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Paddling in schools?!
Not to start a spanking debate - I swear!
On another forum there is a thread about spanking. Someone mentioned paddling in schools. Apparently this is still doing done?! At the beginning of the year when parents are given all the usual forms to fill out, there's also one to give permission or not for paddling. Please tell me this is out-dated info. Does anyone know of a school or school district where this is still done? I'm 31, went to school in North Carolina, and don't remember kids being paddled back then so I can't imagine it being done now. Sophie #4 due 7/18/04 |
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Paddling in schools?!
Sophie wrote:
Not to start a spanking debate - I swear! On another forum there is a thread about spanking. Someone mentioned paddling in schools. Apparently this is still doing done?! At the beginning of the year when parents are given all the usual forms to fill out, there's also one to give permission or not for paddling. Please tell me this is out-dated info. Does anyone know of a school or school district where this is still done? I'm 31, went to school in North Carolina, and don't remember kids being paddled back then so I can't imagine it being done now. Sophie #4 due 7/18/04 Sophie - Congratulations, btw, on the latest addition. Paddling is absolutely not done here. (Wake County, NC) I think it may have happened some when I was a kid, but not much. None of the punishments at our school are remotely physical - most teachers set up a system where students "pull a card" for various infractions, and after x cards per day he or she might have to visit the principal or call mom or dad. I'm being a bit dense today - is the form one you had for your child's school, or someone on the other thread mentioned? Lesley |
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Paddling in schools?!
Sophie wrote:
Not to start a spanking debate - I swear! On another forum there is a thread about spanking. Someone mentioned paddling in schools. Apparently this is still doing done?! At the beginning of the year when parents are given all the usual forms to fill out, there's also one to give permission or not for paddling. Please tell me this is out-dated info. Does anyone know of a school or school district where this is still done? I'm 31, went to school in North Carolina, and don't remember kids being paddled back then so I can't imagine it being done now. I'm 27 and I remember kids being paddled in school. IIRC, they stopped paddling out my school when I was in 5th grade. I think they called your parents to tell you they were paddling before they actually did the paddling - I don't know if it was to ask permission or if they did it over parents objections or what. Manda |
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Paddling in schools?!
"Sophie" wrote in message ... Not to start a spanking debate - I swear! On another forum there is a thread about spanking. Someone mentioned paddling in schools. Apparently this is still doing done?! At the beginning of the year when parents are given all the usual forms to fill out, there's also one to give permission or not for paddling. Please tell me this is out-dated info. Does anyone know of a school or school district where this is still done? I'm 31, went to school in North Carolina, and don't remember kids being paddled back then so I can't imagine it being done now. Still legal in TN, on a district-by-district and school-by-school basis. Only administrators can paddle, and parents must request in writing that CP NOT be used on their children if their child attends a school where the admin uses this option. Generally the admin calls the parent and gives the parent the choice of their child being paddled or suspended. It's not used very often, in my experience. Sophie #4 due 7/18/04 |
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Paddling in schools?!
"Sophie" wrote in message
... I'm 31, went to school in North Carolina, and don't remember kids being paddled back then so I can't imagine it being done now. I don't know about now, but it was a fairly regular occurrence when I went to elementary school in the late 70's/early 80's in Ohio. My 5th grade teacher had a big paddle with lots of little holes in it (so it would sting more) that read "Board of Education". He kept it out all the time, displayed on top of the chalkboard in the front of the room. He was just a *bit* strange in general though. My mom used to say he only became a teacher to avoid being drafted for the Vietnam War. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some school somewhere that still does it. -- Cheryl S. Mom to Julie, 2 yr., 8 mo. And Jaden, 3 months Cleaning the house while your children are small is like shoveling the sidewalk while it's still snowing. |
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Paddling in schools?!
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:08:40 -0500, "Sophie"
wrote: Not to start a spanking debate - I swear! On another forum there is a thread about spanking. Someone mentioned paddling in schools. Apparently this is still doing done?! 23 states in the US still allow paddling. At the beginning of the year when parents are given all the usual forms to fill out, there's also one to give permission or not for paddling. Please tell me this is out-dated info. Nope, not outdated. http://tinyurl.com/xm8g Does anyone know of a school or school district where this is still done? I'm 31, went to school in North Carolina, and don't remember kids being paddled back then so I can't imagine it being done now. In North Carolina, some districts allow it and others don't. Corporal Punishment in U.S. Public Schools 1999-2000 School Year: data released February, 2003 In the U.S. as a whole, 342,038 students were subjected to corporal punishment. This is a drop of 7% from the previous survey two years earlier [taking enrollment increases into account], continuing a steady trend. Total U.S. public school enrollment was 46,306,355 students in '99-2000. Twenty- seven states and the District of Columbia now have prohibited all corporal punishment in public schools. Sophie #4 due 7/18/04 -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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Paddling in schools?!
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:02:03 -0500, "Cheryl S."
wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if there is some school somewhere that still does it. In 23 states, it is legal and though I believe it has decreased in frequency, it is still done in plenty of schools in Alabama Arizona Arkansas Colorado Delaware Florida Georgia Idaho Indiana Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Mississippi Missouri New Mexico North Carolina Ohio Oklahoma Pennsylvania South Carolina Tennessee Texas Wyoming -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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Paddling in schools?!
