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(IL.) Boy dies in DCFS custody
Friday, August 22, 2003
Boy dies in DCFS custody 12-year-old hanged himself at hospital By Steve Silverman Pantagraph staff Copyright © 2003, Pantagraph Publishing Co. All rights reserved. http://tinyurl.com/ku3m -- Dennis Deakin State Director:Illinois CPSWatch, Inc. http://www.cpswatch.com/il 
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August 22nd 03, 06:18 PM
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(IL.) Boy dies in DCFS custody
Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!!
familyfree Friday, August 22, 2003 Boy dies in DCFS custody 12-year-old hanged himself at hospital By Steve Silverman Pantagraph staff Copyright © 2003, Pantagraph Publishing Co. All rights reserved. Destroycps! I'm sure glad we have the © info! I don't know what we would have done without it! http://tinyurl.com/ku3m Destroycps! There's nothing wrong with shortening the URL but you should also C&P the whole article. Tinyurl could go down, and even the Pantagraph could change URLs or start charging to see articles. Furthermore, some people in restrictive office setting can get the newsgroups but not the web. Finally, some people, particualrly those with slow connections, often hesitate to click on a link. [My comments on the article in brackets] Boy dies in DCFS custody 12-year-old hanged himself at hospital By Steve Silverman Pantagraph staff BLOOMINGTON -- Twelve-year-old Ronald Hamilton was buried Thursday, about two months after the state removed him from his home to ensure his safety. The Bloomington boy died Aug. 15 from massive injuries he suffered a few days earlier when he hanged himself with bed linen at The Pavilion, a psychiatric hospital in Champaign, according to court records. [A "psychiatric hospital" by CPS standards is simply a lock-down institution that has 24-hour doctor presence. CPS sends lots of kids to these hellholes, and nobody form the public ever gets to look inside.] He'd been under a suicide watch, records said. Ronald's mother, Angela Hamilton, said her son had no history of mental illness, but his psyche rapidly deteriorated after he and his 10-year-old brother were placed in foster care in Ivesdale, a small village on the Champaign-Piatt County line. "I don't think he meant to do it," she said. "He was trying to make a plea for help because he didn't want to go back to the foster home." Angela Hamilton contends that the state Department of Children and Family Services overreacted by removing her sons on June 17. Hamilton denies having an anger-management or substance-abuse problem, or exposing her children to domestic violence, as prosecutors alleged in seeking temporary custody for DCFS. [Same ol' junk CPS lays on everybody] Judy Renner, chief prosecutor of the abuse and neglect division of the McLean County state's attorney's office, could not be reached for comment. Ronald's death highlights the dilemma child welfare officials face on a daily basis. [Here comes the justification.] They have to weigh the dangers of allowing a child to remain in a potentially dangerous situation against the trauma a child can suffer when suddenly taken from his or her family. "It's tough to adjust, certainly," said DCFS spokeswoman Jill Manuel. "I think some of these kids handle these adjustments better than others." "This has not happened before on my watch, but you always live with the hypothetical possibility that it could," said McLean County Circuit Judge Ronald Dozier, who presides over abuse and neglect cases. ["Hypothetical"? She means inevitable.] "You also live with the hypothetical possibility that if you leave the kids in the home, they could end up dead," the judge said. [BS spin control. They didn't save that kid; they killed him.] Family problems In the early 1990s, Angela Hamilton's three sons were removed from her home. She acknowledged that she was unable to provide adequate care because of a drinking problem. She said she regained custody 10 months later after going through treatment. Hamilton said she stayed sober for eight years before she started drinking again about a year ago; she claimed alcohol hasn't been a problem. According to court records, DCFS was called in May after Angela Hamilton was arrested in connection with an altercation in which she and her sister rear-ended each others' cars and then got in a fight. Ronald and his 10-year-old brother -- the third son is now an adult -- reportedly were present during the fight. Interviewed by authorities, the boys reported domestic violence in the home. They recalled arguments between their mother and her boyfriend and described an incident in which he caused a cut by accidentally hitting her with a phone, court records said. Angela Hamilton insisted her boyfriend is not abusive. "He never hit me, he never hit the kids," she said. But DCFS wasn't convinced, and the boyfriend refused to get a domestic violence assessment or participate in services. [Good for him. I'm serious.] A safety plan was implemented barring him from living at the home and having contact with the children, court records said. [Where are these court records coming form? Usually, the public isn't allowed to see anything.] The children were removed about two weeks later after a DCFS worker saw the boyfriend at the home for a second time in the presence of the children. Angela Hamilton claimed her boyfriend stopped by while the boys were out, and they came home unexpectedly before he had a chance to leave. Angela Hamilton said Ronald was extremely unhappy in his foster home and repeatedly asked to come home during their weekly visits. She said Ronald was sent to The Pavilion for an evaluation in July after lashing out by becoming unusually aggressive toward his brother. He then was returned to his foster home in Ivesdale. Angela Hamilton said her son was returned to The Pavilion after she visited with him on Aug. 5 at her home. She said DCFS did not notify her that he returned to The Pavilion until Ronald hanged himself on Aug. 11. He spent several days on a ventilator before he was removed from life support on Aug. 15. Ronald's brother is now being cared for by his maternal grandmother. Contact Steve Silverman Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!!
