Exactly who is killing children?

Kane wrote
Doug has used the very same source for HIS arguments,
that he now claims is inadequate for mine.
Interesting, isn't it, when it comes to "misleading?"

But Kane, you have used various stats and when
you were proven wrong with the very stats you used,
you resorted to saying that the stats LIE!

As I recall, weren't you misusing the stats by
pretending you had complete national stats
when you did not?

I seem to recall that you were forming ratios
of one thing to another where one number
was a complete national count and the other
was with 38 states reporting and only half of
the numbers represented.

This comparison of apples and oranges would
of course be a mathematical error.

You were SHOWED that and yet now you have
the NERVE to try this rhetoric?

You are grossly dishonest, overflowing with
rhetoric and propaganda and using bad math!

You are a CON ARTIST.

The word "liar" is a severe understatement when it comes to you, Kane!

You are rabid and cathartic.

Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Doug has used the very same source for HIS arguments,
that he now claims is inadequate for mine.
Interesting, isn't it, when it comes to "misleading?"

But Kane, you have used various stats and when
you were proven wrong with the very stats you used,
you resorted to saying that the stats LIE!

As I recall, weren't you misusing the stats by
pretending you had complete national stats
when you did not?

I seem to recall that you were forming ratios
of one thing to another where one number
was a complete national count and the other
was with 38 states reporting and only half of
the numbers represented.

This comparison of apples and oranges would
of course be a mathematical error.

You were SHOWED that and yet now you have
the NERVE to try this rhetoric?

You are grossly dishonest, overflowing with
rhetoric and propaganda and using bad math!

You are a CON ARTIST.

The word "liar" is a severe understatement when it comes to you, Kane!

You are rabid and cathartic.

A very good observation!

AF

Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Doug has used the very same source for HIS arguments,
that he now claims is inadequate for mine.
Interesting, isn't it, when it comes to "misleading?"

But Kane, you have used various stats and when
you were proven wrong with the very stats you used,
you resorted to saying that the stats LIE!

Now you are lying. I've have explained why they do not apply, based on
the claims YOU ****ants have made. I did not say that they lied.

As I recall, weren't you misusing the stats by
pretending you had complete national stats
when you did not?

Refresh my memory. I don't recall doing that. I do recall you and your
****ant schoolgirl innuendo style of asking questions though.

I seem to recall that you were forming ratios
of one thing to another where one number
was a complete national count and the other
was with 38 states reporting and only half of
the numbers represented.

And I concealed that? How did I do that, given that I always cite AND
provide a link to my sources?

YOU might lie by omission, Greg, but don't presume that other do.

This comparison of apples and oranges would
of course be a mathematical error.

What "this" are you referring to, abortionist?

You were SHOWED that and yet now you have
the NERVE to try this rhetoric?

Showed what, Greg the Abortionist.

You are grossly dishonest, overflowing with
rhetoric and propaganda and using bad math!

Bull****. I am the one that provides a clear trail to and quotes exactly
what is said, unlike you, ****ant.

You are a CON ARTIST.

What am I gaining?

The word "liar" is a severe understatement when it comes to you, Kane!

But it's right on target when it comes to what you are, Greg.


You are rabid and cathartic.


Let me check.

Nope, don't need to ****, but I'll keep your hat handy for when I do.

As for "rabid," not so's you'd notice.

Your problem is you are a cowardly little lying ****ant that doesn't
like to be caught at it.

So back you come with NO PROOF of your claims that I am not telling the
truth, unlike myself WHO PROVIDES THE PROOF that you are lying
****ant...more often than not by pointing to your very own words.

Where's your argument against my claims, Greg? Something more
substantial that YOUR ranting rabid spewing crock of ****.

0:-

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

wrote:
Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Doug has used the very same source for HIS arguments,
that he now claims is inadequate for mine.
Interesting, isn't it, when it comes to "misleading?"
But Kane, you have used various stats and when
you were proven wrong with the very stats you used,
you resorted to saying that the stats LIE!

As I recall, weren't you misusing the stats by
pretending you had complete national stats
when you did not?

I seem to recall that you were forming ratios
of one thing to another where one number
was a complete national count and the other
was with 38 states reporting and only half of
the numbers represented.

This comparison of apples and oranges would
of course be a mathematical error.

You were SHOWED that and yet now you have
the NERVE to try this rhetoric?

