If they can do it...

"They say we are criminals. We are not criminals," said Salvador Hernandez,
43, of Los Angeles, a resident alien who came to the United States illegally
from El Salvador 14 years ago and worked as truck driver, painter and day
laborer.

While I sympathize with your position, you do see the irony in the
above statement?

Gini wrote:
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
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"Gini" wrote in
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So...what you're saying is that it can't be done?
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The government is talking about criminalizing a whole race of poor
people,
I
think we have alot in common!

"They say we are criminals. We are not criminals," said Salvador
Hernandez,
43, of Los Angeles, a resident alien who came to the United States
illegally
from El Salvador 14 years ago and worked as truck driver, painter and day
laborer.

Illegal immigration is a huge hot-button issue for tax payers in the
western
portion of the U.S. The expense of educating illegal children in our
schools, providing medical coverage in ER's for illegals, housing illegals
in jails and prisons, giving illegals out-of-state college tuition rates,
and welfare benefits for illegals is draining the budgets of western
states.

I can relate from personal observation, the family court facilitators in
western state courthouses there to help illegal fathers is made worse by
the
need to provide English to Spanish translators to deal with the social
issues like CS.
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Having lived in Phoenix for several years, I'm aware of this dilemma. But,
they were the best laborers my ex had in his roofing business. Not too many
Phoenix natives wanted to climb up on those roofs in the summer.
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I don't think it matter economically all that much. If illegals were
reduced in number greatly:

1. Prices on Food, Homes, and some Services would go up

2. Wages in Agriculture and Construction would go up

Americans will do the work, but your gonna have to pay more for it. I
think we need more legal immigration from other countries to
counterbalance the illegals and provide a larger worker base for when
the boomers all retire.

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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

Illegal immigration is a huge hot-button issue for tax payers in the
western
portion of the U.S. The expense of educating illegal children in our
schools, providing medical coverage in ER's for illegals, housing
illegals
in jails and prisons, giving illegals out-of-state college tuition
rates,
and welfare benefits for illegals is draining the budgets of western
states.

The expense of educating all children in our schools, providing medical
coverage in ER's for all workers, housing people in jails and prisons,
giving poor workers out-of-state college tuition rates, and welfare
benefits for all people is draining the budgets of all states.

Like CS issues, it's all about the money!

Are you an illegal immigrant?

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

Are you an illegal immigrant?

If you remember, I was arrested at an immigration office for arrearages
while I was completing my Greencard process. It still amazes me that an
American Family court can have jurisdiction over other citizens of another
country, even when they know you don't live in this country!!!!!

I'm not sure anymore why I even need to try move here?

I will say this, USA immigration laws are setup so that many of the people
that want to come and work in the Fields & Farms would not qualify for any
type of Visa. It's very hard for a highly skilled labourer to get a Visa, a
non skilled/non educated worker has no chance.

Just like with Divorce & CS, everybody loses except the Lawyers & the whole
court system. Immigration lawyers are raping these poor people for filling
in some basic forms & the INS helps a Lawyer's fee by making it tough by
rejecting simple applications over mere technical spelling & grammar errors.

If you thought food was expensive before, just wait till all those cheap
illegal workers are replaced with documented workers that employers have to
register with workman's comp, pay benefits & vacation pay. It makes no sense
to criminalize these poor people, the economical costs is staggering to do
so!

Do you think your educated sons & daughters are going to push the lap top
aside & start working in the orchards & fields or maybe put down the pen &
lift up a hammer to install a roof on a hot blistering day? Will they work
all day for small sums of money & then go home to a shack or van?

Like the CS laws, Immigration laws & policy are being pushed thru by
pressing hot emotions & false facts. Illegal immigration is not the problem,
the problem is the politician's who want to use this issue to make the
present party in power look bad.
Where have all these concerened politicians been for the past 50 years?

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"They say we are criminals. We are not criminals," said Salvador
Hernandez,
43, of Los Angeles, a resident alien who came to the United States
illegally
from El Salvador 14 years ago and worked as truck driver, painter and day
laborer.

While I sympathize with your position, you do see the irony in the
above statement?

What irony is that?

There is a huge demand for Truck Drivers, Painters & labourers of all sorts.
Employers can't find enough people that want to work!

"DB" wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

Are you an illegal immigrant?

If you remember, I was arrested at an immigration office for arrearages
while I was completing my Greencard process. It still amazes me that an
American Family court can have jurisdiction over other citizens of another
country, even when they know you don't live in this country!!!!!

Well, when one is standing on the soil, the laws in effect are of that
country. It would be difficult to enforce the laws of all alien's different
countries while standing in line at INS. That is the only part of this that
makes any sense, however.