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August 22nd 03, 07:17 PM
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(IL.) Boy dies in DCFS custody
"Destroycps!" wrote:
familyfree Friday, August 22, 2003 Boy dies in DCFS custody 12-year-old hanged himself at hospital By Steve Silverman Pantagraph staff Copyright © 2003, Pantagraph Publishing Co. All rights reserved. Destroycps! I'm sure glad we have the © info! I don't know what we would have done without it! Who is "we?" http://tinyurl.com/ku3m Destroycps! There's nothing wrong with shortening the URL but you should also C&P the whole article. I do, at the CPSWatchlive site. You have your style, I have mine. And reasons. Thanks for taking your time, reposting for other's and your appreciated input. Tinyurl could go down, and even the Pantagraph could change URLs or start charging to see articles. Furthermore, some people in restrictive office setting can get the newsgroups but not the web. Finally, some people, particualrly those with slow connections, often hesitate to click on a link. [My comments on the article in brackets] Boy dies in DCFS custody 12-year-old hanged himself at hospital By Steve Silverman Pantagraph staff BLOOMINGTON -- Twelve-year-old Ronald Hamilton was buried Thursday, about two months after the state removed him from his home to ensure his safety. The Bloomington boy died Aug. 15 from massive injuries he suffered a few days earlier when he hanged himself with bed linen at The Pavilion, a psychiatric hospital in Champaign, according to court records. [A "psychiatric hospital" by CPS standards is simply a lock-down institution that has 24-hour doctor presence. CPS sends lots of kids to these hellholes, and nobody form the public ever gets to look inside.] He'd been under a suicide watch, records said. Ronald's mother, Angela Hamilton, said her son had no history of mental illness, but his psyche rapidly deteriorated after he and his 10-year-old brother were placed in foster care in Ivesdale, a small village on the Champaign-Piatt County line. "I don't think he meant to do it," she said. "He was trying to make a plea for help because he didn't want to go back to the foster home." Angela Hamilton contends that the state Department of Children and Family Services overreacted by removing her sons on June 17. Hamilton denies having an anger-management or substance-abuse problem, or exposing her children to domestic violence, as prosecutors alleged in seeking temporary custody for DCFS. [Same ol' junk CPS lays on everybody] Judy Renner, chief prosecutor of the abuse and neglect division of the McLean County state's attorney's office, could not be reached for comment. Ronald's death highlights the dilemma child welfare officials face on a daily basis. [Here comes the justification.] They have to weigh the dangers of allowing a child to remain in a potentially dangerous situation against the trauma a child can suffer when suddenly taken from his or her family. "It's tough to adjust, certainly," said DCFS spokeswoman Jill Manuel. "I think some of these kids handle these adjustments better than others." "This has not happened before on my watch, but you always live with the hypothetical possibility that it could," said McLean County Circuit Judge Ronald Dozier, who presides over abuse and neglect cases. ["Hypothetical"? She means inevitable.] "You also live with the hypothetical possibility that if you leave the kids in the home, they could end up dead," the judge said. [BS spin control. They didn't save that kid; they killed him.] Family problems In the early 1990s, Angela Hamilton's three sons were removed from her home. She acknowledged that she was unable to provide adequate care because of a drinking problem. She said she regained custody 10 months later after going through treatment. Hamilton said she stayed sober for eight years before she started drinking again about a year ago; she claimed alcohol hasn't been a problem. According to court records, DCFS was called in May after Angela Hamilton was arrested in connection with an altercation in which she and her sister rear-ended each others' cars and then got in a fight. Ronald and his 10-year-old brother -- the third son is now an adult -- reportedly were present during the fight. Interviewed by authorities, the boys reported domestic violence in the home. They recalled arguments between their mother and her boyfriend and described an incident in which he caused a cut by accidentally hitting her with a phone, court records said. Angela Hamilton insisted her boyfriend is not abusive. "He