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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:14:07 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On 24 Nov 2003 19:58:43 GMT, Ignoramus3100 wrote: Then that somehow makes slavery right??? We are doing them a favor, right? It does not make slavery wrong, but the present generation blacks in the US benefited from their forefathers being imported. Who suffered is their forefathers and not the descendants. A not particularly politically correct question.... That's okay...we don't stand on ceremony. If Whites Whites don't owe. All those that profit by the labors of millions of slaves owe. owe black descendants of slaves reparations... Many blacks will not participate in the outpay, but will in the taxes to make them. Blacks too have profited, some of them, but their own ancestors contributions to this nation. I wonder if we can get a refund on all the Welfare and entitlement payments we have given them? Nope. Most that are in that state of poverty wouldn't be there without the help of the controlling majority. What society pays for is maintainence of a cheap labor pool. It just happens that one of the largest at present, and for a considerable time historically, has been black. Or do we credit them the balance? When agreed amount of reparation money is set..can we compare it with those monies already paid? Nope. That was rent payments for the use of their ancestors labors and production. Or lease, if you like. Or consumption of. And whom owes whom more? Those with owe those without. Not too difficult a question really. Been in any REAL ghettos lately? What is needed goes beyond simply money. It has to be addressed at the damage done. Many black people came out of the experience of slavery just fine. Some were more injured and haven't really recoved. That was explained to me by a young black women...obviously with the mentallity of a genius if she hadn't discovered it yet. In 1991 she and I were discussing reparations (yep, been around for quite some time now) and she wanted a major focus on psychological services for healing and recovery. Seems to make sense to me. Many people that are in a shooting war come out with memories of things that are disabling. And a few hundred years of it generation after generation would, I think, cause some disabilities to be planted. Gunner When you go to visit the ghetto, as I suggested, you certainly should carry. I can't really guess what you might run into. And I'm not going to rely myself on the extraordinary patience ordinary black people have shown for so long. I mean, after all, some of them are actually like you and I...r r r r I don't think Bakersfield has a respectable sized one. Try Pheonix. Hey, better and closer, try South Sacramento....it's a pip. "The British attitude is to treat society like a game preserve where a certain percentage of the 'antelope' are expected to be eaten by the "lions". Christopher Morton Say, did Chris ever out himself one way or another? I always loved how he drove the anti gun loons out of their tiny little heads about his race one way or another. What's your bet? I say he's black. You? Swing low, sweet chariot......... Kane |
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Now here's a pip...
Something of bobb's no doubt. see my reply intersperced..... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Immigration Alert: Benefits Plan For Illegal Aliens? ************************************************* * *** Please Forward, and sign the petition to *** stop immigration now! *** http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org ************************************************* * Benefits Plan For Illegal Aliens? Hi, As hard as it is to believe, Hey, I can believe just about anything. I read email and post to the Web. included in the massive prescription drug benefit plan currently being debated by the Senate is a provision that would provide ONE BILLION DOLLARS of our federal taxes to pay for the cost of healthcare provided to illegal aliens in our border states (almost 100% along the Mexican border). Yah mean if I want to go down to the border I'm going to have to hang around a bunch of sick Mexicans? That's going to smart. Whatever your opinion about the prescription drug benefit plan in general, you must call your senators as soon as possible and let them know what you think about this. Demand that they remove this funding for illegal aliens! And allow a disease pool to build up to flow out to the rest of the nation? America should not be paying the healthcare costs of foreign nations. I don't get how Mexicans living on the US side or working in the US create a valid cost for a foreign nation..such as Mexico. Are those Mexicans working in the US? Are they paying taxes in the US? Then they have a right to the same services that everyone else that lives and works here get. I can think of a long list of people who should FIRST get this money (or keep this money), all of them American citizens. I only know one. His name is bobb. He should get his first just to pay him off so he'll have some dinero to go back to school. No tiene