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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
On Feb 25, 6:20*pm, "Ron" wrote:
"LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote: I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. * And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. *I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" *and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. *Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. *Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. *As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. *If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. *But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. *Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. *They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. *Some get adopted into loving homes. *Great. *Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. * *Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be verified. Ron Do the math. |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 6:17 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 5:40 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote: I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first place? All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to jail... Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation. What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy targets such as poor. Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com Ron buddy. Long time no see. *Same, new job, been real busy. We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do seem to have issues with facts dont you. No more then you do with the truth. *Ahh, truth vs facts. We have discussed that here before (not you and I, but I and others), and as usual I dont expect the concept to get through to anyone who cannot face the facts. Ron buddy, Here's the problem with your facts. They are written and interpreted in order to serve and support a particular point of view. They are not at all objective. *Its the numbers we have. I have often asked for a different set of numbers from reputible sources but have not really seen anything. Would there be a point in asking again? Would they be forthcoming? History says not, but my mind remains open and I am willing to review what you or someone else may provide. Reputiable sources please. They mention how many kids they suspect were maltreated they mention the various types of maltreatment suspected. They leave out other relevent factors. For example, they count some children more then once. If a child was reported more then once in that particular year, that kid was counted twice. They don't tell you how many households abuse has taken place in, because that would be a smaller number, because some of these kids have siblings. So if 899,000 kids were substantiated as abused, the number of abusers or households where abuse had taken place would be compairatevely smaller based on the number of children in a household. It is relevent because we should be told how many abusers are out there. Also your facts state that 50.3% of abused children were girls and 47.7% were boys. That adds up to 98% of abused children being boys or girls. What is the other two percent? Based on 230 foster kids in 15 years, you should have seen at least 4.6 of these by now. *Again, its the numbers we have. Bring on something that refutes them and we can discuss it. Not to fear, there are more than eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for everyone. Nobody's perfect. *Agreed. What about you Ron? *Reading problems? The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again if the parents had not failed the children would not be in care. Tell me again how that relieves this foster parent from responsibility for his own actions? *It does not. Then what are you jumping in for with your bull****? *Because you and a few others with a point of view based on anything but the facts jumped in and spun things off into another region of the universe. Someone has to get the facts out there, the actual and verifiable facts, and with Kane no longer posting that pretty much leaves it up to me (when I find the time that is). What the parent did to the child is irrelevent at this point. We are suspecting that as a teacher lindalou or whatever her name is, would be able to see these things that you and your extremest pro-cps views refuse too. *"extremest pro-cps views". Hmmm, interesting. My my, how quickly the ignorant are to make claims that have no basis in fact. I'd suggest that you (once again) review my posting history, but I suspect that the suggestion would once again fall on deaf ears. Nor does it releave the parets from their original abuse or some level of responsibility for all of the abuse that results from their original actions. The parent looses responsibility for what happens to the kid when they loose the kid. *Wrong. Legally, morally, and ethically you could not have stepped off of a bigger cliff. But you will never recognize that, not with your extremest anticps views. The state takes over the responsibility for what happens to the kid while they have control of the kid. It's as simple as that Ron. If the parents are responsible for the kid entering foster care then fine. They are responsible for the kid being in foster care. Not what happens to the kid in foster care. *Wrong again. If the parents had not done whatever they had done that got the kid into care then the child would not have been in the position to have done to it whatever was done, and therefore the parent maintains a level of responsibility for that. If the foster parent shakes the kid and the kid is harmed from being shaken by that foster