never hit me, he never hit the kids," she said. But DCFS wasn't convinced, and the boyfriend refused to get a domestic violence assessment or participate in services. [Good for him. I'm serious.] A safety plan was implemented barring him from living at the home and having contact with the children, court records said. [Where are these court records coming form? Usually, the public isn't allowed to see anything.] The children were removed about two weeks later after a DCFS worker saw the boyfriend at the home for a second time in the presence of the children. Angela Hamilton claimed her boyfriend stopped by while the boys were out, and they came home unexpectedly before he had a chance to leave. Angela Hamilton said Ronald was extremely unhappy in his foster home and repeatedly asked to come home during their weekly visits. She said Ronald was sent to The Pavilion for an evaluation in July after lashing out by becoming unusually aggressive toward his brother. He then was returned to his foster home in Ivesdale. Angela Hamilton said her son was returned to The Pavilion after she visited with him on Aug. 5 at her home. She said DCFS did not notify her that he returned to The Pavilion until Ronald hanged himself on Aug. 11. He spent several days on a ventilator before he was removed from life support on Aug. 15. Ronald's brother is now being cared for by his maternal grandmother. Contact Steve Silverman -- Dennis
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August 22nd 03, 07:33 PM
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(IL.) Boy dies in DCFS custody
"Destroycps!" wrote:
Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! familyfree Friday, August 22, 2003 Boy dies in DCFS custody 12-year-old hanged himself at hospital By Steve Silverman Pantagraph staff Copyright © 2003, Pantagraph Publishing Co. All rights reserved. Destroycps! I'm sure glad we have the © info! I don't know what we would have done without it! http://tinyurl.com/ku3m Destroycps! There's nothing wrong with shortening the URL but you should also C&P the whole article. Tinyurl could go down, and even the Pantagraph could change URLs or start charging to see articles. Furthermore, some people in restrictive office setting can get the newsgroups but not the web. Finally, some people, particualrly those with slow connections, often hesitate to click on a link. [My comments on the article in brackets] Boy dies in DCFS custody 12-year-old hanged himself at hospital By Steve Silverman Pantagraph staff BLOOMINGTON -- Twelve-year-old Ronald Hamilton was buried Thursday, about two months after the state removed him from his home to ensure his safety. The Bloomington boy died Aug. 15 from massive injuries he suffered a few days earlier when he hanged himself with bed linen at The Pavilion, a psychiatric hospital in Champaign, according to court records. [A "psychiatric hospital" by CPS standards is simply a lock-down institution that has 24-hour doctor presence. CPS sends lots of kids to these hellholes, and nobody form the public ever gets to look inside.] He'd been under a suicide watch, records said. Ronald's mother, Angela Hamilton, said her son had no history of mental illness, but his psyche rapidly deteriorated after he and his 10-year-old brother were placed in foster care in Ivesdale, a small village on the Champaign-Piatt County line. "I don't think he meant to do it," she said. "He was trying to make a plea for help because he didn't want to go back to the foster home." Angela Hamilton contends that the state Department of Children and Family Services overreacted by removing her sons on June 17. Hamilton denies having an anger-management or substance-abuse problem, or exposing her children to domestic violence, as prosecutors alleged in seeking temporary custody for DCFS. [Same ol' junk CPS lays on everybody] Judy Renner, chief prosecutor of the abuse and neglect division of the McLean County state's attorney's office, could not be reached for comment. Ronald's death highlights the dilemma child welfare officials face on a daily basis. [Here comes the justification.] They have to weigh the dangers of allowing a child to remain in a potentially dangerous situation against the trauma a child can suffer when suddenly taken from his or her family. "It's tough to adjust, certainly," said DCFS spokeswoman Jill Manuel. "I think some of these kids handle these adjustments better than others." "This has not happened before on my watch, but you always live with the hypothetical possibility that it could," said McLean County Circuit Judge