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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sitsin jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 28, 9:48 am, " krp" wrote: "0:-]" wrote in message news You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with the CPS system. Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized CPS in the past... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. I can tell you his insight regarding CPS has been a part of every case I've worked on in the last six years or so. Don is the CPS scum who spammed his states most vulnerable children to usenet perverts for his own sick gain. He is a morally bankrupt individual -- and has proved it beyond any doubt. That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused. Don/Kane/d'geezer has proved who and what s/he is right here on ASCPS - a parent hating liar who will use any means to protect his precious CPS. Don has spent his life destroying innosents. He just wants tro scream it ain't so before you-know-who gets to give him his due. lol. You're just a mouthpiece for the system. Which is why you attack anyone standing up for the wrongly accused. He has never attacked me, ever. His posts to ASCPS proves he is a parent hating koo-koo who has falsely accused anyone who dares disagree with his delusions. lol. In fact quite the opposite is true. You mean Don is your SO?? Sheesh - that explains it. Dan Sullivan -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sitsin jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:46:31 GMT, " krp" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per 100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a bunch of social workers. Still waiting on an answer fx. Why do you continue to knowingly post false information with each of your posts? Perhaps if you wish to complain about the "false information" you could post proof that it is false? You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es them off Greg. To a point you are correct kenny. It does tend to irritate me a bit, but then again these "suggestions" are lies, proven to be lies, and everyone should object to that. Why don't you? Why do you continue to support points of view that have been proven to be false time and again kenny? don't it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with the CPS system. My views are supported by fact kenny. Verifiable, posted, fact. fx and gregg cannot claim the same. And if they were to it is quite easy to point out the errors in their theories with the facts. No Ron your views are supported by bull**** you and the CPS people CALL facts. The come right out of the federal government data base created charts, krp. You calling them liars? Of course they're liars. Didn't you read the NJ report. Seems CPS scum are nearly incapable of telling the truth. In case you missed it, http://library.adoption.com/laws-and...le/5835/1.html CPS has a vested interest in covering the fact that they give vulnerable children to know abusers and molesters -and allow children to remain being abused and molested - just so they [CPS] can 'save face'. Don/Kane/d'geezer, you are our poster 'boy' for scumbags willing to lie through their teeth to avoid responsibility for their unconscionable behavior. Lots of **** is "posted"" Ron and it is bull****. Ron is usually good enough to post the link to the source of what he contributes...something you consistently fail to do, after your bogus outrageous claims. To me the true test is challenging those "facts" where the evidence supporting both sides is put to the test of credibility. Are you suggesting the feds "'facts'" are not credible and you have facts that are? Have you bothered to read the sources for fx "facts," krp? Nut case conspiracy theorists etc. Do you, for instance, believe their "fact" that plane loads of foster children were shipped out of the country for sales as sex slaves? Or that DC bigwigs have been taking foster children to use for sex slaves then murdering them when they get too old? That's what fx has posted at 'fact,' krp. In a court where BULL**** you read in "POSTS" doesn't cut it. I absolutely agree. I want to see RON'S proof, which he provides by link, and I'm very familiar with myself, from having quoted them here and linked to them. Now YOU provide the links for support of what you think are contrary facts, krp. Where purse **** like your pal's claims of EXPERTISE on Cuba You are lying. I not only showed you were I got the information, I linked directly to it. Then you proceeded to disclaim that information as tourist bull****. would get him yanked off the witness stand by the bailiff. If I provided the federal data and their charts as Ron did? I don't so. I think if YOU were up there, and made some of the claims you've made here and were asked for you sources, and you followed up as you do here, (not), you'd be in jail for contempt after telling the judge HE had to provide support for YOUR lies before YOU were going to give up the source. Exactly what you've tried to pull with me and others here. You are a liar. Not even a good one. Just a loud and stupid one. Now show us YOUR proof as Ron showed HIS in earlier posts, and I have shown similar proof for the federal numbers that disproves the nonsense fx cuts and pastes from the loonie bin sources that NEVER provide actual proof. Give it up, krp. You are outed. Kane -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
On Jun 28, 11:25 am, Chas wrote:
Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 28, 9:48 am, " krp" wrote: "0:-]" wrote in message news You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with the CPS system. Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized CPS in the past... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. I can tell you his insight regarding CPS has been a part of every case I've worked on in the last six years or so. Don is the CPS scum who spammed his states most vulnerable children to usenet perverts for his own sick gain. I don't know if any of that is true. Got proof? He is a morally bankrupt individual -- and has proved it beyond any doubt. Not in my book. That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused. Don/Kane/d'geezer has proved who and what s/he is right here on ASCPS - a parent hating liar who will use any means to protect his precious CPS. How can you claim someone has proved who they are when you don't know if they're male or female "s/he" ??? Don has spent his life destroying innosents. He just wants tro scream it ain't so before you-know-who gets to give him his due. lol. A lifetime of destroying innocents? Is that as accurate a claim as your "s/he" commment? You're just a mouthpiece for the system. Which is why you attack anyone standing up for the wrongly accused. He has never attacked me, ever. His posts to ASCPS proves he is a parent hating koo-koo who has falsely accused anyone who dares disagree with his delusions. lol. Thru me he has helped many parents get their kids back from CPS. In fact quite the opposite is true. You mean Don is your SO?? Sheesh - that explains it. Ahhh, you never change, Dennis. You never let the facts or common sense interfere with your delusions. |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