dinaro, loco Si. ************************************************* * What you can do ************************************************* * Call your rep, senators, and president. Let your voice be heard on immigration! Gov Contact Info: Whitehouse comments: 202-456-1111 http://www.senate.gov/ http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html ************************************************* * Correction ************************************************* * In the last action alert, we announced that Senator Kyl from Arizona was in favor of the agricultural guestworker program. Fortunately he is not. Oh, these Mexican's aren't just indigent touristas then. They come here and work, earn their pay too I've heard. I would not work all day in the hot sun in conditions they do for anything. I'm a lazy ass white American. You can call him and thank him for being opposed to the guestworker program, which is in fact a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens. If all the illigal aliens being ****ed about quite right now and all walked, swam, paddled, flew, back home to their contry of origin the economy of this nation would grind screechingly to a halt. Unfortunately, Senator Kyl does support Orrin Hatch's bill to provide in-state tuition rates for illegal alien college students, which also includes an amnesty provision. So you can ask him to not support in-state tuition while you have his assistant on the line. Damn. First thing yah know those furriners will be catchin' on and gettin' ideas. Spoiling a good thing for lazy ass white americans that can use them against other white americans to divert those other white americans from catchin' on to how EVERYONE IS GETTIN' SCREWED, BLACK WHITE RED YELLOW AND BROWN the "the man" with the money. Also be sure to ask him to remove healthcare funding for illegal aliens in the prescription drug benefit plan! Watch the drug companies squeal....eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... Kyl: (202) 224-4521 | (602) 840-1891 | (520) 575-8633 ************************************************* * Some Free Market Hope ************************************************* * We don't just have power as free citizens or as voters. We also have power as consumers. Now that Dell has changed it's offshoring policy, I suggest we call other companies that have been famous for offshoring jobs to India. Off the top of my head American Express comes to mind. Remember, whenever you are called you can ask what country they are calling from. They have to tell you! http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org/news.html Now there IS a good idea. And while you are at it ask to have the trade sanctions lifted on all those foreign nations. That diplomacy by economic threat thing is getting a bit out of hand. ************************************************* * Other Good News ************************************************* * After a tremendous amount of work from activists all over the country, congress UNANIMOUSLY passed the workplace verification program - and expanded it to all 50 states. President Bush is expected to sign the bill. You can of course encourage/thank him: (202) 456-1111 or 456-1414 I'm for it. And a living wage too. Now watch white america catch on to the truth. Someone still has to dip sewers, crop the tomatos, sweep, mop, etc...and for a decent wage. And who knows how and is willing? R R R R R The tide is turning. Let's make it a tidal wave! You betcha. Let's hear it for WHITE POWER!!!....OPPS! 'Scuse please, wrong group. Can someone show me to the talk.nazis.are.us newsgroup? Greg ************************************************* * What Tom Tancredo has to say about this ************************************************* * Tancredo Balks At Billion Dollar Boon For Illegal Aliens "If you build an illegal alien entitlement program, they will come" WASHINGTON, D.C. - Congressman Tom Tancredo (CO-06) was shocked at the conference report to H.R. 1, or what he calls the Patients Bill of Rights for Illegal Immigrants, an expanded version of an ill-advised, little noticed provision included in the Senate passed version of the bill. "Congress has been scraping to find an additional $1 billion for veterans health care, but doesn't blink when it comes to providing $1 billion in entitlements to illegal immigrants," said Tancredo, chairman of the Immigration Reform Caucus. "Writers of this Medicare bill have apparently never seen the movie Field of Dreams - if you build an illegal alien entitlement program, they will come." The provision - which now encompasses six pages in the conference report - provides $1 billion to reimburse hospitals for health care costs associated with treating illegal aliens. The provision has also been expanded to include the health care costs of aliens who have been temporarily paroled into the U.S., and even Mexican citizens who enter the country for 72 hours using a border crossing card. The three-term representative from Littleton, Colorado continued with, "While I do not dispute assertions about the financial hardships that mandatory care presents for hospitals and health care providers, I