More Corporal Punishment Research

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:14:51 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Doan wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:


On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On 2 Jul 2003, Fern5827 wrote:

Lavonne, you probably don't KNOW this, but even academic
libraries cannot
subscribe to a plethora of journals.

Many of the titles are very expensive.

Medline occasionally (very) occasionally publishes
abstracts of some journals.

BTW, Child Abuse and Neglect, which ASFAIK, is funded by my
very SUBSTANTIAL
FEDERAL AND STATE taxes is NOT AVAILABLE ONLINE.

So the only folks debating the content of these articles
would have to had
photocopied THESE PARTICULAR ARTICLES, which may not be
AVAILABLE, except thru
loan, even at large state funded universities.

Doan, I can't believe it. She actually cited some
scholarly articles. I can't
wait for the design of these experiments to be debated.

She bluffed and I called her bluff! Let's see if she
response or will she
give me the deafenning silence? ;-)

Doan

Well, LaVonne, it has been five days already. You said you
read the
research. Are you going to debate against me on the research
studies
you posted???

Doan

Still no response to my post from LaVonne. It has been over a
week
already. I wonder why the deafenning silence! ;-)

Doan

It is now over two weeks and still no response from LaVonne. I
wonder
why she is so afraid to debate me.

Doan
-------------
Nobody's afraid of you, you stupid whore, you're simply tiresome and
non-responsive.
Steve

As Jack Benny used to say, "Now cut that out Rochester" r r r r

Right again, Steve. You are wearing me down, bit by bit.

I could end up on your side one day...r r r r

Kane

On 19 Jul 2003, Kane wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:14:51 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Doan wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:


On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On 2 Jul 2003, Fern5827 wrote:

Lavonne, you probably don't KNOW this, but even academic
libraries cannot
subscribe to a plethora of journals.

Many of the titles are very expensive.

Medline occasionally (very) occasionally publishes
abstracts of some journals.

BTW, Child Abuse and Neglect, which ASFAIK, is funded by my
very SUBSTANTIAL
FEDERAL AND STATE taxes is NOT AVAILABLE ONLINE.

So the only folks debating the content of these articles
would have to had
photocopied THESE PARTICULAR ARTICLES, which may not be
AVAILABLE, except thru
loan, even at large state funded universities.

Doan, I can't believe it. She actually cited some
scholarly articles. I can't
wait for the design of these experiments to be debated.

She bluffed and I called her bluff! Let's see if she
response or will she
give me the deafenning silence? ;-)

Doan

Well, LaVonne, it has been five days already. You said you
read the
research. Are you going to debate against me on the research
studies
you posted???

Doan

Still no response to my post from LaVonne. It has been over a
week
already. I wonder why the deafenning silence! ;-)

Doan

It is now over two weeks and still no response from LaVonne. I
wonder
why she is so afraid to debate me.

Doan
-------------
Nobody's afraid of you, you stupid whore, you're simply tiresome and
non-responsive.
Steve

As Jack Benny used to say, "Now cut that out Rochester" r r r r

Right again, Steve. You are wearing me down, bit by bit.

I could end up on your side one day...r r r r

Kane

It looked like Kane9 smelled Steve's butt and approved! ;-)

Doan

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:


On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On 2 Jul 2003, Fern5827 wrote:

Lavonne, you probably don't KNOW this, but even academic libraries cannot
subscribe to a plethora of journals.

Many of the titles are very expensive.

Medline occasionally (very) occasionally publishes abstracts of some journals.

BTW, Child Abuse and Neglect, which ASFAIK, is funded by my very SUBSTANTIAL
FEDERAL AND STATE taxes is NOT AVAILABLE ONLINE.

So the only folks debating the content of these articles would have to had
photocopied THESE PARTICULAR ARTICLES, which may not be AVAILABLE, except thru
loan, even at large state funded universities.

Doan, I can't believe it. She actually cited some scholarly articles. I can't
wait for the design of these experiments to be debated.

She bluffed and I called her bluff! Let's see if she response or will she
give me the deafenning silence? ;-)

Doan

Well, LaVonne, it has been five days already. You said you read the
research. Are you going to debate against me on the research studies
you posted???

Doan

Still no response to my post from LaVonne. It has been over a week
already. I wonder why the deafenning silence! ;-)

Doan

It is now over two weeks and still no response from LaVonne. I wonder
why she is so afraid to debate me.

Doan

It is now THREE WEEKS and still no response from LaVonne.

Doan

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:


On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Doan wrote:

On 2 Jul 2003, Fern5827 wrote:

Lavonne, you probably don't KNOW this, but even academic libraries cannot
subscribe to a plethora of journals.

Many of the titles are very expensive.

Medline occasionally (very) occasionally publishes abstracts of some journals.

BTW, Child Abuse and Neglect, which ASFAIK, is funded by my very SUBSTANTIAL
FEDERAL AND STATE taxes is NOT AVAILABLE ONLINE.

So the only folks debating the content of these articles would have to had
photocopied THESE PARTICULAR ARTICLES, which may not be AVAILABLE, except thru
loan, even at large state funded universities.