parent, the foster parent is responsible for shaking the kid. The real parent didn't shake the kid, nor did the real parent choose the foster parents that the kid was shaken by. That was the state who chose that foster parent for that child to be shaken by. *Let me see if I can make this clear. *Each person is responsible for their own actions, and the ultimate results of those actions. I dont relieve ANYONE of responsibility for their actions, not one single person. Not bio parents, not foster, and certainly not the state. No one gets a free ride. Ron You forgot your tag line. *Got a new computer system for Christmas, just have not added it back in yet. Not to sure I will to be honest, getting a bit tired of all the jerking off with pangborn and his followers (read as "Leaches") so I dont know if I will be getting back into those conversations. I'm a busy puppy these days, and the new schedule is far beyond bizzare. Thats the price one pays for advancement I suppose. Ron So what are you like the great leader of all the foster parents now? *Wouldn't even if I could. We foster parents are not a mob (I leave that to you anti-cps folks), we are care providers. You should give that a try, caring that is, it does wonders for the self esteem and makes for a good tax write off if done properly. Ron |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"Greegor" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 4:53 pm, "Ron" wrote: "Greegor" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 4:40 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote: I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first place? All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to jail... Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation. What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy targets such as poor. Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do seem to have issues with facts dont you. Not to fear, there are more than eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for everyone. The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again if the parents had not failed the children would not be in care. Ron Is there a miniumum IQ requirement for people wanting to be Fosters? In WHAT way are the parents responsible for horrible child abuse at the hands OF THE SYSTEM? The argument is really sick. If a kid was removed for the neglect because of a messy house, how are those parents responsible when the kids get their heads bashed in in foster care? The concepts involved are well beyond your ability to comprehend gregg, as you have proven so many times in the past. But, once again I'll try and clarify it a bit for you. I have no hope of success, but at least I know that going in. Lets use you as an example. It might help you to understand. Lisa's child. If she were to be abused while she is in care (6 years now is it?), you would bear some responsibility for that abuse, since without your original abuse of her she would not be IN care and therefore not in the situation. Get it? If there was REAL child abuse why do you think they didn't take it into criminal court? *Because it is not the mandate of the Child Protective System to take things to court gregg, their mandate is to do whatever can be done to preverve the family, help kids in need, and prevent child abuse/neglect. The sham courts that remove kids are NOT up to the legal standards they should be. *Just what percentage of all criminal cases never make it to court gregg? And why? 50% maybe? Just a guess mind you, but I'm reasonable certain it is in that area somewhere. As for why, simple, evidence. Lack of. There is a wide gulf between knowing a crime was committed and who did it versus being able to prove it in a court of law. Family court is no different. Abuse and negelct cases are particularly difficult to prosecute because of the stigma attached to such crimes, because of the youth of the victims, and because its one of those crimes that some people just dont recognize (you for example). You think such a sham court removal makes it OK for a Foster to engage in actual CRIMINAL child abuse? *No more so than it is OK for a parent to participate in such. The problem is that parents do it FAR more often than foster parents. The data proves that, beyond any doubt. Foster parents are just more likely to be caught than bio parents, and the stats prove that as well. Ron |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"Ron" wrote in message ... "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 6:17 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 5:40 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote: I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first place? All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to jail... Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation. What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy targets such as poor. Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com Ron buddy. Long time no see. *Same, new job, been real busy. We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do seem to have issues with facts dont you. No more then you do with the truth. *Ahh, truth vs facts. We have discussed that here before (not you and I, but I and others), and as usual I dont expect the concept to get through to anyone who cannot face the facts. Ron buddy, Here's the problem with your facts. They are written and interpreted in order to serve and support a particular point of view. They are not at all objective. Interesting assumptions. It must be nice to be able to avoid the facts by saying that "no matter what they must be in error", even if you cant prove that. Bring on an alternate set of facts from a reputiable source and we can compare. Until then, I'll continue to use the ones we have no matter how wrong you may think they are. *Its the numbers we have. I have often asked for a different set of numbers from reputible sources but have not really seen anything. Would there be a point in asking again? Would they be forthcoming? History says not, but my mind remains open and I am willing to review what you or someone else may provide. Reputiable sources please. They mention how many kids they suspect were maltreated they mention the various types of maltreatment suspected. They leave out other relevent factors. For example, they count some children more then once. If a child was reported more then once in that particular year, that kid was counted twice. They don't tell you how many households abuse has taken place in, because that would be a smaller number, because some of these kids have siblings. So if 899,000 kids were substantiated as abused, the number of abusers or households where abuse had taken place would be compairatevely smaller based on the number of children in a household. It is relevent because we should be told how many abusers are out there. Also your facts state that 50.3% of abused children were girls and 47.7% were boys. That adds up to 98% of abused children being boys or girls. What is the other two percent? Based on 230 foster kids in 15 years, you should have seen at least 4.6 of these by now. *Again, its the numbers we have. Bring on something that refutes them and we can discuss it. Not to fear, there are more than eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for everyone. Nobody's perfect. *Agreed. What about you Ron? *Reading problems? The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again if the parents had not failed the children would not be in care. Tell me again how that relieves this foster parent from responsibility for his own actions? *It does not. Then what are you jumping in for with your bull****? *Because you and a few others with a point of view based on anything but the facts jumped in and spun things off into another region of the universe. Someone has to get the facts out there, the actual and verifiable facts, and with Kane no longer posting that pretty much leaves it up to me (when I find the time that is). What the parent did to the child is irrelevent at this point. We are suspecting that as a teacher lindalou or whatever her name is, would be able to see these things that you and your extremest pro-cps views refuse too. *"extremest pro-cps views". Hmmm, interesting. My my, how quickly the ignorant are to make claims that have no basis in fact. I'd suggest that you (once again) review my posting history, but I suspect that the suggestion would once again fall on deaf ears. Nor does it releave the parets from their original abuse or some level of responsibility for all of the abuse that results from their original actions. The parent looses responsibility for what happens to the kid when they loose the kid. *Wrong. Legally, morally, and ethically you could not have stepped off of a bigger cliff. But you will never recognize that, not with your extremest anticps views. The state takes over the responsibility for what happens to the kid while they have control of the kid. It's as simple as that Ron. If the parents are responsible for the kid entering foster care then fine. They are responsible for the kid being in foster care. Not what happens to the kid in foster care. *Wrong again. If the parents had not done whatever they had done that got the kid into care then the child would not have been in the position to have done to it whatever was done, and therefore the parent maintains a level of responsibility for that. If the foster parent shakes the kid and the kid is harmed from being shaken by that foster parent, the foster parent is responsible for shaking the kid. The real parent didn't shake the kid, nor did the real parent choose the foster parents that the kid was shaken by. That was the state who chose that foster parent for that child to be shaken by. *Let me see if I can make this clear. *Each person is responsible for their own actions, and the ultimate results of those actions. I dont relieve ANYONE of responsibility for their actions, not one single person. Not bio parents, not foster, and certainly not the state. No one gets a free ride. Ron You forgot your tag line. *Got a new computer system for Christmas, just have not added it back in yet. Not to sure I will to be honest, getting a bit tired of all the jerking off with pangborn and his followers (read as "Leaches") so I dont know if I will be getting back into those conversations. I'm a busy puppy these days, and the new schedule is far beyond bizzare. Thats the price one pays for advancement I suppose. Ron So what are you like the great leader of all the foster parents now? *Wouldn't even if I could. We foster parents are not a mob (I leave that to you anti-cps folks), we are care providers. You should give that a try, caring that is, it does wonders for the self esteem and makes for a good tax write off if done properly. Ron |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 6:20 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote: I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be verified. Ron Do the math. *Somehow I am not one bit surprised that you avoided that. Not one bit. Could be because your belief's and opinions have absolutely no supporting facts. Could also be because knowing that CPSWatch is a massively biased and a well known pervayor of misleading statements that skewing or spin the available facts. Could also be that you rarely support your statements. Any or all, they are all stronger possibilities than the idea that you have actually decided to meet the obligations of someone with an opinion in this forum and support your statements. Ron |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