You are grossly dishonest, overflowing with
rhetoric and propaganda and using bad math!

You are a CON ARTIST.

The word "liar" is a severe understatement when it comes to you, Kane!

You are rabid and cathartic.

A very good observation!

Brilliant, coming from the constipated and dull.


AF



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Kane wrote
Brilliant, coming from the constipated and dull.

Are you loose of bowel and FLAMBOYANT Kane?

On 21 Sep 2006, Greegor wrote:

Kane wrote
Brilliant, coming from the constipated and dull.

Are you loose of bowel and FLAMBOYANT Kane?

Hahaha!

Doan

Kane wrote
Brilliant, coming from the constipated and dull.

Greg wrote
Are you loose of bowel and FLAMBOYANT Kane?

Doan wrote
Hahaha!

Kane dissembles into profanity.

Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Brilliant, coming from the constipated and dull.

Greg wrote
Are you loose of bowel and FLAMBOYANT Kane?

Doan wrote
Hahaha!

Kane dissembles into profanity.

Since neither of you were debating an issue it's more attention than you
deserve, child.

0:-


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

SUMMARY OF EXPERT TESTIMONY ON THE IMPACT ON CHILDREN OF WITNESSING
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

From the Decision of U.S. District Judge Jack Weinstein in Nicholson v.
Williams, Case #00-CV2229, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of New
York
....
Plaintiffs' expert Dr. David Pelcovitz concluded that removals
heighten the child's sense of self-blame, and that children exposed
to domestic violence are at a significantly above-normal risk of
suffering separation anxiety disorder if separated from their mother.
Ex. 139. Dr. Pelcovitz stated that "taking a child whose greatest
fear is separation from his or her mother and in the name of
'protecting' that child [by] forcing on them, what is in effect,
their worst nightmare, ... is tantamount to pouring salt on an open
wound." Ex. 139 at 5.

Another serious implication of removal is that it introduces children
to the foster care system, which can be much more dangerous and
debilitating than the home situation. Dr. Stark testified that foster
homes are rarely screened for the presence of domestic violence, and
that the incidence of abuse and child fatality in foster homes in New
York City is double that in the general population. Tr. 1596; Ex. 122
at 3-4. Children in foster care often fail to receive adequate medical
care. Ex. 122 at 6. Foster care placements can disrupt the child's
contact with community, school, and siblings. Ex. 122 at 8.

Greegor wrote:
SUMMARY OF EXPERT TESTIMONY ON THE IMPACT ON CHILDREN OF WITNESSING
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

From the Decision of U.S. District Judge Jack Weinstein in Nicholson v.
Williams, Case #00-CV2229, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of New
York
...
Plaintiffs' expert Dr. David Pelcovitz concluded that removals
heighten the child's sense of self-blame, and that children exposed
to domestic violence are at a significantly above-normal risk of
suffering separation anxiety disorder if separated from their mother.
Ex. 139. Dr. Pelcovitz stated that "taking a child whose greatest
fear is separation from his or her mother and in the name of
'protecting' that child [by] forcing on them, what is in effect,
their worst nightmare, ... is tantamount to pouring salt on an open
wound." Ex. 139 at 5.

Another serious implication of removal is that it introduces children
to the foster care system, which can be much more dangerous and
debilitating than the home situation. Dr. Stark testified that foster
homes are rarely screened for the presence of domestic violence, and
that the incidence of abuse and child fatality in foster homes in New
York City is double that in the general population. Tr. 1596; Ex. 122
at 3-4. Children in foster care often fail to receive adequate medical
care. Ex. 122 at 6. Foster care placements can disrupt the child's
contact with community, school, and siblings. Ex. 122 at 8.


So tell us, Greg, what do you think the state should do...throw the man out?

Last I heard, that is a violation of civil rights.

Leave the child there until the child is well versed in the skills of
punching up one's wife? Or being a victim of domestic violence themselves?

Tell us, oh wise one, YOUR solution.

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PS. My best bet is the mother is offered more than one option, Greg, and
choses to NOT kick the asshole out. It's a serious problem in domestic
abuse, and no one has been able to solve it yet.

Police, courts, mental health, CPS, no one.

But you of course have an answer, OR you love having the unsolvable to
point and pretend to claim g that the state is at fault.

0:-

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)