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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
On 9/9/10 10:28 AM, carole wrote:
"Bob wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:58:28 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, wrote: No, this ng is concerned with the uselessness and dangers of drugs, merely to counter all the pharmaceutical apologists that populate it. It isn't up to you to decide that Carole. The users themselves make the decision by participation. Peter b said "No Carole, there is nothing in the charter about discussion of dangers of pharmaceutical drugs. You just like to add things which are unnecessary or inflammatory, don't you?" Which is true, the red herrings you toss in to discussions are designed to do exactly what? Read what you wrote before my response, moron. There are only about 1 or 2 real alties in the group, the vast majority being pro pharmaceutical. Well I happen to be pro-truth. and pro-evidence. That's all very nice bob, but what happens when the evidence is stolen or otherwise goes missing? What evidence are you talking about, Carole. you mean the stuff you keep calling suppressed which can be found by the hundreds of books and web sites? Remember rummy's quote - There are things we know we know, things we know we don't know, and things we don't know that we don't know. These books would fall into the "things we know we don't know" category. ie the knowledge is there but the practise of it is suppressed. They DDT it with propaganda, and exile the treatments to mexico then do writeups in conventional sources to say it didn't work. Did it ever occur to you that these treatments don't work? There is no big conspiracy. The knowledge is not there. The only thing that is there is ignorance - you're a great example of that. Really Carole? You don't have a clue. Evidence which is missing will stand out like a glaring red light, just because it is missing. Like a line of prose with a word missing, the Evidence tells a story, the missing evidence will be just like the missing word. One need not make up through speculation and conspiracy wishes missing evidence.. There are intelligence agencies which run around the world finding and confiscating evidence of anything that is to be kept from the public, for whatever contrived reason that best fits with plausible deniability, ie "concern for the public good", "making the world a safer place", "national security" ...take your pick. More conspiracy theory. What a piece of work! Do you really think you are in a position to understand how the system works? I am in a far better position than you, are Carole, because I can understand what I read. I understand the evidence and the technicalities and the "Jargon" as you call it often which is the Precision of the Language developed to discuss the evidence. No, I don't think you're in a better position unfortunately because as a skeptic you look for any reasons to discredit anything that doesn't fit in with the status quo. You are a "yes" man posing as an independent thinker. What you're missing is that there is no evidence that the treatment works. There is no conspiracy. There is nothing to discredit because it doesn't work. There is nothing to cover up. I hope you don't thing you are an independent thinker - you're not a thinker at all. You're a front for alternative medicine. Look at the stupid web page you advertise. "Outlawing books that tell me how to heal myself (such as Stale Food Versus Fresh Food) is racketeering activity. Fallacy, you haven't shown books actually tell you how to heal yourself. What the medical gangsters have done to Rife, Hoxsey, Gerson, Ivy, Durovic, Privitera, Krebs, Koch, Crane, Sorry We already debunk the claims to show that Rife's story isn't how you and others presented it Carole. You really need to ditch your skeptic dictionary bob. "Debunking" ...what does that tell us? That you (as a skeptic) have decided using your little (inadequate) processes that some therapy or theory isn't valid. You have yet to show it is valid. All you say is that people are out to get you or the treatment. You have yet to show valid clinical data that the treatment works or to reference any valid evidence. Warner, Keller, Ghadiali, Beard, Taylor, Wright, Brodie, Naessens, Burzynski, Halstead, Richardson, Thurston, Pixley, Bolles and many others are great crimes, nearly invariably done in the name of "protecting the public." " Who are you citing about, Carole. and many of those people you claim as visionaries were crackpots. (Young and Kock) Take them one by one and I'll look into them. I'm not going to do the whole list ...one will do for now. And don't use conventional sources to look them up, or wikipedia, the establishment approved encyclopedia. Were is your own evidence about the foot fungus? That right you have none. and most of what you do post, is basically nothing but fallacies. Exactly what I mean bob. Until you get given evidence, you don't believe anything. Which is how science works carole. your anecdotal account is called a story unless backed by evidence. In all things, the burden of proof is the onus of the claimant. There are problems with that MO though - the evidence can be confiscated, there may be reasons such as expense that don't allow satisfactory tests, or the science might not agree with conventional