Sophie wrote: Not to start a spanking debate - I swear! On another forum there is a thread about spanking. Someone mentioned paddling in schools. Apparently this is still doing done?! At the beginning of the year when parents are given all the usual forms to fill out, there's also one to give permission or not for paddling. Please tell me this is out-dated info. Does anyone know of a school or school district where this is still done? Lol, I thought you were referring to outrigger canoe paddling, like as a school sport (popular where I am). Ok, with that said, I've never heard of paddling in schools, I grew up in California. Maybe its not as common on the west coast? cara |
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Paddling in schools?!
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:23:10 GMT, cara
wrote: Sophie wrote: Not to start a spanking debate - I swear! On another forum there is a thread about spanking. Someone mentioned paddling in schools. Apparently this is still doing done?! At the beginning of the year when parents are given all the usual forms to fill out, there's also one to give permission or not for paddling. Please tell me this is out-dated info. Does anyone know of a school or school district where this is still done? Lol, I thought you were referring to outrigger canoe paddling, like as a school sport (popular where I am). Ok, with that said, I've never heard of paddling in schools, I grew up in California. Maybe its not as common on the west coast? cara I take it you missed this California attempt to return paddling to the schools there. California only outlawed corporal punishment statewide in 1986 and in 1996, an assemblyman tried to reinstate it. http://www.corpun.com/ussc9601.htm Los Angeles Times, 19 January 1996 Major Disputes Over Corporal Punishment By Diane Seo, Times Staff Writer Remember the days when unruly kids at school were punished with a good old-fashioned swat on the behind? Those days may soon be here again if an Orange County legislator has his way. Assemblyman Mickey Conroy (R-Orange) has proposed bringing corporal punishment back to California schools after a decade-long absence, alarming many people but also winning praise from those who believe a good spanking can do a child good. "Today, kids are getting away with everything," said Lisa Van Tassell, whose child attends Jeane Thorman Elementary in Tustin. "Something's got to be done to get children's respect back. As long as the paddling is well supervised and doesn't go overboard, I would support it." Kids, however, gave a thumbs-down to the idea. "If it happened to me, I would go right to the phone and call my mom or dad, and I know they wouldn't like it," said Portia Moss, a seventh-grader at A.G. Currie Middle School in Tustin. The corporal punishment bill has advanced to the Assembly Appropriations Committee after clearing the Education Committee on Wednesday. Since 1986, state public school educators have been banned from using corporal punishment, the moderate use of physical force by a teacher or principal to maintain discipline. But Conroy's bill and his companion measure that calls for paddling of juvenile graffiti vandals have been embraced this year by Republicans, who hold a majority in the Assembly. They see the return of spanking and other forms of assertive discipline as a return to basic education practices. The corporal punishment bill would not require school districts to reinstate paddling but would allow schools to adopt corporal punishment policies if they choose. Under the provisions of the bill, school employees could paddle students only if another adult is present and if they get prior written permission from a parent. "Mickey's appalled by all the violence going on in public schools and believes the violence has skyrocketed since corporal punishment was banned," said Patrick Joyce, an aide to Conroy. "He believes corporal punishment is one thing that can be used to restore discipline and give kids a sense of accountability." Some people, however, are appalled that California could return to the days when a teacher or principal could whack a disobedient student for mouthing off, getting into a fight or engaging in other naughty behavior. Some educators said that even if the state allows them to administer corporal punishment, they have no plans to do so. "I'm a 20-year veteran of the Marines, but even I don't see paddling as being able to solve any problems," said Charles Milligan, principal at Spring View Middle School in Huntington Beach. "If we brought it back, I don't think it would change anything." But other school officials say corporal punishment has its merits and a place at school, as long as parents give their consent. "A lot of times, if the punishment is swift and brings the issue to a conclusion, it can be effective," said Tom Meiss, varsity football coach at Foothill High in Tustin. "I have no doubt or reservation saying it's an effective form of discipline, but I'm just not sure how parents would feel. A lot of parents probably spank their own children, but they may not be anxious to have someone else do it." While some parents support the idea of corporal punishment, others fear educators would abuse their rights to spank a child. "I can't even imagine a responsible adult thinking of reinstating paddling," said Sueanne Pacini, a parent at Andersen Elementary in Newport Beach. "I don't think corporal punishment belongs in the school or in the home .. . . . What a waste of time and money to put a bill like this through." While walking home from Currie Middle School, seventh- grader Cecilia Davis cringed at the thought of being whacked at school. "No one should be able to hit you except your parents," Cecilia said. "I think if teachers started hitting kids, some kids would hit the teacher back." Wendy Flores, an eighth-grader at Currie, said she would rather be suspended than spanked. "I think it's embarrassing to be hit in front of the class and have marks on your body," she said. Don Keller, principal at Kazuo Masuda Middle School in Fountain Valley, remembers paddling students while he was an administrator with the Long Beach Unified School District in the early 1980s. "I had mixed emotions about it then," he said. "At the time we were using swats for everything from truancy to other infractions. With some kids, it was effective. For others, it was not." Keller, who also was paddled in school, believes reinstating corporal punishment wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, although he knows it is not regarded as the politically correct way to discipline students. "People who are pro-corporal punishment are seen as Neanderthals," he said. "If it were returned to the schools, I would use it sparingly because it's something that could be abused." -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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Paddling in schools?!
Good, my home state is on the list!
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