remain concerned that these funds will be flowing to providers in states that actively aid and abet illegal immigration." "Many of the states that will benefit from this provision have made themselves magnets for illegal immigration by enacting ill-advised policies that permit illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, attend higher education for in-state rates, and obtain public services through the use of consular ID cards. These policies create incentives for illegal immigration and drive the need for these emergency health care reimbursements - reimbursements that would be underwritten by the American taxpayer if this bill becomes law. This provision makes a bad bill even worse." ************************************************* * Be glad we have Tom Tancredo working for us in congress. ************************************************* * *** Please Forward, and sign the petition to *** stop immigration now! *** http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org ************************************************* * Hell, if I was a working illegal alien I'd stop paying taxes and dump a little tea in the harbor. The big problem with illegal aliens is that they want to become legals and wouldn't you know it, they want education, an increase in pay, and not having to work in conditions that would kill a boar hog. Who the hell do they think they are undermining the highly lucrative sweatshop economy? Well, I never....hmpphhh. Kane |
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Greg wrote
Where'd you take your economics Commander McBrag? Kane wrote ...did you take your economics the same place you took your legal "motion" writing courses? Firstly it was a cooperative effort, I just helped. I never BRAGGED of any superior ability to write motions. I do believe that you obtained your economics in the same place, which makes you just the puffed up weasel one would expect for Commander McBrag. Quite. I see that you have started your own little race war in completely the WRONG place. It suits you, Commander. Every Commander McBrag needs their Boer War. Tally Ho. |
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"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Greg wrote Where'd you take your economics Commander McBrag? Kane wrote ...did you take your economics the same place you took your legal "motion" writing courses? Firstly it was a cooperative effort, I just helped. Yeah, you helped destroy any chance of reunification. The mother's as freakin dumb as you. And the little girl is in the best place she could be. I never BRAGGED of any superior ability to write motions. Yes, that would be wrong. And after being on this NG for over a year you failed to ask for any advice on the Motion until AFTER you filed it in Court. There were lawyers here, CPS workers, people who'd beat CPS numerous times... You're the guy who stays up all night studying for a urine test. |
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Tom Enright wrote
Certainly the English share some responsibility for their suffering, but they don't owe me anything. It seems like the biggest wish was that the Brits would just plain LEAVE, but they also made that problematic because of loyalists and cronies. The corrupt ""legal"" system is a study in terror. The Irish Potato Famine was a political ploy. There was no "famine" other than by political manipulation by the British. Political ploy? More like a grand FRAUD, seeking helpful donations for the ""famine"" from around the world, and directing them all to England. Political Manipulation? MORE like genocidal WARFARE. The Brits took every foodstuff and product they could, AT GUNPOINT, throughout the country. They located ships at ports all around the country and did the complete vampire thing to feed England. British goals of starving massive numbers of Irish was written down in documents. "Holocaust" is not an exaggeration. You were conned and you ate it. I'm not sure. He looked like he did blame the Brits but just didn't want to go into this kind of depth in a thread about a different subject, Kane. Clearly, Tom's made the point well that he does not feel owed reparations for wrongs to his ancestors. What if he was half Brit and Half Eire? Should his Brit half pay his Eire half? WHY is all of this reparations stuff in alt.support.child.protective.services anyway? Kane, Since you are big on reparations are you now declaring your left wing political stripe? Are are you still maintaining the BLUFF that you are politically conservative? Your raging for reparations is a dead giveaway that you are a liberal, even further left than the Dems. But could you take this raging to a place where it belongs? |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:14:15 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On 24 Nov 2003 22:24:19 -0800, (Kane) wrote: Sue wrote in message . .. On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:14:07 GMT, Gunner wrote: snip for clarity....... If Whites owe black descendants of slaves reparations...I wonder if we can get a refund on all the Welfare and entitlement payments we have given them? We