Retired Father

Hold on here..... you said in a previous post that your mother didn't make
hardly any money.... And I am not sure of the age but there is a point
where
they don't ask for parents income. What is that age up there?

Hello Tiffany,
The age is 16. I know that sounds hardly believable, but it is true. At
age 16, your children have the right to choose to leave home and support
themselves. They can't sign contracts and get into legal matters, but they
can leave home on their own accord. You can't make them leave until 18, but
they can leave on their own at age 16 if they want to.

In all actuality, your parent's income could matter all the way up to age
115 (one hundred and fifteen) if they still claim you as a dependant on
their income tax.

"Tiffany" wrote in message
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Jackie wrote in message
. ca...

"Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message
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Are you for real or do you have one massive set of balls?

I would say I've got no balls... from a physiological standpoint.

You really expect
a 67 year old man to provide you $800 a month.

Well, a 67 year old man who brought me to this earth, and who makes
$90K/year... yep.

Living with your parents is
one thing (my children can stay with me as long as they like not
matter
how
old), but expecting that kind of money as an adult! (and through the
courts)

Nope, I'm expecting that kind of money as a student.

Thats sick and you obviously do not give a damn about your father.

Why would I?! As I said in another post, he's one of the most abusive
people
I know.

I would
not be so suprised that when he dies he does not leave you a dime
which
at
that age could be right around the corner.

He already told me that he's going to be adopting other children, and
that
he is going to support them through school, because he doesn't want to
give
me any of his money. (i.e. he would do anything to make it more
difficult
for me to go to school... and he's willing to give the money out to
ANYONE
but his own children, and the mother of his children)... so, think what
you
want... you don't matter anyway.

That maybe the only way to teach
you some sense of morality in caring for others in life.

Yep, you're obviously right.



You stated elsewhere that you have only one year left of school? If your
father is the asshole you claim, then just keep him out of your life. I
personally wouldn't want anything to do with a man like that. Finish your
last year of school and move on.

And can I hear an 'AMEN' from the congregation?!?

"Jackie" wrote in message
news

"gini52" wrote in message
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"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Hello,

I'm not sure if anyone here would know but... if my parents are in the
middle of a divorce right now, and my father decides to retire once
the
divorce is settled (he's 67, so, it's not odd for him to retire) would
be
still need to pay me child support if I am a full time student (based
on
a
60% course load per term)?!

As it stands right now, if he were to keep on
working, he would need to pay approximately $800/month to me because
of
his
income. If he were to retire would he still be required to pay me as
long
as
I was a "dependent child" (i.e. a full time student... since I'm
already
over 18)?!
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Let's see-Your dad is 67--that means he has a life expectancy of less
than
10 years.
Now, why would you expect your father to support you as an adult?

Because, as long as I am a full time student, I am a dependent child in
the
eyes of the law.

Bull****. You are a dependent child until you start making your own way and
claim yourself on your income taxes. THAT is what the law says. Guess
what... you can claim yourself on your income tax at ANY TIME that you start
working. Guess what... you can EVEN FILL OUT A ZERO INCOME TAX FORM IF YOU
AREN'T MAKING ANY MONEY and STILL be able to claim yourself on the income
tax form?!?!?

Sounds to me as if the deadbeat is you.... not wanting to support yourself.


If you would expect your father to support you, why not your mother?

Because she doesn't make enough money to support even herself.

Hey,
why don't
you move in with a friend and sue both of them?

That's a terrible comparison, unless these friends give birth to me
somehow,
and then tell me after 21 years that they are not willing to support me in
a
time when they ought to.

Actually,
you might just have to get a job like the students from intact families
and
states
that require adult children to support themselves (though it appears you
have pretty
much ruled out getting a job).

I'm working right now, but I'm not going to sacrifice my grades for work
(i.e. I will not work when I'm in school... I've tried it, and i can't do
it.

Who's going to foot your bill when your
dad is dead?

This is my last year of school... so, I suppose no one will.

Sheesh! (Ah...I see you are in Canada. Everything applies but the legal
stuff)
I don't know what that's supposed to mean... but I'm assuming it's useless
blather from someone with nothing better to do...

==
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Thanks in advance,

Jackie

I am a STUDENT... that's easier said than done... Working in the summer
earned me under $4000 and I can't apply for a student loan because my
father
makes too much money and doesn't want to give me any of it... so any other
bright solutions?!

I'm not buying that one either...

Listen up...

If you are not working AT ALL... fill out a zero income tax form and claim
yourself as a dependent. I DO believe that having ZERO income makes you
eligible for student loans. That will make it so it doesn't matter a hill
of beans how much mommy and daddy are making when you ask for financial aid.

I know all this because I go to school FULL TIME and live ONLY off of my
student financial aid. I take credit overloads and have a well above
average GPA.

Reality Check Girlee there are Grown Adults in this world who are the same
age as yourself with children. Supporting their children and raising them as
responsible people should, a number of these people are also studying while
doing so with no financial support from their Parents. I was younger than
you when I met my husband. I was working, helping take care of my step
daughter and studying. His Ex was also studying Part time at the same
university and working Part time for the govt so her studies were subsided
by the office she worked in as being relevant to her employment position.
His wages were taken by an over assessment of child support and paying the
debts from his first marriage. As she refused to sign the financial divorce
settlement. At the time I was financially supporting the three of us as the
child was staying with us about 33% of the time. I worked nights as a
security officer. Your demand to be supported at the age of 21 is sad and
pathetic. I was declared independent at the age of nineteen. Because people
in my country are assessed on their parents income until they are 25 even
though we have the choice to leave home and support ourselves from the age
of sixteen and sometimes sooner.

Don't whinge you are not worse off than anyone else.

"Jackie" wrote in message
. ca...
Let me tell you guys a few things.