thinking, a whole list of reasons for no evidence - and vice versa. Things WITH evidence may not be satisfactory for various reasons. You're looking for a conspiracy where there is none. There is no evidence that the treatment works. Period. You live in your own little world, and the idea of a bigger picture where things are manipulated from high up the food chain doesn't compute with you. You do not understand I do see the bigger picture. I understand how the system works and work with it. It is why I am successful person. It all depends on your definition of success - different people have different definitions. All societies develop systems and methods. What you claim as conspiracy is just you anto-social behavior. Oh so you're into playing "blame the victim". Its not the fault of the corrupt system, its the fault of the person talking about it. What you're claiming is conspiracy is just your stupidity looking for a way to believe something where there is no evidence, e.g., alternative medicine works - there is no evidence that it works. In fact, that is the definition of alternative medicine. If it were proven medicine, it would be proven medicine. In reality, there are two types of medicine: 1) Medicine that works. 2) Medicine that doesn't work. Alternative medicine goes here. You think that showing some peer reviewed study or some randomed controlled clinical study shows the evidence and that the evidence can never be wrong. No It could be wrong. when it is wrong it will be shown to be wrong sooner or later. that reason it will show up wrong sooner or later is because those test and data should be tested and replicated and if they are not in agreement then we know something is wrong. Maybe but in the meantime? Don't waste time and money on unproven treatments, particularly when there is no valid scientific reason why they should work. That's why when you cite a web page which shows the only person which could even preform the tests or see the results claimed was just one person, it is self-evidence that something isn't right. What you don't understand is that there are very few pieces of scientific evidence that haven't got a opposing view, or that can't be controlled or manipulated. Sorry, Carole that is your claim, it is up to you to prove it. carole www.conspiracee.com You still haven't proven it. Jeff |
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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
"carole" wrote:
I won't go into the rest of the healers you've looked up because it will be the same story --suppression of alternative cures to eliminate the competition. Hoxsey's escharotic paste is so suppressed that I was able to buy two jars of it from a non-suppressed web site. Unfortunately I lent it to a television program for a show about cancer quackery and they managed to lose it. Or maybe they suppressed it. If these things were suppressed we wouldn't be able to find out about them. That is why there are no books or web sites about Hoxsey or the hollow Earth. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com I'm @RatbagsDotCom on Twitter |
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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... If these things were suppressed we wouldn't be able to find out about them. That is why there are no books or web sites about Hoxsey or the hollow Earth. ********, as usual http://whale.to/a/cancer_c.html http://whale.to/cancer/hoxsey.html |
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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
On 9/10/10 2:22 AM, john wrote:
"Peter wrote in message ... If these things were suppressed we wouldn't be able to find out about them. That is why there are no books or web sites about Hoxsey or the hollow Earth. ********, as usual http://whale.to/a/cancer_c.html http://whale.to/cancer/hoxsey.html If the whaleto site, the laughing stock of the internet, thinks it is good, it must be total rubbish. John once again shows us that the author of the whaleto site have no clue about medicine or science. A much better site about Hoxsey: http://quackwatch.org/search/webglim...1&query=hoxsey Jeff |
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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
"Bob Officer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:22:35 +0100, in misc.health.alternative, "john" wrote: "Peter Bowditch" wrote in message . .. If these things were suppressed we wouldn't be able to find out about them. That is why there are no books or web sites about Hoxsey or the hollow Earth. ********, as usual http://whale.to/a/cancer_c.html http://whale.to/cancer/hoxsey.html Thanks, Pig-****-for-brains-John, for showing I was right the information isn't suppressed if you are distributing it. Suppressed doesn't mean it is rejected or shown to be ineffective. I was laughing when I read his response, knowing that the links were provided and that your replies were sarcasm. He should have caught that point by itself, alone. LOL Small wonder he couldn't manage his monies, defaulted on his taxes. |
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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
