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something I can't really understand...
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say 18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage??? Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc??? I'm just wondering since they all claim that the cost of child support is NEVER enough to cover the additional cost of raising a child...then you would think they lose their house, get their electricity shut down or kick out their kid and all of a sudden, their bills are reduced by 1K (or whatever the CS amount is) so they can continue their lives? |
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something I can't really understand...
"whatamess" wrote in message oups.com... Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc... A CP's personal living expenses would be the same regardless if they had a child living in the house or not. |
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something I can't really understand...
"whatamess" wrote Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say 18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage??? Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc??? == My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent salary of her own as a college instructor. Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him out--said she couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He was only in 10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here and went on to state university (here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have no idea how his mother is doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing (years ago) that she was going to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to increase the CS for the remaining child to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-) |
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"Gini" wrote in message news:T_33i.7514$4a1.5640@trndny07... "whatamess" wrote Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say 18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage??? Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc??? == My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent salary of her own as a college instructor. Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him out--said she couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He was only in 10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here and went on to state university (here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have no idea how his mother is doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing (years ago) that she was going to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to increase the CS for the remaining child to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-) This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a legal adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can the court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if the child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still have to pay money to the mother? |
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something I can't really understand...
On May 17, 11:10 pm, "Chris" wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message news:T_33i.7514$4a1.5640@trndny07... "whatamess" wrote Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say 18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage??? Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc??? == My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent salary of her own as a college instructor. Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him out--said she couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He was only in 10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here and went on to state university (here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have no idea how his mother is doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing (years ago) that she was going to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to increase the CS for the remaining child to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-) This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a legal adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can the court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if the child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still have to pay money to the mother? - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable to me...hehe... OK, let's say actually that the same CP who kicks out the 18 yr. old sates they have to leave because they cannot afford them in their house...so 18 yr. old goes to NCP house... Then, NCP decides to take the CP to court to ask for child support because the child decides to go to school, therefore, the NCP will pay for college and just needs the CP to pay CS...hmmmm...DO YOU THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL CP WOULD ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY NO AND CLAIM THE 18YR OLD IS NOW AN ADULT? hehe...OR WOULD THEY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THERE NOT BEING ANY INCREMENTAL COST BECAUSE THE NCP DIDN"T HAVE TO BUY A NEW HOUSE, blah, blah...hmmm... |
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"whatamess" wrote in message oups.com... On May 17, 11:10 pm, "Chris" wrote: "Gini" wrote in message news:T_33i.7514$4a1.5640@trndny07... "whatamess" wrote Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say 18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage??? Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc??? == My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent salary of her own as a college instructor. Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him out--said she couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He was only in 10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here and went on to state university (here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have no idea how his mother is doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing (years ago) that she was going to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to increase the CS for the remaining child to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-) This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a legal adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can the court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if the child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still have to pay money to the mother? - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable to me...hehe... OK, let's say actually that the same CP who kicks out the 18 yr. old sates they have to leave because they cannot afford them in their house...so 18 yr. old goes to NCP house... Then, NCP decides to take the CP to court to ask for child support because the child decides to go to school, therefore, the NCP will pay for college and just needs the CP to pay CS...hmmmm...DO YOU THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL CP WOULD ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY NO AND CLAIM THE 18YR OLD IS NOW AN ADULT? hehe...OR WOULD THEY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THERE NOT BEING ANY INCREMENTAL COST BECAUSE THE NCP DIDN"T HAVE TO BUY A NEW HOUSE, blah, blah...hmmm... Can you get a CS order if the "child" is already 18, and there was not an order before? Doesn't the original order have to be in place before the "child" reaches the age of majority? |
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On May 18, 12:42 am, "teachrmama" wrote:
