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I love dogs....I love children
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Carlson LaVonne wrote:
Doan wrote: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Carlson LaVonne wrote: Doan wrote: On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Carlson LaVonne wrote: Doan wrote: First, so much for the claim that I am on your killfile! ;-) You may not understand how a killfile works. One can take an individual off a killfile and put the individual back on a killfile. I temporarily removed yoiur name from my killfile, LOL! How convenient! Yes, it is. It's unfortunate that you didn't understand how a killfile works. If I am on your killfile, you wouldn't have seen my post! Of course I would have, if I had removed the block. I removed the block. I saw your post. Including all the posts when you had me in your killfile??? ;-) Second, my reading comprehension is fine. You said that your parents spanked you when you were a child, did you not? Where did I say that? So now you're claiming that you were never spanked??? I didn't claim anything about my childhood. I'm asking you about your claim above that I will quote "You said that your parents spanked you when you were a child, did you not?" Shall I repost from the archive? ;-) Please do. Here is just one: "Did my father refrain from hitting me? What in the world are you talking about? There was no effort like this when I was growing up. In the 1950's there was very little protection for children. As a result of public outcry against hitting and hurting little children in the name of discipline, even norms in the US are changing. Children are very slowly being viewed as humans who do not deserve to be hit in the name of discipline. My father and I are very close. We have worked this out, and he has apologized on numerous occasions. He's even talked to one of my brothers about how he is parenting (yes, this one hits his kids). Attitudes can change, doan, and they are changing as I write. There will come a time in this country when you can no longer raise your hand and hit the body of your little child in the name of discipline." LIAR! ;-) If that is the case, then you can certainly response if you feel that your parents treated you worse than a dog. For that it what your post seem to imply about spanking parents. I don't know how to "certainly response" to something. Perhaps you understand the phrase better than I. Certainly! ;-) If suspect you made a typo here, but I don't know why I would "certainly response" or certainly respond. I made no claim regarding my parents and my childhood that needs a response or a respond. You are the individual that made that claim, and you know nothing of my childhood. Only what you posted on this newsgroup. ;-) Let's see it, doan. Want more? How about you had to be muffled so that you won't cry? Third, as for the reseach, you claimed to have posted "numerous times" research where the non-cp alternatives are better than spanking under the same circumstances. Here is your chance to prove that you are not a liar. I posted citations from Gershoff, Baumrind & Larzelere where they said they can't find such thing. Either you put up or shut up! I have been on this ng since 1995. If you want the research, go find it. It is in the archives. LOL! Once a liar always a liar. Where is the lie? I haven't been on the ng since 1995? I haven't posted research? There is no such thing as an archive? Perhaps you could explain to the rest of us what lie you are accusing me of this time. The lie is your claim to have posted "numerous times" studies that showed non-cp alternatives are better than spanking, under the same statistical analysi. THERE IS NONE! Gershoff can't find any: You apparently consider yourself good with archives. Go dig up my posts. I did! "Baumrind et al. (2002) cited several studies that have found corporal punishment to be less associated with negative outcomes than are other discipline techniques. Although this may be true, just because other techniques are worse than corporal punishment does not make corporal punishment any better. Until positive effects are linked with corporal punishment, it should not be routinely recommended as a method of controlling children. However, it is important to note that their argument does point to the need for similar research on all methods of parental discipline, not just corporal punishment." Yes, Baumrind said this. LIAR! However, this has absolutely nothing to do with my claim to have posted numerous times, studies that showed non-cp alternatives are better than sapnking. I'm not debating Baumrind or Gershoff. I'm debating the statement you are making that I am a liar for stating that I have posted studies showiong non-cp alternatives are better than spanking. You consider your self good with archives. Go to the archives of the past ten years. Baumrind and Gershoff can't find such studies and you have? STOP LYING!!! You have misrepreseated research from the time you arrived here. Back in the kill file you go. LaVonne What is "misrepreseated"? And is this a permanetn killfile or just "temporary"? ;-) Yes, typos happen, don't they? You have misrepresented research from the time you arrived here. And my killfile is temporary. Could you explain a permanent killfile that cannot be changed by the computer owner and administrator? LaVonne I thought I am back in your killfile? DO YOU KNOW WHAT A KILLFILE IS? ;-) Yes, I do. I left your posts open because you were only engaging in misrepresentation and not disrespect. When your posts become disrespectful, I simply put you back in my killfile and block your posts. I don't deal with disrespect and name calling. LOL! You just said "back in the kill file you go". Is that a lie too? ;-) You are already engaging in name-calling and disrespectful behavior. However, because of your claims regarding archives, I thought I'd wait to put you back in the killfile and see if you can respond with the information -- from the archives -- that you claim you have. I did! Perhaps you were spanked as a child and didn't learn respect because you were not respected in your formative years. Same can be said about you. ;-) So did you feel that your father treated you worse than a dog when he spanked you? Doan LaVonne Doan Doan Doan On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Carlson LaVonne wrote: Doan, I assume you are a literate person with reading comprehension skills. Where in my email did I say anything about my parents? As you so often do, you totally missed the point of the posing. I skimmed your posting history, and it appears that you actually may experience difficulties with reading comprehension. So often your responses have nothing to do with the posts to which you attempt to be responding. Your posts regarding research are so far from the actual research results that I again question your ability to comprehend written language. This is nothing cause shame. Many intelligent adults experience similar difficulties. Often these adults were not diagnosed and experienced no intervention when they were children. If you feel you have a learning disability (a reading comprehension difficulty falls in this category) there are places to go for help. LaVonne Doan wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Carlson LaVonne wrote: I keep wondering why people insist on hitting, hurting, and shaming children in the name of discipline. Children have so much more cognitive potential that dogs. Yet we provide dogs more protection that children, and it is so much easier for some individuals to raise and train a dog in an effective and humane way that it is for these same individuals to positively parent a human child. So you feel that your parents treated you worse than a dog??? Doan |
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What I see here is the frantic self protection of a child that was
beaten by his parents. Now he has to justify by attacking others, and protect himself against the truth...that he deserved the parenting he got. The difference between you and LaVonne is that she woke up to the truth, and apparently even confronted her father. She is twice the human being you are, probably more, monkeyboy. Your parents did this to you, and you let them, and keep the fantasy going that you are alright, when it's very apparent by this attack just how vicious and cruel you are. I feel very sorry for you. On the other hand, as I used to say to all the mentally ill boys I worked with that were themselves victims of the same abuse you suffered, 'the job of healing is yours, regardless of what was done to you.' You've refused to heal. How very sad. Kane |
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