On Feb 29, 2:05*pm, "Ron" wrote:
"LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 6:20 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote: I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be verified. Ron Do the math. *Somehow I am not one bit surprised that you avoided that. *Not one bit. Could be because your belief's and opinions have absolutely no supporting facts. *Could also be because knowing that CPSWatch is a massively biased and a well known pervayor of misleading statements that skewing or spin the available facts. *Could also be that you rarely support your statements. Any or all, they are all stronger possibilities than the idea that you have actually decided to meet the obligations of someone with an opinion in this forum and support your statements. Ron Why is it that when asked how much your state (Nebraska) pays for Foster Care reimbursement that you never ponied up any figures, Ron? Have you seen the recent campaign to jack up the rates? It sure is convenient for Family Rights people that they actually made the base dollar amounts public! Where do you think the motivation for this comes from Ron? |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
On Feb 29, 3:05 pm, "Ron" wrote:
"LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 6:20 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote: I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be verified. Ron Do the math. *Somehow I am not one bit surprised that you avoided that. Not one bit. Could be because your belief's and opinions have absolutely no supporting facts. Could also be because knowing that CPSWatch is a massively biased and a well known pervayor of misleading statements that skewing or spin the available facts. Could also be that you rarely support your statements. Any or all, they are all stronger possibilities than the idea that you have actually decided to meet the obligations of someone with an opinion in this forum and support your statements. Ron- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ron buddy Let me ask you a question. Have you even looked at my site? Have you ever even seen it? Do you have any idea of the work I've done on it, the research I've put into it or of the knowledge I actually do have about the things that are going on in the system? Do you even remotely have a clue as to how the system is failing children and families? Have you been following allong with the current events regarding child protective and foster care at all lately? Do you know about the major overhauls of DHS in some states or how Oaklahoma, Micigan and Oregon are all currently being sued by a major childrens rights groups? Did you know that they are trying to change things so that a foster child doesn't age out of the system until age 21 instead of 18, becasue lots of kids just aren't ready to be on their own at 18? Do you really know what's going on in the system? Or are you just spewing **** out of your mouth like a typicol foster contractor who is trying to keep himself in a job, without actually knowing a goddamn thing based on a single set of facts that tells nothing of any debth such as severity of the abuse suffered comparitavely amongst these children etc? Because there are all kinds of facts on my site Ron, sources all cited. Hundreds of links with lots and lots and lots of facts and stories and studies and reports. My site goes a lot deeper into the system and how it works and the damage it has caused to children and families then anything you have ever done or said or would admit to or discussed in this group. So here it is Ron http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com go check it out, look at how ALL of my sources are all cited. Watch some of the videos. Read some of the stories, etc. Spend a little bit of time there. Lets see if you really have an "open mind" like you claim you do. Check and see how you have to go to the original sources to read the entire articles etc. Then come back and spew your bull**** about your facts all you want, but don't try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about without seeing for yourself what I am talking about. Hell Ron, I'd even invite you to leave a comment, so you can prove that you've been there. Leave your honest opinion in the comments section regarding anything I've posted to my blog. Then lets compair my facts to yours. |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote:
I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be verified. Ron Do the math. *Somehow I am not one bit surprised that you avoided that. *Not one bit. |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"Greegor" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote: I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be verified. Ron Do the math. *Somehow I am not one bit surprised that you avoided that. Not one bit. Could be because your belief's and opinions have absolutely no supporting facts. Could also be because knowing that CPSWatch is a massively biased and a well known pervayor of misleading statements that skewing or spin the available facts. Could also be that you rarely support your statements. Any or all, they are all stronger possibilities than the idea that you have actually decided to meet the obligations of someone with an opinion in this forum and support your statements. Ron Ron buddy Let me ask you a question. Have you even looked at my site? Have you ever even seen it? Do you have any idea of the work I've done on it, the research I've put into it or of the knowledge I actually do have about the things that are going on in