"whatamess" wrote in message oups.com... On May 17, 11:10 pm, "Chris" wrote: "Gini" wrote in message news:T_33i.7514$4a1.5640@trndny07... "whatamess" wrote Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say 18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage??? Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc??? == My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent salary of her own as a college instructor. Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him out--said she couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He was only in 10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here and went on to state university (here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have no idea how his mother is doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing (years ago) that she was going to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to increase the CS for the remaining child to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-) This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a legal adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can the court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if the child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still have to pay money to the mother? - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable to me...hehe... OK, let's say actually that the same CP who kicks out the 18 yr. old sates they have to leave because they cannot afford them in their house...so 18 yr. old goes to NCP house... Then, NCP decides to take the CP to court to ask for child support because the child decides to go to school, therefore, the NCP will pay for college and just needs the CP to pay CS...hmmmm...DO YOU THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL CP WOULD ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY NO AND CLAIM THE 18YR OLD IS NOW AN ADULT? hehe...OR WOULD THEY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THERE NOT BEING ANY INCREMENTAL COST BECAUSE THE NCP DIDN"T HAVE TO BUY A NEW HOUSE, blah, blah...hmmm... Can you get a CS order if the "child" is already 18, and there was not an order before? Doesn't the original order have to be in place before the "child" reaches the age of majority?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, then I guess the original NCP would be out of luck? So what about a state that requires CS through age 21??? At 18 the child could leave the house to go to NCP and then because there wasn't an order from the NCP BEFORE age of majority NCP would not be entitled to CS? Even worse...makes me wonder... PS - I'm just throwing out crazy stuff that could really happen...I don't know the law beyond the age of 18... |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "whatamess" wrote in message oups.com... On May 17, 11:10 pm, "Chris" wrote: "Gini" wrote in message news:T_33i.7514$4a1.5640@trndny07... "whatamess" wrote Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say 18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage??? Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc??? == My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent salary of her own as a college instructor. Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him out--said she couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He was only in 10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here and went on to state university (here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have no idea how his mother is doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing (years ago) that she was going to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to increase the CS for the remaining child to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-) This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a legal adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can the court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if the child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still have to pay money to the mother? - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable to me...hehe... OK, let's say actually that the same CP who kicks out the 18 yr. old sates they have to leave because they cannot afford them in their house...so 18 yr. old goes to NCP house... Then, NCP decides to take the CP to court to ask for child support because the child decides to go to school, therefore, the NCP will pay for college and just needs the CP to pay CS...hmmmm...DO YOU THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL CP WOULD ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY NO AND CLAIM THE 18YR OLD IS NOW AN ADULT? hehe...OR WOULD THEY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THERE NOT BEING ANY INCREMENTAL COST BECAUSE THE NCP DIDN"T HAVE TO BUY A NEW HOUSE, blah, blah...hmmm... Can you get a CS order if the "child" is already 18, and there was not an order before? Doesn't the original order have to be in place before the "child" reaches the age of majority? The state of Oregon changes this adult child attending school CS law about as often as I change my underwear. Under prior law a CS order extending CS beyond age 18 ended when an adult child stopped going to college. Under current law a CS order can be reinstated if a child re-enrolls in college before they reach age 21. The problem with this law is the child has to ask to legally join the CS case in order to force the CP to pay college support too. Otherwise, only the NCP can be ordered to pay college support. The child has to hire an attorney to get the CP to be ordered to pay CS just like the NCP. And if they don't, any arrearage CS goes to the CP not the child as the law allows. So NCP's must stay current on CS payments for college age children or the CS money defaults to the CP. These CS laws providing CS for college students are so filled with exceptions and caveats it's difficult to keep up with them. |
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On May 17, 2:54�pm, whatamess wrote:
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say 18? *Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no longer pay the original amount? *Or maybe the electric company, the mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage??? Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check comes in? *Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc??? I'm just wondering since they all claim that the cost of child support is NEVER enough to cover the additional cost of raising a child...then you would think they lose their house, get their electricity shut down or kick out their kid and all of a sudden, their bills are reduced by 1K (or whatever the CS amount is) so they can continue their lives? It's one of those mysteries that are never solved. Kind of like "is the universe finite" or "does God exist". I would think we will know indeed whether God does really exist before we know the answer to YOUR question. God is the more logical of the two. |
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something I can't really understand...
"whatamess" wrote in message oups.com... Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say 18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage??? Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc??? I'm just wondering since they all claim that the cost of child support is NEVER enough to cover the additional cost of raising a child...then you would think they lose their house, get their electricity shut down or kick out their kid and all of a sudden, their bills are reduced by 1K (or whatever the CS amount is) so they can continue their lives? CS is based on child rearing expenditure models within an intact family. One of the "big lies" associated with CS is CP's believe it costs more to raise those children in a single parent household so they complain the CS money is not enough. The problem is too many CP's overspend on their own personal lifestyles while the CS is pouring in and they blame the children turning 18 for their reversal of fortune. This, for me, is one of the saddest outcomes of huge CS awards and the failure of CP's to understand their financial realities. |
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