Ronald Dozier, who presides over abuse and neglect cases. ["Hypothetical"? She means inevitable.] "You also live with the hypothetical possibility that if you leave the kids in the home, they could end up dead," the judge said. [BS spin control. They didn't save that kid; they killed him.] Family problems In the early 1990s, Angela Hamilton's three sons were removed from her home. She acknowledged that she was unable to provide adequate care because of a drinking problem. You may have overlooked this one: They 'first' took away her children, and then she 'stipulated' (e.g. acknowledged) to being "unable to provide adequate care because of a drinking problem" under the guise that this was the only way she could/would ever get them back. i.e. 'the carrot.' She said she regained custody 10 months later after going through treatment. Hamilton said she stayed sober for eight years before she started drinking again about a year ago; she claimed alcohol hasn't been a problem. According to court records, DCFS was called in May after Angela Hamilton was arrested in connection with an altercation in which she and her sister rear-ended each others' cars and then got in a fight. Ronald and his 10-year-old brother -- the third son is now an adult -- reportedly were present during the fight. Interviewed by authorities, the boys reported domestic violence in the home. They recalled arguments between their mother and her boyfriend and described an incident in which he caused a cut by accidentally hitting her with a phone, court records said. Angela Hamilton insisted her boyfriend is not abusive. "He never hit me, he never hit the kids," she said. But DCFS wasn't convinced, and the boyfriend refused to get a domestic violence assessment or participate in services. [Good for him. I'm serious.] A safety plan was implemented barring him from living at the home and having contact with the children, court records said. [Where are these court records coming form? Usually, the public isn't allowed to see anything.] The children were removed about two weeks later after a DCFS worker saw the boyfriend at the home for a second time in the presence of the children. Angela Hamilton claimed her boyfriend stopped by while the boys were out, and they came home unexpectedly before he had a chance to leave. Angela Hamilton said Ronald was extremely unhappy in his foster home and repeatedly asked to come home during their weekly visits. She said Ronald was sent to The Pavilion for an evaluation in July after lashing out by becoming unusually aggressive toward his brother. He then was returned to his foster home in Ivesdale. Angela Hamilton said her son was returned to The Pavilion after she visited with him on Aug. 5 at her home. She said DCFS did not notify her that he returned to The Pavilion until Ronald hanged himself on Aug. 11. He spent several days on a ventilator before he was removed from life support on Aug. 15. Ronald's brother is now being cared for by his maternal grandmother. Contact Steve Silverman Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!! -- Dennis
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August 23rd 03, 06:16 AM
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(IL.) Boy dies in DCFS custody
familyfree
Copyright © 2003, Pantagraph Publishing Co. All rights reserved. http://tinyurl.com/ku3m Destroycps! I'm sure glad we have the © info! I don't know what we would have done without it! familyfree Who is "we?" Destroycps! The pronoun refers to everybody who reads what you copied. I was being sarcastic. You posted the useless copyright info but left practically everything else out. Destroycps! but you should also C&P the whole article. familyfree I do, at the CPSWatchlive site. Destroycps! What's wrong with the Google archive? It's more accessible, searchable, and reliable. And as I argued before, some office people can see newsgroups but not the web. Their browsers are disabled but their email clients work. familyfree You have your style, I have mine. Destroycps! That's not an argument. It's not a matter of artistic style. Posting an article in text gives the article exposure. If you don't want exposure, then why post it in the first place? familyfree And reasons. Destroycps! You're welcome to state them. familyfree Thanks for taking your time, reposting for other's and your appreciated input. Destroycps! Thank you for the politeness, but that doesn't mean we still can't disagree on technique. It would be newsgroup-phony if I were to ignore your posting deficiencies because I agree with your general position on CPS.