I'm not sure anymore why I even need to try move here?

Probably bought into the lie that the US was free.


I will say this, USA immigration laws are setup so that many of the people
that want to come and work in the Fields & Farms would not qualify for any
type of Visa. It's very hard for a highly skilled labourer to get a Visa,
a non skilled/non educated worker has no chance.

That's the reward for doing it legal. You have to sneak in, then they don't
care.


Just like with Divorce & CS, everybody loses except the Lawyers & the
whole court system. Immigration lawyers are raping these poor people for
filling in some basic forms & the INS helps a Lawyer's fee by making it
tough by rejecting simple applications over mere technical spelling &
grammar errors.

They ARE lawyers, after all. That's what lawyers DO. Who do you think set
this all up the way it is? Lawyers.


If you thought food was expensive before, just wait till all those cheap
illegal workers are replaced with documented workers that employers have
to register with workman's comp, pay benefits & vacation pay. It makes no
sense to criminalize these poor people, the economical costs is staggering
to do so!

No, the people are not to be punished, but to be fair, all business should
labor under the same laws and rules. If employers must pay worker's comp
insurance, all should. By the way, vacation and other benefits are at the
descretion of the employer, not the government... not yet at least.


Do you think your educated sons & daughters are going to push the lap top
aside & start working in the orchards & fields or maybe put down the pen &
lift up a hammer to install a roof on a hot blistering day? Will they work
all day for small sums of money & then go home to a shack or van?

The problem is not a lack of able workers, the problem is that so many are
receiving government benefits and refuse to work.
If the government would butt out, many of these socialist parasites would
suddenly be able to work and being unskilled and less than trained, they
would pick fruit or die.


Like the CS laws, Immigration laws & policy are being pushed thru by
pressing hot emotions & false facts. Illegal immigration is not the
problem, the problem is the politician's who want to use this issue to
make the present party in power look bad.
Where have all these concerened politicians been for the past 50 years?

Nothing much has changed for the better in the past 50 years and I don't
expect it to improve in the next 50. As far as politicians are concerned,
it's all about pork and perks. Politicians are not looking out for the
People at all except on trying to screw them out of their life, sweat and
blood.
Phil #3

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"They say we are criminals. We are not criminals," said Salvador
Hernandez,
43, of Los Angeles, a resident alien who came to the United States
illegally
from El Salvador 14 years ago and worked as truck driver, painter and
day
laborer.

While I sympathize with your position, you do see the irony in the
above statement?

What irony is that?

An illegal alien claiming "we are not criminals".

There is a huge demand for Truck Drivers, Painters & labourers of all
sorts.
Employers can't find enough people that want to work!


Truck drivers do not make that much plus most live in a space smaller than a
prison cell for months at a time, catching a shower when possible, eating
gawd-awful food and dealing with numb-skulled government officials every
workday. Trust me, it's not that attractive after the second week.
None of the occupations you mention make much. Painting is seasonal and
sporadic and laborers work for pennies and have no security.
Phil #3

"Phil #3" wrote in

Truck drivers do not make that much plus most live in a space smaller than
a prison cell for months at a time, catching a shower when possible,
eating gawd-awful food and dealing with numb-skulled government officials
every workday. Trust me, it's not that attractive after the second week.
None of the occupations you mention make much. Painting is seasonal and
sporadic and laborers work for pennies and have no security.
Phil #3

So if the present pool of illegals vanish from the country, who will be left
to take up the millions of vacant positions?

"DB" wrote in message et...

"Phil #3" wrote in

Truck drivers do not make that much plus most live in a space smaller than a prison cell for months at a time,
catching a shower when possible, eating gawd-awful food and dealing with numb-skulled government officials every
workday. Trust me, it's not that attractive after the second week.
None of the occupations you mention make much. Painting is seasonal and sporadic and laborers work for pennies and
have no security.
Phil #3

So if the present pool of illegals vanish from the country, who will be left to take up the millions of vacant
positions?

All those unemployed people who are seeking an honest day's work for an honest day's pay?

"DB" wrote in message
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"Phil #3" wrote in

Truck drivers do not make that much plus most live in a space smaller
than a prison cell for months at a time, catching a shower when possible,
eating gawd-awful food and dealing with numb-skulled government officials
every workday. Trust me, it's not that attractive after the second week.
None of the occupations you mention make much. Painting is seasonal and
sporadic and laborers work for pennies and have no security.
Phil #3

So if the present pool of illegals vanish from the country, who will be
left to take up the millions of vacant positions?


Everyone else.
Phil #3