"Steelclaws" wrote in message . 16.121... "carole" wrote in news "Outlawing books that tell me how to heal myself (such as Stale Food Versus Fresh Food) is racketeering activity. What the medical gangsters have done to Rife, Hoxsey, Gerson, Ivy, Durovic, Privitera, Krebs, Koch, Crane, Warner, Keller, Ghadiali, Beard, Taylor, Wright, Brodie, Naessens, Burzynski, Halstead, Richardson, Thurston, Pixley, Bolles and many others are great crimes, nearly invariably done in the name of "protecting the public." " Let's take a look of those "heroes" then. Rife's been already dealt with previously, so I won't post about him again. Hoxsey's herbal treatments include a paste of antimony, zinc and bloodroot, arsenic, sulfur, and talc for external treatments. There is also a liquid tonic of licorice, red clover, burdock root, Stillingia root, barberry, Cascara, prickly ash bark, buckthorn bark, and potassium iodide to be taken internally. The paste is very caustic and can burn or scar the skin. The liquid tonic can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, anxiety, trembling, abdominal cramps and heart block. Moreover, red clover mimics estrogen, and would never be suitable for women with estrogen-responsive breast tumors. None of those have a known effect against cancer, and it's a matter of record that Hoxey himself died of the cancer his treatment failed to cure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoxsey_Therapy As noted previously, wikipedia isn't very reliable for anything that concerns establishment policy. As noted previously, you only have empty assertions about your claim, but evidence is missing. Please also remember I do check the references, and wikipedia editors cannot change the contents of external links. No, you just don't get it. Innovation is stifled, inventors are kept quiet by the pharmaceutical cartel. You won't find references because they make the evidence disappear and do propaganda on the inventors to make them appear stupid. The current policy is to support pharmaceutical treatments, which has been going on for a long time as there is big money involved. If you want to get the real story you need to read other sources such as http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#hoxsey and reviews at http://www.amazon.com/When-Healing-Becomes-Crime- Alternative/dp/0892819 251 Healing is not a crime - huckstering stuff that cannot work and can be dangerous for big bucks IS. You're so stupid, you wouldn't know if these guys were true or not. You simply believe whatever the establishment tells you. Wikipedia which is monitored constantly and changes made to some entries as soon as they are posted. As soon as somebody makes an entry it is changed to reflect official policy on some things. I've read about it. Its like 1984 and the ministry of truth. You'll never work it out though. carole www.conspiracee.com |
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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 9/10/10 2:22 AM, john wrote: "Peter wrote in message ... If these things were suppressed we wouldn't be able to find out about them. That is why there are no books or web sites about Hoxsey or the hollow Earth. ********, as usual http://whale.to/a/cancer_c.html http://whale.to/cancer/hoxsey.html If the whaleto site, the laughing stock of the internet, thinks it is good, it must be total rubbish. All you skeptics are a joke. You rule things out because there is no evidence but all the time the evidence has been made to disappear. You don't understand about DDT (Decoy, Distract and Trash) which intelligence operatives employ to get the public's attention off something real and important. John once again shows us that the author of the whaleto site have no clue about medicine or science. More than you not doc. A much better site about Hoxsey: http://quackwatch.org/search/webglim...1&query=hoxsey Jeff Quackwatch is rubbish. All silly nonsense, part of the skeptic club. The skeptics are as thick as **** but think they are heroes for saving the world against quacks. This group is policed by skeptics, who have the official story down pat. probably have a set of notes online to refer to as to what is the official position and what is allowed. carole www.conspiracee.com |
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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
"Bob Officer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:22:35 +0100, in misc.health.alternative, "john" wrote: "Peter Bowditch" wrote in message . .. If these things were suppressed we wouldn't be able to find out about them. That is why there are no books or web sites about Hoxsey or the hollow Earth. ********, as usual http://whale.to/a/cancer_c.html http://whale.to/cancer/hoxsey.html Thanks, Pig-****-for-brains-John, for showing I was right the information isn't suppressed if you are distributing it. Suppressed doesn't mean it is rejected or shown to be ineffective. But it is suppressed if Hoxley had to go to Mexico to practice it ****-for-brains-boob. carole www.conspiracee.com |
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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