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August 23rd 03, 12:59 PM
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"Destroycps!" wrote in message t... Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps! [Same ol' junk CPS lays on everybody] Dan Oh yeah? What did the kids say about what was going on re violence? Didn't these kids witness their mother crashing her car into her sister's car? And then didn't they watch the police arrest their mother for it? Didn't they witness their mother fight with her sister and her boyfriend? Didn't the mother admit she started drinking again? Yeah, things were comin up roses for these kids. Destroycps! Do you mean roses for the funeral? You can argue forever about how bad the mom was. But whatever the situation was, it wasn't so bad that the kid was being driven to suicide. You know for a fact that it wasn't the mother's behavior that drove this little boy to suicide? Let's examine the facts. This little boy knew he was placed in FC before when his mother's drinking was out of control. And now it was happening all over again. Hoping to be returned to his mother, he watched her deny her problem with alcohol, deny her problem with anger management, and he watched her and her boyfriend ignore the agreement that kept their family together. Don't ya think he BEGGED his mother to admit what was known by the police, CPS, and the Judge at Family Court so he could go home? From the news story, "Angela Hamilton said Ronald was extremely unhappy in his foster home and repeatedly asked to come home during their weekly visits." He asked HER to come home because he knew SHE had the key! But she refused to admit the obvious. Article "This has not happened before on my watch, but you always live with the hypothetical possibility that it could," said McLean County Circuit Judge Ronald Dozier, who presides over abuse and neglect cases. Destroycps! ["Hypothetical"? She means inevitable.] Dan No it doesn't. Destroycps! It's inevitable that some kids will be so depressed about being locked-up away form home that they will commit suicide. This boy was depressed because his mother chose to ignore the road that HE KNEW got his family reunited before. snip Destroycps! You're blaming the mom for the kid killing himself because the mom couldn't satisfy CPS? If the mother wasn't drinking again, crashing cars, getting arrested, and brawling in public and at home, ALL in front of her children, CPS never would have been involved in these people lives. And what kept the boy in FC was the mother refusal to provide a safe place for him and his brother to live. Article A safety plan was implemented barring him from living at the home and having contact with the children, court records said. Dan Another moron boyfriend with Greg Hanson logic, refuse to be evaluated even by yer own psychologist, refuse to participate in parenting classes ... and then the worst possible consequence occurs, the boyfriend gets barred from the house and having contact with the kids OR CPS'll take the kids away!!! Destroycps! Parenting classes and psychologist evaluations do no good for the cause of parents in a CPS case. You believe this is true in what percentage of cases? If these services were applied to a boyfriend, they would have the same non-beneficial effect. In what percentage of cases? Frequently, CPS will in a roundabout way advocate for the split-up of a couple. If a couple then splits up to appease CPS, they will find that doing so didn't help their cause. CPS will simply say that there still is an attachment that will redevelop later. CPS will also come up with other faults of the parent(s). Roundabout? I've seen CPS TELL women that if they don't get their boyfriend out of the house their kids will be placed in FC. Dan An alcoholic starts boozing again, brawling in public, fighting at home, crashing her car into other people's cars, getting arrested, all in front of her children. What a shame, Destroycps! No. That's not the shame of this story. The story is about a kid killing himself because he was hopelessly stuck in foster custody. If he believed he was hopelessly stuck in foster care it was because his mother refused to do any of the things HE BELIEVED would get him out. Keep in mind, the first step to this story is the mother goin back to the booze. If not for Step #1 you would never get to all the other things that happened... Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!! And what would your solution have been, Nehmo? Dan
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"Destroycps!" wrote in message ink.net... [My comments on the article in brackets] Boy dies in DCFS custody 12-year-old hanged himself at hospital By Steve Silverman Pantagraph staff BLOOMINGTON -- Twelve-year-old Ronald Hamilton was buried Thursday, about two months after the state removed him from his home to ensure his safety. The Bloomington boy died Aug. 15 from massive injuries he suffered a few days earlier when he hanged himself with bed linen at The Pavilion, a psychiatric hospital in Champaign, according to court records. [A "psychiatric hospital" by CPS standards is simply a lock-down institution that has 24-hour doctor presence. CPS sends lots of kids to these hellholes, and nobody form the public ever gets to look inside.] He'd been under a suicide watch, records said. Ronald's mother, Angela Hamilton, said her son had no history of mental illness, but his psyche rapidly deteriorated after he and his 10-year-old brother were placed in foster care in Ivesdale, a small village on the Champaign-Piatt County line. "I don't think he meant to do it," she said. "He was trying to make a plea for help because he didn't want to go back to the