for certain and often drastic measures to be taken to insure everyone makes it through delivery A.O.K. I mean, it's common sense! I don't get you at all - you really should devert your time to doing something proactive in your community instead of trying to brainwash or scare people. So I guess the baby should just force itself through a woman's vagina and tear her so bad that she might not ever be able to recover or have another baby naturally or who-knows-what! (I know, I should know better and not even respond.) |
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Feds vs. Episiotomy (also: Vagina lips sliced off; vagina fused/closed)
On Jun 5, 2:53 pm, Snugglemonster wrote:
snip Todd Gastaldo is a nutcase and a troll, and annoys everyone with his spamming of his lengthy, repetitive screeds. But I am quite confident that his main point about childbirth is essentially correct - although he's such a bad advocate for it, one could almost think that he'd been planted by the other side to ridicule it! Andrew Usher |
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Feds vs. Episiotomy (also: Vagina lips sliced off; vagina fused/closed)
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Feds vs. Episiotomy (also: Vagina lips sliced off; vagina fused/closed)
I understand that you are trying to generate awareness and be
informative. I also understand about all the various birthing positions to help with labor and avoid episiotomy. But the funny thing about all the "natural" childbirth stuff is that while my wife was in labor, a half dozen or so mothers came in to the hospital from the local birthing center (where they try to do everything natural). We met one of these mothers in the hospital and she ended up with a c- section. Sure, episiotomy may be happening too much or unneccessary , and maybe certain birthing positions could help that, but in my case: my wife was having brutal contractions where she NEEDED pain relief at 4cm's. Her standing or going on her knees was not going to help her discomfort. I don't know about the episiotomy affecting the pelvic floor, I sure hope not, but if it does, it's something I guess the wife will have to live with. But there's no way she was going to FORCE a c-section and let alone NOT have an epidural. We wantd to go natural but her body just couldn't do it. All I am trying to say is yes, there are options, there is "natural" child birth, but sometimes mother nature and the body and the baby are all not on the same page and certain measures are called for. In the end, as long as mother's health in the long term are OK and baby is OK, i think c-sections and episiotomies are just fine. |
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Feds vs. Episiotomy (also: Vagina lips sliced off; vagina fused/closed)
On Jun 6, 11:42 am, Larry Mcmahan wrote:
Hi Snugglemonster, I am glad you are still with us and while I don't want to appear to you to be a "nutcase", too. I have to take exception with some of your remarks regarding episiotomy. Larry In article .com, says... What do you want - people to live like they did tens of thousands of year ago in caves? Risking damage to themselves and their babies? Possibly causing life threatening issues or making situations arise where they are unable to get pregnant again? Nope. I just want them to read and head the results of the research literature and make informed decisions about their care. The actual scientific truth about episiotomy is that it is rarely needed, even when OBs think and say that it is. It IS vastly overutilized! My wife NEEDED an episiotomy and she was lucky enough to have a good doctor that made the incision on a diagonal so as not to go near her bottom. The last of my DW's stitches fell out and she's A.O.K. ! I am glad that he "did a good job", however pelvic floor damage resulting from episiotomy is often not apparent until months or sometimes even years later. She had gestational diabetes, DS's cord wrapped around his neck during delivery, episiotomy... Neither of these conditions are necessarily indications for episiotomy. Let me expand further. The reason GD might be cited as a indicator for episiotomy is macrosomia. So, in response, I would ask how large was your baby at birth? What position was your wife in when she gave birth? Finally, how many times was the cord wrapped around the baby's neck? These all play into the difficulty for birth. Looking at the second question first, as Todd is fond of (correctly) pointing out, some birth positions can close the birth canal up to 30% compared to more favorable positions. The best positions are all fours (hands and knees), standing squat, squatting, and side lying with leg support. The WORST positions are lying on the back or sitting. This fact is a very good reason why it is better to avoid epidurals for giving birth, as they often require the mother to be in a disadvantaged position. In a disadvantaged position, a woman may have trouble giving birth to a baby bigger than 7 lbs, while she could give birth to a 10 lb baby in a better position. This should not be overlooked. Looking at the last question, it is quite common for a baby's cord to be wrapped around its neck. It is wrapped once in about 30% of all births, and the remedy is usually quite simply slipping the cord over the baby's head. It is wrapped twice in about 10% of all births, and this requires some more care, but is not usually considered a critical issue. It can be unwrapped as in the first case, or in a few instances must be cut. If the cord is wrapped 3 times or more (2% of all births) then the cord must often be cut to birth the baby. I think it would be quite rare to also REQUIRE an episiotomy. Your wife may have required an episiotomy, but it is likely that less invasive means would have done just a well, given a knowledgeable caregiver at birth. This isn't the dark ages! This is civilisation! Modern medicine! Certain situations call for certain and often drastic measures to be taken to insure everyone makes it through delivery A.O.K. I mean, it's common sense! I agree with this statement, but my conclusion is that it means that episiotomies are oversold by the medical establishment and rarely needed! So I guess the baby should just force itself through a woman's vagina and tear her so bad that she might not ever be able to recover or have another baby naturally or who-knows-what! I'm sorry, but this statement is just made out of ignorance. Multiple studies have shown that the damage done by a natural tear is in general much less severe and heals better than a cut, and that birthing subsequent babies is EASIER, not harder. Larry I spam I suck!**** i am |
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