1. My father's basically got it made... he makes over $90K/year, and he's
the one who wants the divorce from my mother.
2. He's told me on multiple occasions that he is going to make it as
difficult as possible for me to NOT be able to go to school (for one,
because of his income, I can't get a student loan, and he's not willing to
pay for my education).
3. He's verbally abusive and tells me that he wishes he never had me and
that I am stupid, just like my mother, and how, if we weren't in Canada,
he
would have given me away when I was born.

Well obviously as you are not even capable of supporting yourself on your
own at the age of 21!


So, there's no love lost between the two of us... I was just asking for
some
advice, and if you guys won't give it, then I'll go to our lawyer... I see
you guys are likely all deadbeat dads anyway.

You have no idea just what a deadbeat is. a Deadbeat is someone who avoids
their responsibilities. How is your father a deadbeat he obviously supported
you financially for a number of years. You are now a grown women refusing
the responsibility to take care of HERSELF! The majority of people posting
here are not refusing their responsibilities. They are trying to live a life
while fullfilling their responsibilities. They are wanting an active part in
their childrens lives and being refused for no better reason than they are
more useful to the BFH as a wallet.

Randy Jabsco wrote:

Please don't bottom-post...
It's a bitch to scroll down.


I agree entirely however having a mouse with a scroll wheel does make things
easier.

"teachrmama" wrote in message
...

"Randy Jabsco" wrote in message
s.com...
Hold on here..... you said in a previous post that your mother didn't
make
hardly any money.... And I am not sure of the age but there is a point
where
they don't ask for parents income. What is that age up there?

Hello Tiffany,
The age is 16. I know that sounds hardly believable, but it is true.
At
age 16, your children have the right to choose to leave home and support
themselves. They can't sign contracts and get into legal matters, but
they
can leave home on their own accord. You can't make them leave until 18,
but
they can leave on their own at age 16 if they want to.

In all actuality, your parent's income could matter all the way up to
age
115 (one hundred and fifteen) if they still claim you as a dependant on
their income tax.

So, then, Randy, all she has to do is become independent, so they can no
longer claim her, right? Then their incomes wouldn't count in her
financial
aid applications.

Randy has not said whether he is from Canada or the U.S., but in the U.S. a
student cannot just declare themselves independent to qualify for loans and
grants at a lower income level. Congress saw that strategy coming and cut
it off by defining a student as "dependent" until they:

1. Are born before 1/1 in a year where they reach 25 in that school year.
2. Got married.
3. Enrolled in graduate or professional school.
4. Have dependents.
5. Are orphaned or a ward of the court.
6. Are a veteran of the Armed Forces.

Until one of those events occurs the student is considered dependent and
must declare their primary parent's income even if that parent does not help
them.

These rules are why I am so adamant against CS for children attending
school. The CS counts towards the parent/child combined incomes driving up
the out-of-pocket cost for college. The primary parent can keep the CS for
their own use and not use the CS for it's intended use. The child is forced
to provide the expected family contribution out of their own student loans
and part-time work pay. The primary parent can refuse to take out a parent
loan forcing the student to borrow even more money. The students actually
are put at a disadvantage when there is CS for a child attending school
because the CS.

"Randy Jabsco" wrote in message
s.com...
Hold on here..... you said in a previous post that your mother didn't
make
hardly any money.... And I am not sure of the age but there is a point
where
they don't ask for parents income. What is that age up there?

Hello Tiffany,
The age is 16. I know that sounds hardly believable, but it is true.
At
age 16, your children have the right to choose to leave home and support
themselves. They can't sign contracts and get into legal matters, but
they
can leave home on their own accord. You can't make them leave until 18,
but
they can leave on their own at age 16 if they want to.

In all actuality, your parent's income could matter all the way up to
age
115 (one hundred and fifteen) if they still claim you as a dependant on
their income tax.


Sounds to me like Jsckie's momma is being greedy and claiming her as a
dependant, making her ineligible for loans........sounds to me like Jackie
is learning entitlement dependency from het momma.

haha... sorry. I was good about removing the signature file in the other
postings. I guess I forgot this one. This signature file is primarily used
in another group which often makes a lot of fuss over it.

"glow" wrote in message
...

Randy Jabsco wrote:

Please don't bottom-post...
It's a bitch to scroll down.


I agree entirely however having a mouse with a scroll wheel does make
things
easier.

"teachrmama" wrote in message
...

"Randy Jabsco" wrote in message
s.com...
Hold on here..... you said in a previous post that your mother didn't
make
hardly any money.... And I am not sure of the age but there is a point
where
they don't ask for parents income. What is that age up there?

Hello Tiffany,
The age is 16. I know that sounds hardly believable, but it is true.
At
age 16, your children have the right to choose to leave home and support
themselves. They can't sign contracts and get into legal matters, but
they
can leave home on their own accord. You can't make them leave until 18,
but
they can leave on their own at age 16 if they want to.

In all actuality, your parent's income could matter all the way up to
age
115 (one hundred and fifteen) if they still claim you as a dependant on
their income tax.

So, then, Randy, all she has to do is become independent, so they can no
longer claim her, right? Then their incomes wouldn't count in her
financial
aid applications.

Assuming she has ZERO income. All she would have to do is file a zero
income tax report and claim herself as a dependent. Then it would be
illegal for either of her parents to claim her, since she is claiming
herself. If she does not have zero income, then she would just file any tax
report just the same and still claim herself as a dependent. Same
situation, same results. It would not matter if she is living at home with
both parents, one parent, or with neither. There are plenty of students
living at home with their parents and they claim themselves as their own
dependents. Financial Aid office would not have anything to say about it
either way.

I filed my first income tax report, claiming myself as a dependent, when I
was 17.