Doan, I can't believe it. She actually cited some scholarly articles. I can't
wait for the design of these experiments to be debated.

She bluffed and I called her bluff! Let's see if she response or will she
give me the deafenning silence? ;-)

Doan

Well, LaVonne, it has been five days already. You said you read the
research. Are you going to debate against me on the research studies
you posted???

Doan

Still no response to my post from LaVonne. It has been over a week
already. I wonder why the deafenning silence! ;-)

Doan

It is now over two weeks and still no response from LaVonne. I wonder
why she is so afraid to debate me.

Doan

It is now over four weeks and still no response from LaVonne. I wonder
why she is so afraid to debate me.

Doan

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Doan wrote:

It is now over four weeks and still no response from LaVonne. I wonder
why she is so afraid to debate me.

Doan
------------
She's ignoring you because you're a lying distorting piece of
rightist trash who won't respond fairly no matter what anyone
says, you stupid ****-****ing piece of lying Filth!1
Steve

Thanks, Steve! Always nice to have you on the other side. ;-)

Doan

LaVonne Carlson wrote:
Below are studies that to my knowledge have not been discussed on
alt.parenting.spanking. I'm assuming there are individuals on this
newsgroup who are still interested in discussing this topic. Read the
studies and let's start a discussion!

Brenner, V., & Fox, R. (1998). Parental discipline and behavior
problems in young children. /Journal of Genetic Psychology, 159/(2),
251-256.

Day, R, Peterson, G., & McCracken, C. (1998) Predicting spanking of
younger and older children by mothers and fathers. /Journal of Marriage
and the family, 60, / 79-94.

Dietz, T., (2002) Disciplining children: Characteristics associated
with the use of corporal punishment. /Child Abuse and Neglect, 24/(2),
1529-1542.

Hashima, P. & Amato, P. (1994). Poverty, social support, and parental
behavior. /Child Development. 65,/ 394-403.

Kanoy, K., Ulku-Steiner, B., Cox, M., & Burchinal, M. (2003). Marital
relationship and individual psychological characteristics that predict
physical punishment of children. /Journal of Family Psychology, 17/(1),
20-28.

LaVonne

But, LaVonne, this cannot be. According to a certain screeching little
monkeyboy you have not posted references to studies on spanking.

Oh well. Must be an illusion.

R R R R R

0:-



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

LaVonne Carlson wrote:
Below are studies that to my knowledge have not been discussed on
alt.parenting.spanking. I'm assuming there are individuals on this
newsgroup who are still interested in discussing this topic. Read the
studies and let's start a discussion!

Brenner, V., & Fox, R. (1998). Parental discipline and behavior
problems in young children. /Journal of Genetic Psychology, 159/(2),
251-256.

Day, R, Peterson, G., & McCracken, C. (1998) Predicting spanking of
younger and older children by mothers and fathers. /Journal of Marriage
and the family, 60, / 79-94.

Dietz, T., (2002) Disciplining children: Characteristics associated
with the use of corporal punishment. /Child Abuse and Neglect, 24/(2),
1529-1542.

Hashima, P. & Amato, P. (1994). Poverty, social support, and parental
behavior. /Child Development. 65,/ 394-403.

Kanoy, K., Ulku-Steiner, B., Cox, M., & Burchinal, M. (2003). Marital
relationship and individual psychological characteristics that predict
physical punishment of children. /Journal of Family Psychology, 17/(1),
20-28.

LaVonne

But, LaVonne, this cannot be. According to a certain screeching little
monkeyboy you have not posted references to studies on spanking.

The pathological liar, aka Kane0, is at it again. He his hoping that
someone will be stupid enough to believe him. Now everyone here knows
that I have been asking for studies that compare spanking and non-cp
alternatives under the same condition.

Oh well. Must be an illusion.

Oh, well! At least he has proven himself to be deceitfully stupid again!
;-)

AF

Doan wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

LaVonne Carlson wrote:
Below are studies that to my knowledge have not been discussed on
alt.parenting.spanking. I'm assuming there are individuals on this
newsgroup who are still interested in discussing this topic. Read the
studies and let's start a discussion!

Brenner, V., & Fox, R. (1998). Parental discipline and behavior
problems in young children. /Journal of Genetic Psychology, 159/(2),
251-256.

Day, R, Peterson, G., & McCracken, C. (1998) Predicting spanking of
younger and older children by mothers and fathers. /Journal of Marriage
and the family, 60, / 79-94.

Dietz, T., (2002) Disciplining children: Characteristics associated
with the use of corporal punishment. /Child Abuse and Neglect, 24/(2),
1529-1542.

Hashima, P. & Amato, P. (1994). Poverty, social support, and parental
behavior. /Child Development. 65,/ 394-403.

Kanoy, K., Ulku-Steiner, B., Cox, M., & Burchinal, M. (2003). Marital
relationship and individual psychological characteristics that predict
physical punishment of children. /Journal of Family Psychology, 17/(1),
20-28.

LaVonne
But, LaVonne, this cannot be. According to a certain screeching little
monkeyboy you have not posted references to studies on spanking.