certainly should!!! Why Sue? Was the money taken from you by them black citizens using enslavement, murder, rape, and lifelong bondage on your and your family? Sue Kane So are you saying that Sue, or her family, took black slaves, murdered them, raped them and enslaved them? Paraphrasing for clarity is one thing. Reframing another's post for a more defensible argument is another. It has a name. We'll let that go for now. No, I'm saying no one did that to Sue's family, and I asked if she had had some welfare monies taken from her unlawfully or unethically by force. Someone did that to black families and we have all, even the current day's blacks who managed to recover, have benefited by the unpaid labors under such conditions. Why would you twist my words to mean something I didn't say. Please don't rewrite my statements to make them something you can argue against when you can't argue against my statement as it stands. Hummm since one member of my family came here in 1861, fought in the Civil War, on the side of the North, lost a leg and an arm, then married a woman whom came here in 1868. The rest of the family came within the next few years. All long after slavery was abolished. And benefitted from the infrastructure that was built on the backs of black lives and energy that went unpaid for. And even the blacks that were free and their descendents were denied most of those benefits by the institution of racism. So..unless you believe there is some sort of collective White Guilt, I don't. I don't feel the least "guilty" just righteous. Sorry bout that. which would then indicate that you are a frothing racist.. Really? Even if I did feel guilty that would hardly make me a frothing racist. If I was asking for something I didn't feel blacks were owed by simply economics....and theft of their birthright....THEN I would be a racist, possibly. I and my family dont owe anyone ****. That's nice. Then go back to Europe. In fact, my great great uncle Ferd should get retroactive Workmans Comp for the loss of his arm and leg. For a loss of limb during a war? No, that is veteran's compensation issue. Take it up with the VA. Hummm less see..that should be worth about 2 million bucks, doncha think, with interest? Want to run out the interest on 300 years of slavery, unpaid labor for millions of families? Oh...and btw..my family on my fathers side is Irish/Welsh. They got booted off their land and enslaved by the Romans and Normans. So go bitch to them, or don't. That's your choice. I just happen to think that blacks have a bitch HERE. Whom do you suggest I speak with in the Italian Government, or pehaps the Vatican, about reparations? What do you suggest I do about the Normans? Anything you wish to do. I'm not stopping you. Thanks in advance for the links to those responsible for paying for my families pain and suffering. Who is responsible for your families pain and suffering again? And how much bigotry have you and your family suffered since you were emancipated? You lack access to the wealth of this country based on your race? I think you may not have seen my post that suggests how we could go about, equitably making reparations. In the first place a lot of us didn't benefit to the great degree, piddlin' really for us, that some whites did. Those whites today, and those that have, one way or another attached themselves economically, and benefited to the extent of great fortunes they locked up generations ago, the capitol goods that create wealth..natural resources, coal and iron, copper and strategic metals for steel production etc., the plants and machinery of industry, are the one's that should pay. They wouldn't miss a meal or new pair of shoes or a yacht or two. And those that came after that benefited greatly did so usually as new members of that old boys club, Carnegie, Rockerfeller, Morgan, spread the opportunity for wealth were they saw fit and I understand the pointedly left out some races. So, Gunner, neither you or I (though I might just) make enough to be counted among the top 20% of income (not taxable, but rather whole income) earners...they are the ones that should be paying the way as they benefitted the most by the great wealth black slavery, death, and labors created for THEM. But you must have missed my post where I suggested the top 20%. Best wishes for a great Thanksgiving. I thank everyone that contributed to this country, or lost to my benefit and I want them all the have the rich Thanksgiving I'm going to have...whew, just got back from shopping. Kane Gunner "The British attitude is to treat society like a game preserve where a certain percentage of the 'antelope' are expected to be eaten by the "lions". Christopher Morton |
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"bobb" wrote in message link.net...
snip................... So tell me, suckass. Where do you stand on White Reparations to Blacks? Awww... you didn't ask me where I stand on white reparations to blacks, Kane. So sorry. Go ahead. (Be sure and read all my posts on the subject first, if you'll be so kind). bobb Kane snip...................... |
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