foster home." Angela Hamilton contends that the state Department of Children and Family Services overreacted by removing her sons on June 17. Hamilton denies having an anger-management or substance-abuse problem, or exposing her children to domestic violence, as prosecutors alleged in seeking temporary custody for DCFS. [Same ol' junk CPS lays on everybody] The mother was arrested for intentionally crashing her car into her sister's car. Or is that not an anger-management problem? And does an alcoholic who starts drinking again not have a substance-abuse problem? Judy Renner, chief prosecutor of the abuse and neglect division of the McLean County state's attorney's office, could not be reached for comment. Ronald's death highlights the dilemma child welfare officials face on a daily basis. [Here comes the justification.] They have to weigh the dangers of allowing a child to remain in a potentially dangerous situation against the trauma a child can suffer when suddenly taken from his or her family. "It's tough to adjust, certainly," said DCFS spokeswoman Jill Manuel. "I think some of these kids handle these adjustments better than others." "This has not happened before on my watch, but you always live with the hypothetical possibility that it could," said McLean County Circuit Judge Ronald Dozier, who presides over abuse and neglect cases. ["Hypothetical"? She means inevitable.] "You also live with the hypothetical possibility that if you leave the kids in the home, they could end up dead," the judge said. [BS spin control. They didn't save that kid; they killed him.] Would the boy have been suicidal if he knew his mother was going to counseling, AA meetings, parenting classes, and anger-management classes? IOW doing the same things that got him out of FC the first time? Or was he freaked out because his mother failed to comply with the safety plan she had agreed to in Court? Family problems In the early 1990s, Angela Hamilton's three sons were removed from her home. She acknowledged that she was unable to provide adequate care because of a drinking problem. She said she regained custody 10 months later after going through treatment. Hamilton said she stayed sober for eight years before she started drinking again about a year ago; she claimed alcohol hasn't been a problem. According to court records, DCFS was called in May after Angela Hamilton was arrested in connection with an altercation in which she and her sister rear-ended each others' cars and then got in a fight. Ronald and his 10-year-old brother -- the third son is now an adult -- reportedly were present during the fight. Interviewed by authorities, the boys reported domestic violence in the home. They recalled arguments between their mother and her boyfriend and described an incident in which he caused a cut by accidentally hitting her with a phone, court records said. Angela Hamilton insisted her boyfriend is not abusive. "He never hit me, he never hit the kids," she said. But DCFS wasn't convinced, and the boyfriend refused to get a domestic violence assessment or participate in services. [Good for him. I'm serious.] A 12 yo boy kills himself partially because his mother's boyfriend refused to comply with the Court ordered safety plan which kept his family together. Can you make sure the boyfriend gets a copy of your post, Nehmo? I'd like him to know that someone thinks he did something good. I'm serious. Dan
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"Destroycps!" wrote in message et...
Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps! [Same ol' junk CPS lays on everybody] Dan Oh yeah? What did the kids say about what was going on re violence? Didn't these kids witness their mother crashing her car into her sister's car? And then didn't they watch the police arrest their mother for it? Didn't they witness their mother fight with her sister and her boyfriend? Didn't the mother admit she started drinking again? Yeah, things were comin up roses for these kids. Destroycps! Do you mean roses for the funeral? You can argue forever about how bad the mom was. But whatever the situation was, it wasn't so bad that the kid was being driven to suicide. Wrong again, One-track-mind. I've seen adults kill themselves after having parents that failed their children in exactly this way. Hanging seems to be the method of choice so often for those with terribly low self esteem. This mother chose booze, violence, and her boyfriend over her child. What's left for the kid? Article "This has not happened before on my watch, but you always live with the hypothetical possibility that it could," said McLean County Circuit Judge Ronald Dozier, who presides over abuse and neglect cases. Destroycps! ["Hypothetical"? She means inevitable.] Dan No it doesn't. Destroycps! It's inevitable that some kids will be so depressed about being locked-up away form home that they will commit suicide. Unlike you, this 12 year old was pretty clear about who was to blame for his situation. Where would YOU have put him? Back with mother and boyfriend, so that in a few weeks or months you could dance in his blood after he got killed by the stupid violent mother or boyfriend, and blame CPS for NOT taking him out of the home? Judge Ronald Dozier (I incorrectly thought the quote came form Jill) is trying to play down this inevitability by using the diminishing adjective "hypothetical" to refer to a situation before the fact. But actually it's after the fact right now. The risk is no longer "hypothetical". If you apply the risk at the right time to the right thing the judge was correct. You seem to miss the point rather a lot. So if you think "hypothetical" actually means, in such cases, "inevitable" how is it