The pathological liar, aka Kane0, is at it again. He his hoping that
someone will be stupid enough to believe him. Now everyone here knows
that I have been asking for studies that compare spanking and non-cp
alternatives under the same condition.

Please prove none of these do.

0:-

And when have you seen comparative opposing studies in any social
science field, and most others, insist on the exact same conditions for
two opposing methods?

No, monkeyboy, it's just your hysterical way of debating.

I notice you have not responded to the simple logic that says that one
does not have to prove something works if it's not DISPROVED.

And that something here has been disproved, and it's your agenda for
spanking.

Spanking does not work, Doan.

There are many reasons children "behave," Doan but spanking is the least
powerful when it comes to compliance. Long term, predictable,
reproducible, without side effects willing compliance.


Oh well. Must be an illusion.

Oh, well! At least he has proven himself to be deceitfully stupid again!
;-)

Nope. I just flushed you out. 0:- Next it will be down.


AF


0:-



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

LaVonne Carlson wrote:
Below are studies that to my knowledge have not been discussed on
alt.parenting.spanking. I'm assuming there are individuals on this
newsgroup who are still interested in discussing this topic. Read the
studies and let's start a discussion!

Brenner, V., & Fox, R. (1998). Parental discipline and behavior
problems in young children. /Journal of Genetic Psychology, 159/(2),
251-256.

Day, R, Peterson, G., & McCracken, C. (1998) Predicting spanking of
younger and older children by mothers and fathers. /Journal of Marriage
and the family, 60, / 79-94.

Dietz, T., (2002) Disciplining children: Characteristics associated
with the use of corporal punishment. /Child Abuse and Neglect, 24/(2),
1529-1542.

Hashima, P. & Amato, P. (1994). Poverty, social support, and parental
behavior. /Child Development. 65,/ 394-403.

Kanoy, K., Ulku-Steiner, B., Cox, M., & Burchinal, M. (2003). Marital
relationship and individual psychological characteristics that predict
physical punishment of children. /Journal of Family Psychology, 17/(1),
20-28.

LaVonne
But, LaVonne, this cannot be. According to a certain screeching little
monkeyboy you have not posted references to studies on spanking.

The pathological liar, aka Kane0, is at it again. He his hoping that
someone will be stupid enough to believe him. Now everyone here knows
that I have been asking for studies that compare spanking and non-cp
alternatives under the same condition.

Please prove none of these do.

It is not for to prove a negative, STUPID!

AF

0:-

And when have you seen comparative opposing studies in any social
science field, and most others, insist on the exact same conditions for
two opposing methods?

ARE YOU THIS STUPID???

No, monkeyboy, it's just your hysterical way of debating.

THEN YOU REALLY THIS STUPID! This is what Gershoff has to be
say about this subject

"it is important to note that their argument does point to the
need for similar research on all methods of parental discipline, not
just corporal punishment."

You know who Gershoff is, don't you?

I notice you have not responded to the simple logic that says that one
does not have to prove something works if it's not DISPROVED.

Hahaha! ARE YOU THIS STUPID? Never mind, you have already demonstrated
that you are!

And that something here has been disproved, and it's your agenda for
spanking.

Spanking does not work, Doan.

Tell that to the billions of parents throughout history, across cultures,
religions, races, Kane.

There are many reasons children "behave," Doan but spanking is the least
powerful when it comes to compliance. Long term, predictable,
reproducible, without side effects willing compliance.

Then just show an alternative that has proven to be better than spanking
under the same condition. Come on, Kane! ;-)


Oh well. Must be an illusion.

Oh, well! At least he has proven himself to be deceitfully stupid again!
;-)

Nope. I just flushed you out. 0:- Next it will be down.

Down your mouth? ;-)

AF

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

LaVonne Carlson wrote:
Below are studies that to my knowledge have not been discussed on
alt.parenting.spanking. I'm assuming there are individuals on this
newsgroup who are still interested in discussing this topic. Read the
studies and let's start a discussion!

Brenner, V., & Fox, R. (1998). Parental discipline and behavior
problems in young children. /Journal of Genetic Psychology, 159/(2),
251-256.

Day, R, Peterson, G., & McCracken, C. (1998) Predicting spanking of
younger and older children by mothers and fathers. /Journal of Marriage
and the family, 60, / 79-94.

Dietz, T., (2002) Disciplining children: Characteristics associated
with the use of corporal punishment. /Child Abuse and Neglect, 24/(2),
1529-1542.

Hashima, P. & Amato, P. (1994). Poverty, social support, and parental
behavior. /Child Development. 65,/ 394-403.

Kanoy, K., Ulku-Steiner, B., Cox, M., & Burchinal, M. (2003). Marital
relationship and individual psychological characteristics that predict
physical punishment of children. /Journal of Family Psychology, 17/(1),
20-28.

LaVonne

But, LaVonne, this cannot be. According to a certain screeching little
monkeyboy you have not posted references to studies on spanking.

Oh well. Must be an illusion.

R R R R R

0:-

Do you have URL links to these studies?

Doan