"Steelclaws" wrote in message . 16.121... "carole" wrote in news "Outlawing books that tell me how to heal myself (such as Stale Food Versus Fresh Food) is racketeering activity. What the medical gangsters have done to Rife, Hoxsey, Gerson, Ivy, Durovic, Privitera, Krebs, Koch, Crane, Warner, Keller, Ghadiali, Beard, Taylor, Wright, Brodie, Naessens, Burzynski, Halstead, Richardson, Thurston, Pixley, Bolles and many others are great crimes, nearly invariably done in the name of "protecting the public." " Let's take a look of those "heroes" then. Rife's been already dealt with previously, so I won't post about him again. Hoxsey's herbal treatments include a paste of antimony, zinc and bloodroot, arsenic, sulfur, and talc for external treatments. There is also a liquid tonic of licorice, red clover, burdock root, Stillingia root, barberry, Cascara, prickly ash bark, buckthorn bark, and potassium iodide to be taken internally. The paste is very caustic and can burn or scar the skin. The liquid tonic can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, anxiety, trembling, abdominal cramps and heart block. Moreover, red clover mimics estrogen, and would never be suitable for women with estrogen-responsive breast tumors. None of those have a known effect against cancer, and it's a matter of record that Hoxey himself died of the cancer his treatment failed to cure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoxsey_Therapy As noted previously, wikipedia isn't very reliable for anything that concerns establishment policy. As noted previously, you only have empty assertions about your claim, but evidence is missing. Please also remember I do check the references, and wikipedia editors cannot change the contents of external links. You just don't get it do you? If there was real evidence it would have been confiscated by now. Do you understand what corruption means? The current policy is to support pharmaceutical treatments, which has been going on for a long time as there is big money involved. If you want to get the real story you need to read other sources such as http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#hoxsey and reviews at http://www.amazon.com/When-Healing-Becomes-Crime- Alternative/dp/0892819 251 Healing is not a crime - huckstering stuff that cannot work and can be dangerous for big bucks IS. Well unfortunately, you can't tell the difference. If I was only going to read the wikipedia story, I would agree that Hoxley was a fraud. However, there are other sources. Find me an other source that says Hoxley did not die of cancer - complete with the death certificate showing some other cause. You just don't get it do you? The fact that Hoxley himself died of cancer shows his treatment was ineffective. The same goes for Hulda Clark. You'll never work it out that's for sure. You're too stupid. All that education and still thick as a brick. And if you're going to say that some of Hoxley's ingredients were harmful, how to you explain chemo and radiation? Tu quoque fallacy. Nobody's claimed chemo is completely harmless, but it has been shown to have a beneficial effect, unlike Hoxley's quackery. You're joking right? I won't go into the rest of the healers you've looked up because it will be the same story --suppression of alternative cures to eliminate the competition. LOL. Run, carole, run. Don't look into anything, just stay the dumb believer that you are. All that education and you're still as thick as ****. But then they do a good job on people. The reality is that some of those "cures" are either useless or downright harmful, laetrile being a good example. I fully support prosecuting charlatans who peddle harmful "cures" to the gullible. And chemo is what? And costs how much? Look up Ghadiali, btw. Maybe you like sexual predators, but I don't. He did 5 years in jail for violating the Mann Act. The case is Ghadiali v. United States, 9 Cir., 17 F.2d 236 No thankyou. I'm not looking up any of your references because they're crap. "In 1925, when Ghadiali was on a lecture tour, he was arrested in Seattle and sentenced under the Mann Act to five years in the Atlanta Penitentiary. He later published a two-volume work, Railroading a Citizen, in which he blamed this unjust "persecution" on the medical trusts, the KKK, Catholics, Negroes, Henry Ford, the Department of Justice, and Great Britain. The book reprints the more sensational parts of the trial in which his teen-age secretary accuses him of rape, forcing her into "unnatural practices," and later performing an abortion. Ghadiali's purpose in reprinting this testimony is to allow himself a chance to interject comments accusing the girl of lying. Unfortunately, the impression left on the reader is that the girl was telling a straightforward story." - Gardner, Fads and Fallacies, 1957 Not interested thankyou. You are too dumb to deal with. carole www.conspiracee.com |
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Psychotropic Drugs Perfect Killing Machine ... MUST READ
