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Old May 16th 04, 04:38 AM
Nikki
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Hillary Israeli wrote:
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Nikki wrote:

*I think interthecal is very misleading as a name then. The child
birth

Well, it's *intra*thecal, not interthecal. It's not misleading - it's
descriptive. The medication used is injected into the intrathecal (as
opposed to the epidural) space in the spinal column.

Your class nurse was either an ignorant git, or a poor educator, or
both. She obviously failed to explain what she was talking about.


I'm pretty sure both and I thought that even before this thread ;-) She was
so biased. I was planning a natural birth, and one at a hospital that would
give me an epidural anyway, so I didn't really ask any questions or maybe
wasn't listening. Any thoughts as to why a hospital without an
anesthesiologist could give an intrathecal but not an epidural?


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Nikki
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Old May 16th 04, 06:24 AM
Maria Danielle Darst
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"Gilbey and Susie" wrote in message
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i can't get an epidural! they only do nubain and intrathecals for pain
relief. i wanted to be totally numb when this kid pops out but looks like

i
can't. anyone have any experience with intrathecals and nubain????

I had epis w/both of my deliveries, and with both the numbing effect wore
off basically about the time it was time to start pushing. I personally
thought they were great (not for everyone, but they were great for me , I
was able to sleep a bit and otherwise be comfortable. I knew it was time b/c
I would start to feel more uncomfortable, feeling more like back labor
(maybe just b/c of the epi insertion?), I would call the nurse and they
would check me a voila! 10 centimeters.

I delivered in 2 different hospitals in different states. The 1st time I
asked if I would be numb through the entire delivery and they said no b/c
they wanted me to have some control over the lower half of my body and be
able to help push. Didn't have time to ask for more meds with baby# 2.

HTH,

Maria
Kelly 2/19/00
Kyle 7/9/01



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Old May 16th 04, 06:27 PM
Hillary Israeli
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In ,
Nikki wrote:

*I'm pretty sure both and I thought that even before this thread ;-) She was
*so biased. I was planning a natural birth, and one at a hospital that would
*give me an epidural anyway, so I didn't really ask any questions or maybe
*wasn't listening. Any thoughts as to why a hospital without an
*anesthesiologist could give an intrathecal but not an epidural?

I guess it might be easier to confirm that you're in the intrathecal space
than that you're in the epidural space, but frankly that's stretching it
IMO. I wouldn't want anyone but an anesthesiologist entering my
intrathecal space!!

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Old May 16th 04, 07:53 PM
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Hillary Israeli wrote:
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Nikki wrote:

*I'm pretty sure both and I thought that even before this thread ;-)
She was *so biased. I was planning a natural birth, and one at a
hospital that would *give me an epidural anyway, so I didn't really
ask any questions or maybe *wasn't listening. Any thoughts as to why
a hospital without an *anesthesiologist could give an intrathecal but
not an epidural?

I guess it might be easier to confirm that you're in the intrathecal
space than that you're in the epidural space, but frankly that's
stretching it IMO. I wouldn't want anyone but an anesthesiologist
entering my intrathecal space!!


No kidding! I don't even really want them poking around in there, lol.
There would have to be some emergency to convince me to do it.


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Nikki
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Old May 16th 04, 09:32 PM
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"Nikki" wrote:
Any thoughts as to why a hospital without an
anesthesiologist could give an intrathecal but not an epidural?


Not a chance. My thought is someone is talking a load of bull****.

And if this hospital did have someone without appropriate training
giving spinals, would you want them poking holes in *your* spine?

Anyhow, I don't understand the desire to feel nothing whatsoever.
Personally, I prefer to live until I die. Narcotics (analgesics)
are good for serious pain. Others here have said they don't take
the pain away. Correct! Narcotics make you *not mind* the pain.
Isn't that enough?! For me, that is the ideal. You can feel all
of it, but it does not hurt you. It's as if you are just getting
a second-hand report of the pain, and when you are bored with it,
you can just tune it out. Unfortunately, neither analgesics nor
anesthetics take away the fear (if that's your real problem) but
then I suspect many anesthesiologists may add some tranquilizer to
your IV. They can and will do that, even without telling you so.

Pologirl
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Old May 17th 04, 10:43 PM
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pologirl wrote:
Anyhow, I don't understand the desire to feel nothing whatsoever.
Personally, I prefer to live until I die. Narcotics (analgesics)
are good for serious pain. Others here have said they don't take
the pain away. Correct! Narcotics make you *not mind* the pain.
Isn't that enough?! For me, that is the ideal. You can feel all
of it, but it does not hurt you. It's as if you are just getting
a second-hand report of the pain, and when you are bored with it,
you can just tune it out.


Well, having had a couple of doses of Stadol during my first labor, let me
assure you that the contractions *still* hurt. Trust me, during
contractions, I couldn't just "tune out" the pain. It's just that it also
made me so drowsy that I couldn't *help* relaxing between contractions--even
dozing off at times. But it also made me groggy and disoriented, which isn't
the best way to be feeling when your child enters the world (as far as I'm
concerned anyway). And for a lot of folks, narcotics just aren't a good
choice: they cause many people to hallucinate or become violently ill.

I wound up during that labor with an epidural, which had its disadvantages
(messed me up during pushing since I couldn't feel properly) but I was
definitely not in pain while still having my wits about me. On the whole, if
I were forced to choose between epidural anethesia and a narcotic for labor
pain, I'd choose an epidural. That said, the best choice of all for me is no
anesthesia/analgesia at all. I'd just rather cope with the pain with my all
wits about me, relax between contractions, and be able to feel what's
happening to my body during the entire process.
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Old May 22nd 04, 08:00 PM
Naomi Pardue
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Others here have said they don't take
the pain away. Correct! Narcotics make you *not mind* the pain.
Isn't that enough?! For me, that is the ideal. You can feel all
of it, but it does not hurt you.


Your experience, perhaps. I had Talwin during labor. It didn't affect me
psychologically at all (I wasn't 'stoned' or anything), but it did help the
pain.

Since that time I've often used narcotic analgesics for migraine pain. It does
take the pain away. (At least on a good day ...)



Naomi
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Old May 22nd 04, 08:02 PM
Naomi Pardue
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That doesn't really make sense. You have to go THROUGH the epidural space
to reach the intrathecal space.


Which is, maybe, the point? That it's easier to do the spinal, since the
technique isn't as precise? I mean, spinals were around long before epidurals.
When epidurals first came into use, few hospitals offered them, because the
technique was so much more difficult, and most preferred to stay with the
easier-to-administer spinal. (The fact that the spinal left the woman totally
unable to push was immaterial, since the baby was usually dragged out with
forceps anyway.)


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