krp wrote
You must remember [that] to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with the CPS system. Yep! Kane AKA d'geezer AKA dgenius AKA Donald L. Fisher of Oregon wrote Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized CPS in the past... krp wrote Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Dan Sullivan wrote Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. And the proof of this is a whole collection of other "system sucks" and people who were butt buddies with you guys long before any supposed case, right? One spoke before legislators on election day. That one also uses at least 5 names. Several other of these ""references"" seem to be nothing but anonymous internet "socks". I can tell you his insight regarding CPS has been a part of every case I've worked on in the last six years or so. That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused. Caseworkers, former caseworkers, social workers, Fosters and Former fosters. krp wrote You're just a mouthpiece for the system. Which is why you attack anyone standing up for the wrongly accused. Dan Sullivan wrote He has never attacked me, ever. Wouldn't that be hard to do when he's lodged in your buttocks? Dan Sullivan wrote In fact quite the opposite is true. When he washes your back do you use a loofa or a sponge? Or do you save that for when you're both in drag and ""infiltrating"" Family Rights groups you oppose? |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message oups.com... You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with the CPS system. Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized CPS in the past... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. Sorry Don, I don't believe it. I can tell you his insight regarding CPS has been a part of every case I've worked on in the last six years or so. Well then you are painting yourself with his brush Don. That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused. The correctly accused can worry about themselves. I am worried about the kids of the wrongly accused parents and half-assed CPS agencies. You're just a mouthpiece for the system. Which is why you attack anyone standing up for the wrongly accused. He has never attacked me, ever. `But then you never really take on CPS for all the anti-family policies they espouse, have you? In fact quite the opposite is true. That's because CPS agents Kane and Ron see you as a "FELLOW TRAVELER." |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
"0:-]" wrote in message ... My views are supported by fact kenny. Verifiable, posted, fact. fx and gregg cannot claim the same. And if they were to it is quite easy to point out the errors in their theories with the facts. No Ron your views are supported by bull**** you and the CPS people CALL facts. The come right out of the federal government data base created charts, krp. You calling them liars? At times - Kane? YES! I have seen the Feds abuse the **** out of the data at their disposal. Good example is in child support statistics. The REAL stats on who abuses children is another. TRY to find accurate data on the children abused while IN the system's care and control. Lots of **** is "posted"" Ron and it is bull****. Ron is usually good enough to post the link to the source of what he contributes...something you consistently fail to do, after your bogus outrageous claims. I was more referring to political bull****. You know, like "CHILDREN NEVER LIE" the "Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome" the old BULL**** that "Only 2% of the allegations of abuse allegations in divorce cases turn out to be untrue" and that kind of galloping horse ****. Not to mention your HERO'S website as another example. |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
"0:-]" wrote in message ... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Do you have some examples, that you can provide a LINK to, krp, where I have given advice that would be suicide? LINK Kane? No didn't save it. But thinking about your advice to just blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. (Performance agreements, etc.) Which is tacit agreement to surrender legal JURISDICTION to them to run your family . BAD BAD BAD legal advice Kane. They should always seek out legal counsel and NOT you! |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
"Greegor" wrote in message oups.com... You must remember [that] to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with the CPS system. Yep! Kane AKA d'geezer AKA dgenius AKA Donald L. Fisher of Oregon wrote Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized CPS in the past... You know Kane's claims strike me the same way as listening to some south Georgia cracker trying to tell me he isn't a racist with the claim; 'some of my best friends are n-word!" I just reject bull**** when it starts covering my shoes. |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
On Jun 28, 2:36 pm, " krp" wrote:
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message oups.com... You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with the CPS system. Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized CPS in the past... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. Sorry Don, I don't believe it. My name is Dan... not Don. And I can't tell you how much sleep I'm gonig to miss because you don't believe it. I can tell you his insight regarding CPS has been a part of every case I've worked on in the last six years or so. Well then you are painting yourself with his brush Don. That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused. The correctly accused can worry about themselves. I am worried about the kids of the wrongly accused parents and half-assed CPS agencies. ??? You're just a mouthpiece for the system. Which is why you attack anyone standing up for the wrongly accused. He has never attacked me, ever. `But then you never really take on CPS for all the anti-family policies they espouse, have you? For "all" the anti-family policies? Have you taken on CPS for "all" the anti-family policies, Ken? And if so, please post the citations with URLs for verification. Surely with all the pro family work you've done over the years you'll be able to post the citations for a substantial number of your successes. And for you to imply I've never taken on CPS just proves you have no idea what I've done to help people prevail over CPS... reversing bad findings of CAN and getting children back from fostercare. And a few criminal cases. In fact quite the opposite is true. That's because CPS agents Kane and Ron see you as a "FELLOW TRAVELER." How would you know how Kane or Ron see me? And I'm on record disagreeing with Kane and Ron on a number of issues. |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
Kane wrote
'Fraid not. I think they would not be terribly happy with my helping folks as I do. Why would they care how many butt buddies and sock puppets you PRETEND you helped? krp wrote Which is why you attack anyone standing up for the wrongly accused. Kane wrote You mean like Greg? Greg Hansen who advised a women who had just recovered her children from CPS to, in another case, step right up with the evidence she had broken the two party recording law in her state to challenge this "unfair law," and risk being charged with a crime, possibly arrested, and possibly end up in jail...with CPS coming for her children again? That "anyone," krp? You're talking about ""lostintranslation"" Kim Olson of CT "lazyvegan"? She of the mysterious 20 second audio clip with her name in it? Famous for addressing lawmakers on election day? Where DOES she work anyway? Kane wrote The same Greg that attaches like a blood sucking leech to anyone coming here to seek advice and information, and tries to get them to follow HIS example....one of SIX PLUS YEARS of having sabotaged his girlfriends attempts to have her child returned from state custody? That 'anyone,' krp? Should I NAME the public defenders who failed to afford their client a VIGOROUS defense? Who fought like limp dishrags? Who "sold out" the family? Who urged the "stipulation scam" and promised to protect against a bad service plan and then when they saw the plan later, promptly WITHDREW? Did you really think we shunned legal counsel and started PRO SE pleadings right off the bat? Finding a public defender who is not a complete stooge for the DHS plan is very hard. Even finding a PAID attorney who will afford parents a VIGOROUS REPRESENTATION against CPS (The State) is extremely difficult. Read his "pleading," and his House Ways and Means Committee Hearing testimony, krp. And with a straight face say the same thing...pointing out in his rambling self aggrandizement exactly what you think I am attacking him for that should NOT be attacked as a sure fire way to LOSE A CASE WITH CPS. As opposed to "winning through surrender" I suppose. Doing services to please the agency before they even have the legal right to dictate such stuff, right? Come on, master Debater. Let's do another "sociopathy" lie from you. I'll kick your sorry ass just as I did then. Delusions of grandeur! Do you think ANYONE, even Greg, fell for your feeble dodge that I had to agree I was wrong when your charge of what I said or didn't say was a flat out LIE? What what what? Too much run on sentence RAVING. To Kane truth is a thin veneer to wrap his lies in. Get with the program krp. No one here is blind, or stupid, as you'd wish them to be. Are you reading a job ad for CPS worker prerequisites? You left out obsessive, deluded and incompetent. And anyone that WOULD fall for your bull**** is either one or the other or both, or a liar such as you. Because you said so, right? On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, " krp" wrote: "0:-]" wrote in message ... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Do you have some examples, that you can provide a LINK to, krp, where I have given advice that would be suicide? LINK Kane? No didn't save it. But thinking about your advice to just blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. (Performance agreements, etc.) Which is tacit agreement to surrender legal JURISDICTION to them to run your family . BAD BAD BAD legal advice Kane. They should always seek out legal counsel and NOT you! By the way, krp, THAT is Dan's advice, merely ECHOED by Kane. Kane has admitted to ""infiltrating"" Family Rights groups. Dan got caught doing it and ejected. They have BOTH badmouthed Family Rights groups in general. They claim they are superior. The last time Dan infiltrated a group he had already been kicked out of, he lasted mere weeks because he just had to vent his spleen about his ""concerns"" with the Constitutional Defense. He actually berates any legal argument, come to think of it. He urges the quicker more expedient solution to get the kids home. Can you guess what that is? Another one of my favorites is that Dan has asserted how easy it is to get a CPS Service Plan corrected when it's wrong. To hear LIT and him tell it, all a family has to do is ask the caseworker and they instantly change the service plan. Hell, It took years and some really embarassing court pleadings to get the agency to drop the ""Vocational Rehab"" item even though the item was totally impossible since they knew I had no disability. After I called the Vocational Rehab agency I think Iowa DHS got a rather embarassing message from the Department Of Vocational Rehab. That and a taunting, embarassing pleading got them to remove this totally IMPOSSIBLE service. Caseworker input into the psych eval said that I ""perceived myself"" to be an assault victim. Investigation of this ""pathology"" was dropped after the attacker plead GUILTY and spent a night in jail. We had one caseworker so ****y she stood in the courthouse hallway wringing her fists like Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros. She's the one who perjured herself about me sending her a threatening e-mail. (Proving malicious intent, by the way.) The ""e-mail"" lie was so lame the Judge rolled his eyes, knowing full well she lied on the witness stand. |
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