"Bob Officer" wrote in message news On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:04:13 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "Steelclaws" wrote in message 7.16.121... "carole" wrote in nd.com: "Outlawing books that tell me how to heal myself (such as Stale Food Versus Fresh Food) is racketeering activity. What the medical gangsters have done to Rife, Hoxsey, Gerson, Ivy, Durovic, Privitera, Krebs, Koch, Crane, Warner, Keller, Ghadiali, Beard, Taylor, Wright, Brodie, Naessens, Burzynski, Halstead, Richardson, Thurston, Pixley, Bolles and many others are great crimes, nearly invariably done in the name of "protecting the public." " Let's take a look of those "heroes" then. Rife's been already dealt with previously, so I won't post about him again. Hoxsey's herbal treatments include a paste of antimony, zinc and bloodroot, arsenic, sulfur, and talc for external treatments. There is also a liquid tonic of licorice, red clover, burdock root, Stillingia root, barberry, Cascara, prickly ash bark, buckthorn bark, and potassium iodide to be taken internally. The paste is very caustic and can burn or scar the skin. The liquid tonic can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, anxiety, trembling, abdominal cramps and heart block. Moreover, red clover mimics estrogen, and would never be suitable for women with estrogen-responsive breast tumors. None of those have a known effect against cancer, and it's a matter of record that Hoxey himself died of the cancer his treatment failed to cure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoxsey_Therapy As noted previously, wikipedia isn't very reliable for anything that concerns establishment policy. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-FDAHoxsey.JPG Is a copy of a government issued warning about fraudulent claims. Wikipedia is a political correct encyclopedia. http://www.mdanderson.org/education-...es/hoxsey.html Is a from cancer center which does use CAM treatments. Most all of Wikipedia's references are from CAM or authoritative sources with documents references. The key with any internet based (or Printed) source is to fully read the references. I don't care where wikipedia gets its information. I have heard that entries in wikipedia are changed as fast as they are put in to reflect the establishment views. IOW a very biased source. I would consult it for anyting non-political or non-medical or non-energy related fields or non-military or non-psychiatric ... Oh damn it. I would consult it for anything to do with botany. There that's better! The current policy is to support pharmaceutical treatments, which has been going on for a long time as there is big money involved. And you know the alternative treatments are free? How quickly you forget the facts that the fraudulent treatments often cost more and are least effective. Dead patients that use treatment centers out of the US (mexico's courts will not even hear these types of cases.) can not sue the people pass off these treatments when they fail or cause harm. I don't forget anything bob. And particularly how much of an arsehole you turned out to be. But then is that a surprise? I knew your past performance in sci.geo.geology as a total smartarse. So I was warned. If you want to get the real story you need to read other sources such as http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#hoxsey and reviews at http://www.amazon.com/When-Healing-B.../dp/0892819251 http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69258.cfm cite Bottom Line: The Hoxsey Herbal Therapy does NOT work and some of its components may be dangerous. It is based on false theories that do not agree with scientific evidence. /cite If you want to talk dangerous or poisonous, let's discuss chemo. http://google2.fda.gov/search?q=hoxs...ov&btnG=Search http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Cons.../ucm048383.htm http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enforcement...ucm1048264.htm http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ForCons.../UCM143670.pdf http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/DOC...68/c000001.pdf Do you need more to see what a fraud looks like? Yes, you are a fraud ...you and your skepticism. If I was only going to read the wikipedia story, I would agree that Hoxley was a fraud. However, there are other sources. All of them trying to lead people to buy the stuff which is actually harmful to them. Well that's a joke. Carole do you know what happens when your skin comes into contact with antimony trisulfide or arsenic trisulfide? Do you know what happens to your brain when you get mind controlled and dumbed down? http://www.bariumchemicals.com/Produ....asp?MSDSid=16 https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/84980.htm And yes, I know what these substances are because I collect them in their native unrefined form. I wear goggles/dust masks, shoes and clothing designed for hazardous environments. Would I put them on my skin. No! That's your job boob. Lots of jobs are dangerous including anything to do with electricity, heights, water, gas, psychiatry and medicine. And if you're going to say that some of Hoxley's ingredients were harmful, how to you explain chemo and radiation? False comparison fallacy Carole. One is a valid medical treatment which is based upon evidence and data. The other is based on post hoc fallacy and lots of evidence it doesn't work. You're just being a smartarse as usual. Do you think 1 case of "successful" treatment out of 71 cases is good? That's Hoxsey's best it seems. Pure propaganda bob. But then you're too stupid to understand what propaganda is. I won't go into the rest of the healers you've looked up because it will be the same story --suppression of alternative cures to eliminate the competition. Carole do you sign "If I only had a clue" to the tune of "If I only had a brain" from the Wizard of OZ, after you post. You're past help bob. Its too late for you. carole www.conspiracee.com |
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