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Are chiropractors physicians?
Currently, Americas MDs are NOT behaving as physicians.
Americas MDs are behaving as CRIMINALS, senselessly closing birth canals and gruesomely manipulating most babies' spines - among other obvious crimes... See Johns Hopkins breast/vagina/penis power! (How America can INSTANTLY save $200 million per year...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2108 As always, I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs. MDs are just academic prime cuts forced through this culture's most powerful mental meatgrinder - medical school. ARE CHIROPRACTORS PHYSICIANS? "Currently, 30 states permit doctors of chiropractic to refer to themselves as 'chiropractic physicians.'" --James Edwards, DC, Chairman, ACA Board of Governors http://www.chiroweb.com/columnist/edwards/index.html OPEN LETTER (archived for global access***) James Edwards, DC Chairman Board of Governors American Chiropractic Association Board officer, ACA-PAC Austin, Texas Jim, You wrote: "Recently, Congressman Don Manzullo (D-IL) introduced HR 2560 in the U.S. House of Representatives...Chiropractors would be removed from the definition of 'physician' under §1861(r) of the Social Security Act." http://www.chiroweb.com/columnist/edwards/index.html When I got the Dorland's definition of "chiropractic" changed, Dorland's Chief Lexicographer Douglas Anderson also changed the Dorland's definition of "doctor" at my request. He took the opportunity to include not just graduates of chiropractic colleges but graduates of other health profession colleges (dentists, vets, podiatrists, etc.) Given what's at stake, I will now work to get the Dorland's definition of "physician" changed. (I hope ACA will not try to screw me again. See the postscript.) MD criminals should NOT be allowed to perpetuate their political power and their massive spinal manipulation crime all the while attempting to monopolize the term "physician." Their placing themselves on the "physician" pedestal is a big reason they are being allowed to commit their obvious crimes unmolested. Todd Dr. Gastaldo PS After my definition of chiropractic was published in two consecutive editions of Dorland's, ACA dishonestly attempted censor my BROADSCOPE definition of chiropractic (which I derived from DD Palmer via the 1966 ACA Commission for the Principles of Chiropractic). ACA attempted to substitute the late Ed Maurer's NARROWSCOPE "neuromusculoskeletal" definition. Fortunately, ACA was unsuccessful. My BROADSCOPE definition of chiropractic was published in a third edition of Dorland's. See One SHORT post per day - help make CHIROPRACTIC HISTORY... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2098 Jim, the American Chiropractic Association and its esteemed Chairman are still silent accessories to the massive obstetric birth crimes which include a massive MD spinal manipulation crime. Why, Jim? Are you hoping that ACA silence will earn political plums? One last note... You wrote: You wrote: "The AMA urges all physicians to insist on being identified as physicians, and to sign only those professional or medical documents identifying them as such. The AMA will review and revise its own publications, as necessary, to conform with its House of Delegates' policies on physician identification and physician reference, and will refrain from any definition of physicians as health care providers. The AMA supports seeking immediate modification of the Social Security laws to change the definition of a physician to conform with AMA policy. The AMA will seek legislation prohibiting the use of the term 'physician' as a descriptor other than in the context of a medical doctor (MD) or doctor of osteopathy (DO) (Res. 243, A-91; Reaffirmed BOT Rep. I-93-25; Reaffirmed Sub. Res. 712, I-94; Res. 241, A-97; emphasis added)." My preference would be to entirely ABOLISH titular etiquette entirely. But words are power and "physician" and "doctor" are power words. Until MDs join me in my abolish-titular-etiquette sentiment I will work to ensure that those non-cutting/non-drugging physicians known as DCs are acknowledged as the chiropractic physicians they are whereever and whenever possible. Again, MD criminals should NOT be allowed to perpetuate their political power and their massive spinal manipulation crime all the while attempting to monopolize the term "physician." As always, I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs. MDs are just academic prime cuts forced through this culture's most powerful mental meatgrinder - medical school. See again: Johns Hopkins breast/vagina/penis power! (How America can INSTANTLY save $200 million per year...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2108 Thanks for reading, Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo ******This post will be instantly archived for global access at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2111 Within 24 hours it will be in the google archive. Search http://groups.google.com for "Are chiropractors physicians?" |
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Are chiropractors physicians?
Considering that the theory behind chiropractic is not supported by medical
science, I don't think chiropractors should be allowed to call themselves physicians. In addition, chiropractors do not have the in-depth training that physicians about the human body or appropriate training such as residency. Jeff |
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Are chiropractors physicians?
Jeff wrote:
Considering that the theory behind chiropractic is not supported by medical science, I don't think chiropractors should be allowed to call themselves physicians. In addition, chiropractors do not have the in-depth training that physicians about the human body or appropriate training such as residency. They do provide a service though. I used to think that they were total quacks. But, after working with a personal injury lawyer, I've seen a suprising number of mutual referrals between neurologists and chiroporactors as well as mutual respect. In a sense, chiropractors bridge the gap between physical (or massage) therapists and physicians. Some people are highly comforted by their services. Whether the placebo effect is the main modus operandi or not remains unknown. |
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Are chiropractors physicians?
