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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
On Jun 28, 4:25 pm, Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote 'Fraid not. I think they would not be terribly happy with my helping folks as I do. Why would they care how many butt buddies and sock puppets you PRETEND you helped? krp wrote Which is why you attack anyone standing up for the wrongly accused. Kane wrote You mean like Greg? Greg Hansen who advised a women who had just recovered her children from CPS to, in another case, step right up with the evidence she had broken the two party recording law in her state to challenge this "unfair law," and risk being charged with a crime, possibly arrested, and possibly end up in jail...with CPS coming for her children again? That "anyone," krp? You're talking about ""lostintranslation"" Kim Olson of CT "lazyvegan"? She of the mysterious 20 second audio clip with her name in it? What's mysterious about it? Famous for addressing lawmakers on election day? You can't talk to lawmakers on election day? Where DOES she work anyway? Conneticut, I believe. Kane wrote The same Greg that attaches like a blood sucking leech to anyone coming here to seek advice and information, and tries to get them to follow HIS example....one of SIX PLUS YEARS of having sabotaged his girlfriends attempts to have her child returned from state custody? That 'anyone,' krp? Should I NAME the public defenders who failed to afford their client a VIGOROUS defense? Please do. Who fought like limp dishrags? Who "sold out" the family? Who urged the "stipulation scam" and promised to protect against a bad service plan and then when they saw the plan later, promptly WITHDREW? Did you really think we shunned legal counsel and started PRO SE pleadings right off the bat? Wasn't it only a couple of weeks and then you decided to fight CPS over every issue large or small? Finding a public defender who is not a complete stooge for the DHS plan is very hard. Even finding a PAID attorney who will afford parents a VIGOROUS REPRESENTATION against CPS (The State) is extremely difficult. How much have YOU personally spent on attny's fees since the little girl was removed? Read his "pleading," and his House Ways and Means Committee Hearing testimony, krp. And with a straight face say the same thing...pointing out in his rambling self aggrandizement exactly what you think I am attacking him for that should NOT be attacked as a sure fire way to LOSE A CASE WITH CPS. As opposed to "winning through surrender" I suppose. Doing services to please the agency before they even have the legal right to dictate such stuff, right? To get the children back BEFORE CPS can get the Judge to Order a six month removal! That's not a good thing, Greg? Come on, master Debater. Let's do another "sociopathy" lie from you. I'll kick your sorry ass just as I did then. Delusions of grandeur! Do you think ANYONE, even Greg, fell for your feeble dodge that I had to agree I was wrong when your charge of what I said or didn't say was a flat out LIE? What what what? Too much run on sentence RAVING. To Kane truth is a thin veneer to wrap his lies in. Get with the program krp. No one here is blind, or stupid, as you'd wish them to be. Are you reading a job ad for CPS worker prerequisites? You left out obsessive, deluded and incompetent. And anyone that WOULD fall for your bull**** is either one or the other or both, or a liar such as you. Because you said so, right? On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, " krp" wrote: "0:-]" wrote in message .. . Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Do you have some examples, that you can provide a LINK to, krp, where I have given advice that would be suicide? LINK Kane? No didn't save it. But thinking about your advice to just blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. (Performance agreements, etc.) Which is tacit agreement to surrender legal JURISDICTION to them to run your family . BAD BAD BAD legal advice Kane. They should always seek out legal counsel and NOT you! By the way, krp, THAT is Dan's advice, merely ECHOED by Kane. Kane has admitted to ""infiltrating"" Family Rights groups. Dan got caught doing it and ejected. They have BOTH badmouthed Family Rights groups in general. They claim they are superior. The last time Dan infiltrated a group he had already been kicked out of, he lasted mere weeks because he just had to vent his spleen about his ""concerns"" with the Constitutional Defense. That wasn't me. Obviously it was simply someone else who saw thru the Constitutional Defense BS. Even Bob himself didn't use it. He and his wife signed numerous service agreements witrh CPS. He actually berates any legal argument, come to think of it. I berate any legal argument? That's quite a broad brush you're using, Greg. Prove it! He urges the quicker more expedient solution to get the kids home. Can you guess what that is? Beat CPS to the punch!!! Another one of my favorites is that Dan has asserted how easy it is to get a CPS Service Plan corrected when it's wrong. To hear LIT and him tell it, all a family has to do is ask the caseworker and they instantly change the service plan. Hell, It took years and some really embarassing court pleadings