that many more children in foster care don't kill themselves? It's rather easy, monday morning quarter backing, to lay blame wherever one wishes, now isn't it. All you have to do is ignore the behavior of the mother and boyfriend. Something like you ignore the Greg case. Dan If it was inevitable all the kids removed by CPS would kill themselves. Article "You also live with the hypothetical possibility that if you leave the kids in the home, they could end up dead," the judge said. Destroycps! [BS spin control. They didn't save that kid; they killed him.] Dan These kids wouldn't have been removed if the mother took the agreement seriously. Destroycps! You're blaming the mom for the kid killing himself because the mom couldn't satisfy CPS? No, because the mother couldn't satisfy the kid and his sense of worth by giving up the booze, violence, and boyfriend. It wouldn't have mattered if CPS had never entered the picture. She'd have, as she showed clearly, gone on until injuring or killing someone, been lost to the boy for his childhood anyway, or killed him or his sibs. Think about what you are advocating. In other words, what would YOU have done in this case? Left the children with her, dispite her clear intent NOT to get clean, to stop her violence? Article A safety plan was implemented barring him from living at the home and having contact with the children, court records said. Dan Another moron boyfriend with Greg Hanson logic, refuse to be evaluated even by yer own psychologist, refuse to participate in parenting classes ... and then the worst possible consequence occurs, the boyfriend gets barred from the house and having contact with the kids OR CPS'll take the kids away!!! Destroycps! Parenting classes and psychologist evaluations do no good for the cause of parents in a CPS case. How is it then that so many are among the approximately 60% of natural parents that get their children back from CPS? The parents that DO attend such classes and do have evaluations, and do get off the ****? If these services were applied to a boyfriend, they would have the same non-beneficial effect. All she had to do was kick the boyfriend out, and do her own numbers with CPS. She did it once. Instead she told the boy, by her actions and inactions, what value HE had to her. And he responded in kind the only way he knew how. Some kids just go the same route later in life...become like their parent...or worse. Some kill themselves. Some even get so tired of the violence, some of which is perpetrated on them they kill the parent. Frequently, CPS will in a roundabout way advocate for the split-up of a couple. No, they tell them flat out most of the time. Often it's because the boyfriend is an adjudicated sex offender, or criminal, or domestically violent. Sometimes they give the boy friend one shot at getting his act together. The mother gets the call. This mother blew it. If a couple then splits up to appease CPS, they will find that doing so didn't help their cause. Bull****. CPS will simply say that there still is an attachment that will redevelop later. They will say such a thing because it is true. That's how humans work. They caution the mother NOT to reconnect, as is so often the case, or risk losing her children. Sounds perfectly logical to me if the boyfriend is a problem. I invite you to comment on the Greg Hansen situation. CPS will also come up with other faults of the parent(s). Well, I do believe that IS their mandate, if it concerns the safety of the children. Now isn't it? Dan An alcoholic starts boozing again, brawling in public, fighting at home, crashing her car into other people's cars, getting arrested, all in front of her children. What a shame, Destroycps! No. That's not the shame of this story. The story is about a kid killing himself because he was hopelessly stuck in foster custody. and so stuck there by his mother's unwillingness to demonstrate to the child he was worth giving up her boyfriend, her booze, and her violence for. Many such a child has been saved, if caught by CPS soon enough, for a foster or adoptive parent to reeducate and teach the child they are worth loving and sacrificing for. Too late in this case...but you loonies here help with this, often. He took what appeared to him to be the only way out. Parents that behave like this forever brand their child as having less worth. "Worthless" is what causes a lot of suicides. Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!! Interesting mindset. What would you replace CPS with, a lot of dead kids? Kane
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(IL.) Boy dies in DCFS custody
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Woody It doesn't say the services were court ordered. Kane Ah, but it does, as I pointed out to you. It would not be in the court record were it not court ordered. Destroycps! The "court record" (and it's unclear how the author got access to this) includes everything submitted. The Safety Plans, which I assume are the same as the Treatment Plans or Service Plans of other states, are included in the big submitted CPS report. The orders are something separate. Kane CPS doesn't "order" plans. They submit them to the court to order. Destroycps! Very seldom does a CPS court order the parent to do something. It's a complicated legal issue, and recognizing this, the courts simply avoid it. For example, the court may order CPS to "provide" a service, but the court doesn't directly order the parent to attend. The parent is really not under the jurisdiction (by this I mean control) of the court. From a legal point of view, this is important. Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!!
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