"giselle" wrote in message ... Jeff wrote: Considering that the theory behind chiropractic is not supported by medical science, I don't think chiropractors should be allowed to call themselves physicians. In addition, chiropractors do not have the in-depth training that physicians about the human body or appropriate training such as residency. They do provide a service though. I used to think that they were total quacks. But, after working with a personal injury lawyer, I've seen a suprising number of mutual referrals between neurologists and chiroporactors as well as mutual respect. In a sense, chiropractors bridge the gap between physical (or massage) therapists and physicians. Some people are highly comforted by their services. Whether the placebo effect is the main modus operandi or not remains unknown. I agree that some chiropractors provide valuable services. However, physical therapists, occupational therapists, dentists, psychologists and social workers all provide extremely important services. But they aren't physicians either. And I don't see how chiropractors bridge a gap between physical therapists and physicians. Physical therapists are highly trained professionals how understand anatomy and physiology from their coursework in school. Jeff |
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Are chiropractors physicians?
No.
They are not physicians. -- Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?" |
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Personally, I'd put chiropractors below physical therapists and massage therapists, in roughly the same category as fortune tellers and astrologers and faith healers. You know, the KOOK category. Chiropractors have been shown to improve back pain. For a few people with very specific conditions, some chriopractors do a wonderful service. (I think good physical therapy would be just as effective). However, considering that chiropractic is based on theories that are not in any way backed by science, I think the work would be better off without them. (...) |
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Are chiropractors physicians?
"giselle" wrote in message ... Mein wrote: Used to? They ARE. Your mind is going backwards. There is no need to be insulting. After you've gone through approximately 100 m of paperwork wherein neurologists and sports physicians send their injured patients to chiropractors, you might see things a little differently, too. I would not have believed it myself until I saw it. I didn't say that chiropractors accomplished anything. I just said that they provide a service. Some people find value in it. \ Many physcians send some patients to chiropracters, including me. However, it's been my experience that this is done, not because the chiropracters have specific medical treatments that are more effective, but because chiropracters are generally less constrained by scientific honesty. They can do a great song and dance for the patient and really make it believable. The resultant placebo effect is significant and can "cure" many patients that haven't responded to allopathic diagnosis and treatment primarily because their symptoms are either entirely psychological, or psychologically augmented symptoms of real physical complaints. HMc |
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Are chiropractors physicians?
-- "Howard McCollister" wrote in message ... "giselle" wrote in message ... Mein wrote: Used to? They ARE. Your mind is going backwards. There is no need to be insulting. After you've gone through approximately 100 m of paperwork wherein neurologists and sports physicians send their injured patients to chiropractors, you might see things a little differently, too. I would not have believed it myself until I saw it. I didn't say that chiropractors accomplished anything. I just said that they provide a service. Some people find value in it. \ Many physcians send some patients to chiropracters, including me. However, it's been my experience that this is done, not because the chiropracters have specific medical treatments that are more effective, but because chiropracters are generally less constrained by scientific honesty. They can do a great song and dance for the patient and really make it believable. The resultant placebo effect is significant and can "cure" many patients that haven't responded to allopathic diagnosis and treatment primarily because their symptoms are either entirely psychological, or psychologically augmented symptoms of real physical complaints. HMc Yes, chiropractors get referred those annoying patients with somatic disorders and frustrating chronic pain patients. It's unfortunate that there are not more pain centers available for the chronic pain people. And it's especially unfortunate that doctors are not trained to manage somatic disease and hypochondria. Perhaps if there were real treatment available, these unfortunate people would not get sent to have their wallets vacuumed by greedy chiropractic quacks. --Rich |
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Are chiropractors physicians?
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giselle wrote: Mein wrote: Used to? They ARE. Your mind is going backwards. There is no need to be insulting. After you've gone through approximately 100 m of paperwork wherein neurologists and sports physicians send their injured patients to chiropractors, you might see things a little differently, too. I would not have believed it myself until I saw it. I didn't say that chiropractors accomplished anything. I just said that they provide a service. Some people find value in it. In some parts of the world, the work chiropractors do is very similar to that of physiotherapists, and similarly effective for appropriate problems. There's a small subset of chiropractors in North America who work this way, and doctors are often pleased to refer patients to them. These chiros treat lower back pain by teaching the patient methods and exercises to reduce pain and prevent continuing and repeat injury. Chiropractic manipulation cannot affect the spine itself, but can relieve some of the pain caused by muscle spasms that can occur in response to disk injuries. It's true that the most common lower back problems will improve significantly in a few months if the patient doesn't aggravate them, but they will also recur. This gives many chiropractors a devoted following and a steady income - they relieve the pain while the injury heals itself, and the next time the patient "throws his back out" he comes back for another course of treatment, with perhaps some routine "preventative" treatments in between as well. Lower back pain can really degrade quality of life and some pain relief without chronic use of drugs is preferable to none. Unfortunately, most chiros are not like the most ethical ones in the first paragraph, or even like the ones who have the sense to limit themselves to the few conditions they can treat reasonably effectively like those in the second. They range from honestly self-deluded magical thinkers to the most cynical of sociopaths preying on the sick, ignorant and desperate to inflate their egos and fill their pockets. Some years ago there was a chiro on this list who belonged to a new organization of chiros who ascribe to the methods and goals of those in the first paragraph. Several physicians on the list were very interested and said that if they could find such practitioners locally they would refer patients to them. I suspect that the chiros the physicians in Giselle's documents referred to were of the first and/or second type. Unfortunately, such chiros can be hard to find, and in many areas, most chiros are out and out quacks, and sometimes dangerous ones. |
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