to get the agency to drop the ""Vocational Rehab"" item even though the item was totally impossible since they knew I had no disability. After I called the Vocational Rehab agency I think Iowa DHS got a rather embarassing message from the Department Of Vocational Rehab. That and a taunting, embarassing pleading got them to remove this totally IMPOSSIBLE service. They wanted you to get a job, Greg. Caseworker input into the psych eval said that I ""perceived myself"" to be an assault victim. Didn't the little girl's grandfather punch you in the face after he found out you locked her out of her own home in February with no shoes, socks or coat? Investigation of this ""pathology"" was dropped after the attacker plead GUILTY and spent a night in jail. I'd like to buy the guy a drink. We had one caseworker so ****y she stood in the courthouse hallway wringing her fists like Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros. She's the one who perjured herself about me sending her a threatening e-mail. (Proving malicious intent, by the way.) The ""e-mail"" lie was so lame the Judge rolled his eyes, knowing full well she lied on the witness stand. Were you in the courtroom, Greg? Did you ask the Judge to have her arrested for perjury? Greg, if you and your Family Rights friends have all the best answers, tactics and strategy, why hasn't the girl been returned to her mother? |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message oups.com... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines. |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
"0:-]" wrote in message news On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:44:31 GMT, " krp" wrote: My post where I gave bad advice, if you don't mind. Thanks. But thinking about your advice to just blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. If you are guilty it is one strategy, yes. I would never suggest one blindly cooperate, krp. For instance I would not suggest you agree that you abused your child if you had not. So if you are innocent one should just TRUST - CPS... RIGHT KANE! No whackos in CPS are there? |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
On Jun 28, 7:39 pm, " krp" wrote:
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message oups.com... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines. I don't care if you believe it or not. I know it to be true, because I ran my cases thru him and he filled in a lot of information as to the way CPS CWs think, and what really needed to be accomplished to get children reunited with to their parents. Dozens of kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude for the fact they're out of fostercare. |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sitsin jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 28, 7:39 pm, " krp" wrote: "Dan Sullivan" wrote in message oups.com... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines. I don't care if you believe it or not. I know it to be true, because I ran my cases thru him and he filled in a lot of information as to the way CPS CWs think, and what really needed to be accomplished to get children reunited with to their parents. Dozens of kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude for the fact they're out of fostercare. Yup - along with the dozens he spammed to butt****ers on usenet -- or all the innocent spankers he has persecuted and destroyed. I'm sure there are HUNDREDS of children who would like show Don/Kane/d'geezer their 'gratitude'. lol. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message oups.com... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines. I don't care if you believe it or not. And I don't give a flying **** what YOU believe Dan. |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sitsin jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 28, 7:39 pm, " krp" wrote: "Dan Sullivan" wrote in message oups.com... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines. I don't care if you believe it or not. Check and mate, dummy. I doubt he cares if you care. Is that too complex for you? I know it to be true, because I ran my cases thru him and he filled in a lot of information as to the way CPS CWs think, and what really needed to be accomplished to get children reunited with to their parents. Dozens of kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude for the fact they're out of fostercare. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
" krp" wrote in message news:XYOgi.2490$s%.1011@trnddc02... "Ron" wrote in message ... Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per 100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a bunch of social workers. Still waiting on an answer fx. Why do you continue to knowingly post false information with each of your posts? Perhaps if you wish to complain about the "false information" you could post proof that it is false? You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es them off Greg. To a point you are correct kenny. It does tend to irritate me a bit, but then again these "suggestions" are lies, proven to be lies, and everyone should object to that. Why don't you? Why do you continue to support points of view that have been proven to be false time and again kenny? don't it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with the CPS system. My views are supported by fact kenny. Verifiable, posted, fact. fx and gregg cannot claim the same. And if they were to it is quite easy to point out the errors in their theories with the facts. No Ron your views are supported by bull**** you and the CPS people CALL facts. If you have an alternate set of facts, facts that can be verified, I'll look them over kenny. Until that happens I'll use the data that is available. You can call what I have BS if you like, but at least it can be verified and viewed by anyone with an internet connection. Lots of **** is "posted"" Ron and it is bull****. To me the true test is challenging those "facts" where the evidence supporting both sides is put to the test of credibility. I can relate to that. Unfortunately your track record in this area is totally abysmal. Your credibility as well is completely in the crapper. So, raise both and maybe, just maybe, someone will take you seriously kenny. In a court where BULL**** you read in "POSTS" doesn't cut it. Where purse **** like your pal's claims of EXPERTISE on Cuba would get him yanked off the witness stand by the bailiff. Interesting. What I put in posts is verifiable kenny. Completely available to anyone. Good in any court in the land. Documented, validated, official. I cant speak for others, but I do know that you have a real long track record here of taking other people's statements completely out of context and applying your own meaning to them. A REAL long track record. This, more than anything else, is what has trashed your credibility in this news group. And you have done it to yourself. Personally, I find that very funny. Your "perspective" of what happens in a court room is a bit .... different, from what you have posted to date. I have spent quite a bit of time in court rooms in my life. When one is a Law Enforcement Officer it comes with the job. I have also spent quite some time in civil courts, due to my more than 15 years as a foster parent and numerous adoptions. Yeah, I'd say that your perspective is unlike any other I have ever heard of. Hmmm, given the above I'd be willing to bet that I have more court room time than you do. Ron |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits in jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
On Jun 28, 5:04 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 28, 4:25 pm, Greegor wrote: Kane wrote 'Fraid not. I think they would not be terribly happy with my helping folks as I do. Why would they care how many butt buddies and sock puppets you PRETEND you helped? krp wrote Which is why you attack anyone standing up for the wrongly accused. Kane wrote You mean like Greg? Greg Hansen who advised a women who had just recovered her children from CPS to, in another case, step right up with the evidence she had broken the two party recording law in her state to challenge this "unfair law," and risk being charged with a crime, possibly arrested, and possibly end up in jail...with CPS coming for her children again? That "anyone," krp? You're talking about ""lostintranslation"" Kim Olson of CT "lazyvegan"? She of the mysterious 20 second audio clip with her name in it? What's mysterious about it? Famous for addressing lawmakers on election day? You can't talk to lawmakers on election day? Where DOES she work anyway? Conneticut, I believe. Kane wrote The same Greg that attaches like a blood sucking leech to anyone coming here to seek advice and information, and tries to get them to follow HIS example....one of SIX PLUS YEARS of having sabotaged his girlfriends attempts to have her child returned from state custody? That 'anyone,' krp? Should I NAME the public defenders who failed to afford their client a VIGOROUS defense? Please do. Who fought like limp dishrags? Who "sold out" the family? Who urged the "stipulation scam" and promised to protect against a bad service plan and then when they saw the plan later, promptly WITHDREW? Did you really think we shunned legal counsel and started PRO SE pleadings right off the bat? Wasn't it only a couple of weeks and then you decided to fight CPS over every issue large or small? Finding a public defender who is not a complete stooge for the DHS plan is very hard. Even finding a PAID attorney who will afford parents a VIGOROUS REPRESENTATION against CPS (The State) is extremely difficult. How much have YOU personally spent on attny's fees since the little girl was removed? Read his "pleading," and his House Ways and Means Committee Hearing testimony, krp. And with a straight face say the same thing...pointing out in his rambling self aggrandizement exactly what you think I am attacking him for that should NOT be attacked as a sure fire way to LOSE A CASE WITH CPS. As opposed to "winning through surrender" I suppose. Doing services to please the agency before they even have the legal right to dictate such stuff, right? To get the children back BEFORE CPS can get the Judge to Order a six month removal! That's not a good thing, Greg? Come on, master Debater. Let's do another "sociopathy" lie from you. I'll kick your sorry ass just as I did then. Delusions of grandeur! Do you think ANYONE, even Greg, fell for your feeble dodge that I had to agree I was wrong when your charge of what I said or didn't say was a flat out LIE? What what what? Too much run on sentence RAVING. To Kane truth is a thin veneer to wrap his lies in. Get with the program krp. No one here is blind, or stupid, as you'd wish them to be. Are you reading a job ad for CPS worker prerequisites? You left out obsessive, deluded and incompetent. And anyone that WOULD fall for your bull**** is either one or the other or both, or a liar such as you. Because you said so, right? On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, " krp" wrote: "0:-]" wrote in message .. . Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Do you have some examples, that you can provide a LINK to, krp, where I have given advice that would be suicide? LINK Kane? No didn't save it. But thinking about your advice to just blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. (Performance agreements, etc.) Which is tacit agreement to surrender legal JURISDICTION to them to run your family . BAD BAD BAD legal advice Kane. They should always seek out legal counsel and NOT you! By the way, krp, THAT is Dan's advice, merely ECHOED by Kane. Kane has admitted to ""infiltrating"" Family Rights groups. Dan got caught doing it and ejected. They have BOTH badmouthed Family Rights groups in general. They claim they are superior. The last time Dan infiltrated a group he had already been kicked out of, he lasted mere weeks because he just had to vent his spleen about his ""concerns"" with the Constitutional Defense. That wasn't me. Obviously it was simply someone else who saw thru the Constitutional Defense BS. Even Bob himself didn't use it. He and his wife signed numerous service agreements witrh CPS. He actually berates any legal argument, come to think of it. I berate any legal argument? That's quite a broad brush you're using, Greg. Prove it! He urges the quicker more expedient solution to get the kids home. Can you guess what that is? Beat CPS to the punch!!! Another one of my favorites is that Dan has asserted how easy it is to get a CPS Service Plan corrected when it's wrong. To hear LIT and him tell it, all a family has to do is ask the caseworker and they instantly change the service plan. Hell, It took years and some really embarassing court pleadings to get the agency to drop the ""Vocational Rehab"" item even though the item was totally impossible since they knew I had no disability. After I called the Vocational Rehab agency I think Iowa DHS got a rather embarassing message from the Department Of Vocational Rehab. That and a taunting, embarassing pleading got them to remove this totally IMPOSSIBLE service. They wanted you to get a job, Greg. Caseworker input into the psych eval said that I ""perceived myself"" to be an assault victim. Didn't the little girl's grandfather punch you in the face after he found out you locked her out of her own home in February with no shoes, socks or coat? Investigation of this ""pathology"" was dropped after the attacker plead GUILTY and spent a night in jail. I'd like to buy the guy a drink. We had one caseworker so ****y she stood in the courthouse hallway wringing her fists like Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros. She's the one who perjured herself about me sending her a threatening e-mail. (Proving malicious intent, by the way.) The ""e-mail"" lie was so lame the Judge rolled his eyes, knowing full well she lied on the witness stand. Were you in the courtroom, Greg? I was the one cross examining her. Did you ask the Judge to have her arrested for perjury? The Judge should have done that. Greg, if you and your Family Rights friends have all the best answers, tactics and strategy, why hasn't the girl been returned to her mother? We follow all of your advice Dan! We pucker up and kiss caseworker ass as fast as we can! What ELSE do you suggest we do? |
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$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sitsin jail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....
0:-] wrote:
Aw, now wasn't this sweet of you to drive the point home. I'm a bit shocked though that you managed to strip my name out as author. From and including to "Check and mate, dummy." that's my commentary." Are you having trouble keeping track? No, your ad hom was equally applicable to Dan, so I saved myself some typing time. yawn 0:] On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:59:13 -0400, Chas wrote: Dan Sullivan wrote: On Jun 28, 7:39 pm, " krp" wrote: "Dan Sullivan" wrote in message oups.com... Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE. Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's advice. Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines. I don't care if you believe it or not. Check and mate, dummy. I doubt he cares if you care. Is that too complex for you? I know it to be true, because I ran my cases thru him and he filled in a lot of information as to the way CPS CWs think, and what really needed to be accomplished to get children reunited with to their parents. Dozens of kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude for the fact they're out of fostercare. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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