the system? Do you even remotely have a clue as to how the system is failing children and families? Have you been following allong with the current events regarding child protective and foster care at all lately? Do you know about the major overhauls of DHS in some states or how Oaklahoma, Micigan and Oregon are all currently being sued by a major childrens rights groups? Did you know that they are trying to change things so that a foster child doesn't age out of the system until age 21 instead of 18, becasue lots of kids just aren't ready to be on their own at 18? Do you really know what's going on in the system? Or are you just spewing **** out of your mouth like a typicol foster contractor who is trying to keep himself in a job, without actually knowing a goddamn thing based on a single set of facts that tells nothing of any debth such as severity of the abuse suffered comparitavely amongst these children etc? Because there are all kinds of facts on my site Ron, sources all cited. Hundreds of links with lots and lots and lots of facts and stories and studies and reports. My site goes a lot deeper into the system and how it works and the damage it has caused to children and families then anything you have ever done or said or would admit to or discussed in this group. So here it is Ron http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com go check it out, look at how ALL of my sources are all cited. Watch some of the videos. Read some of the stories, etc. Spend a little bit of time there. Lets see if you really have an "open mind" like you claim you do. Check and see how you have to go to the original sources to read the entire articles etc. Then come back and spew your bull**** about your facts all you want, but don't try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about without seeing for yourself what I am talking about. Hell Ron, I'd even invite you to leave a comment, so you can prove that you've been there. Leave your honest opinion in the comments section regarding anything I've posted to my blog. Then lets compair my facts to yours. Do you have any good lessons for Ron about RATIOS? ***Greg, I'd like to ask you, are you impressed with Les' edu-ma-cation? Do you really believe that Les is someone capable of giving anyone else a 'lesson'? Is that 'typicol' of your opinion? At least KRP's litter posts are obviously typoes. I think if Ron could learn something, anything, from someone else, he'd pick someone with a little more basic intelligence and a whole lot of personal experience. |
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Betty picks on LK's spelling as indicative of ignorance
Ron buddy
Let me ask you a question. Have you even looked at my site? Have you ever even seen it? Do you have any idea of the work I've done on it, the research I've put into it or of the knowledge I actually do have about the things that are going on in the system? Do you even remotely have a clue as to how the system is failing children and families? Have you been following allong with the current events regarding child protective and foster care at all lately? Do you know about the major overhauls of DHS in some states or how Oaklahoma, Micigan and Oregon are all currently being sued by a major childrens rights groups? Did you know that they are trying to change things so that a foster child doesn't age out of the system until age 21 instead of 18, becasue lots of kids just aren't ready to be on their own at 18? Do you really know what's going on in the system? Or are you just spewing **** out of your mouth like a typicol foster contractor who is trying to keep himself in a job, without actually knowing a goddamn thing based on a single set of facts that tells nothing of any debth such as severity of the abuse suffered comparitavely amongst these children etc? Because there are all kinds of facts on my site Ron, sources all cited. Hundreds of links with lots and lots and lots of facts and stories and studies and reports. My site goes a lot deeper into the system and how it works and the damage it has caused to children and families then anything you have ever done or said or would admit to or discussed in this group. So here it is Ron http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com go check it out, look at how ALL of my sources are all cited. Watch some of the videos. Read some of the stories, etc. Spend a little bit of time there. Lets see if you really have an "open mind" like you claim you do. Check and see how you have to go to the original sources to read the entire articles etc. Then come back and spew your bull**** about your facts all you want, but don't try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about without seeing for yourself what I am talking about. Hell Ron, I'd even invite you to leave a comment, so you can prove that you've been there. Leave your honest opinion in the comments section regarding anything I've posted to my blog. Then lets compair my facts to yours. G Do you have any good lessons for Ron about RATIOS? BW Greg, I'd like to ask you, are you impressed BW with Les' edu-ma-cation? His name is not Les. You can't even call him by the right name. "The beginning of all wisdom is getting things by their right name." Confucious BW *Do you really believe that Les is someone BW capable of giving anyone else a 'lesson'? BW Is that 'typicol' of your opinion? Are you confusing spelling errors with ignorance? BW At least KRP's litter posts are obviously BW typoes. I think if Ron could learn something, BW anything, from someone else, he'd pick BW someone with a little more basic intelligence BW and a whole lot of personal experience. Exactly why "LK" is qualified in that regard. |
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