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Schwarzenegger's propaganda
"Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father of a
child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically established in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity establishment is not automatic and the process should be started by both parents as soon as possible for the benefit of the child." Note that "paternity" is automatically established even if the child is biologically unrelated to the husband. If the situation was reversed, do you think "maternity" would be "automatically established" even though the wife is NOT the mother? Not a snowball's chance in a blast furnace! ONLY in matriarchal AmeriKa. Also note that Schwarzenegger recommends that BOTH parents should start the paternity establishment process "as soon as possible" for the "benefit of the child". First of all, NO child benefits from such process; and secondly, what man in his right mind would voluntarily start a process that will extort his money/freedom? Ya gotta just LOVE the propaganda ............. http://www.childsup.ca.gov/Resources...1/Default.aspx |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... "Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father of a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically established in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity establishment is not automatic and the process should be started by both parents as soon as possible for the benefit of the child." Note that "paternity" is automatically established even if the child is biologically unrelated to the husband. If the situation was reversed, do you think "maternity" would be "automatically established" even though the wife is NOT the mother? Not a snowball's chance in a blast furnace! ONLY in matriarchal AmeriKa. Also note that Schwarzenegger recommends that BOTH parents should start the paternity establishment process "as soon as possible" for the "benefit of the child". First of all, NO child benefits from such process; and secondly, what man in his right mind would voluntarily start a process that will extort his money/freedom? Paternity cannot be established until after a live birth. Up until that point the mother can control the situation by having an abortion or hiding her pregnancy from the father. In far too many cases of unwed births the mother has had sex with multiple sex partners and she has no idea who the father might be. The correct advice for putative fathers is to register with the state where the mother resides to establish their rights before the child is born. Even then the child can be adopted out for money without the father's knowledge. |
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"Bob W" wrote in message m... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father of a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically established in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity establishment is not automatic and the process should be started by both parents as soon as possible for the benefit of the child." Note that "paternity" is automatically established even if the child is biologically unrelated to the husband. If the situation was reversed, do you think "maternity" would be "automatically established" even though the wife is NOT the mother? Not a snowball's chance in a blast furnace! ONLY in matriarchal AmeriKa. Also note that Schwarzenegger recommends that BOTH parents should start the paternity establishment process "as soon as possible" for the "benefit of the child". First of all, NO child benefits from such process; and secondly, what man in his right mind would voluntarily start a process that will extort his money/freedom? Paternity cannot be established until after a live birth. Up until that point the mother can control the situation by having an abortion or hiding her pregnancy from the father. In far too many cases of unwed births the mother has had sex with multiple sex partners and she has no idea who the father might be. The correct advice for putative fathers is to register with the state where the mother resides to establish their rights before the child is born. Even then the child can be adopted out for money without the father's knowledge. Not sure what "rights" such registration affords men, if any. But since the mother can STILL sell the child, what purpose does registering with the state accomplish other than to assist the "child support" people in assigning him the title of "father" for the purposes of stealing his money/freedom? |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob W" wrote in message m... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father of a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically established in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity establishment is not automatic and the process should be started by both parents as soon as possible for the benefit of the child." Note that "paternity" is automatically established even if the child is biologically unrelated to the husband. If the situation was reversed, do you think "maternity" would be "automatically established" even though the wife is NOT the mother? Not a snowball's chance in a blast furnace! ONLY in matriarchal AmeriKa. Also note that Schwarzenegger recommends that BOTH parents should start the paternity establishment process "as soon as possible" for the "benefit of the child". First of all, NO child benefits from such process; and secondly, what man in his right mind would voluntarily start a process that will extort his money/freedom? Paternity cannot be established until after a live birth. Up until that point the mother can control the situation by having an abortion or hiding her pregnancy from the father. In far too many cases of unwed births the mother has had sex with multiple sex partners and she has no idea who the father might be. The correct advice for putative fathers is to register with the state where the mother resides to establish their rights before the child is born. Even then the child can be adopted out for money without the father's knowledge. Not sure what "rights" such registration affords men, if any. But since the mother can STILL sell the child, what purpose does registering with the state accomplish other than to assist the "child support" people in assigning him the title of "father" for the purposes of stealing his money/freedom? The "right" is to be advised of any adoption effort and to be in line to exercise parental rights before potential adoptive parents if the mother chooses to give up the child. Related to CS - the mother can be ordered to pay CS to the CP father. Besides hiding the adoption to allow the mother to sell the child to adoptive parents, keeping the adoption process away from the father helps the mother avoid having to pay CS for a child she chooses not to keep. |
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"Bob W" wrote in message
m... "Chris" wrote in message ... [snip] Not sure what "rights" such registration affords men, if any. But since the mother can STILL sell the child, what purpose does registering with the state accomplish other than to assist the "child support" people in assigning him the title of "father" for the purposes of stealing his money/freedom? The "right" is to be advised of any adoption effort and to be in line to exercise parental rights before potential adoptive parents if the mother chooses to give up the child. Related to CS - the mother can be ordered to pay CS to the CP father. Besides hiding the adoption to allow the mother to sell the child to adoptive parents, keeping the adoption process away from the father helps the mother avoid having to pay CS for a child she chooses not to keep. OK, I hip with that, but in what way does this help if mom decides to keep the child? In a case like that, it would seem to severely disadvantage the prospective father and place him squarely in the CSE crosshairs. |
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:04:16 +0200, "Dusty" wrote:
"Bob W" wrote in message om... "Chris" wrote in message ... [snip] Not sure what "rights" such registration affords men, if any. But since the mother can STILL sell the child, what purpose does registering with the state accomplish other than to assist the "child support" people in assigning him the title of "father" for the purposes of stealing his money/freedom? The "right" is to be advised of any adoption effort and to be in line to exercise parental rights before potential adoptive parents if the mother chooses to give up the child. Related to CS - the mother can be ordered to pay CS to the CP father. Besides hiding the adoption to allow the mother to sell the child to adoptive parents, keeping the adoption process away from the father helps the mother avoid having to pay CS for a child she chooses not to keep. OK, I hip with that, but in what way does this help if mom decides to keep the child? In a case like that, it would seem to severely disadvantage the prospective father and place him squarely in the CSE crosshairs. The only advantage to the man in registering as the child's father is the possibility that he will be able to have some kind of relationship with the child, even if the mother doesn't want this. However, I very much doubt whether this is worth much. The system is notoriously lax about enforcing visitation, by contrast with the huge amount of resources devoted to enforcing "child support." I've seen comments from CS officials indicating that the father registration provision is nothing more than a deliberate trap for the unwary. The idea is that, immediately after a child is born, the man who thinks he is the father will be inordinately proud of his situation, and will want to be identified as the father. But the bottom line is that he is only making it easier for the mother to get 18+ years of "child support" from him. |
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"Kenneth s." wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:04:16 +0200, "Dusty" wrote: "Bob W" wrote in message news:GrmdnVy8AvCSCTvXnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@earthlink. com... "Chris" wrote in message ... [snip] Not sure what "rights" such registration affords men, if any. But since the mother can STILL sell the child, what purpose does registering with the state accomplish other than to assist the "child support" people in assigning him the title of "father" for the purposes of stealing his money/freedom? The "right" is to be advised of any adoption effort and to be in line to exercise parental rights before potential adoptive parents if the mother chooses to give up the child. Related to CS - the mother can be ordered to pay CS to the CP father. Besides hiding the adoption to allow the mother to sell the child to adoptive parents, keeping the adoption process away from the father helps the mother avoid having to pay CS for a child she chooses not to keep. OK, I hip with that, but in what way does this help if mom decides to keep the child? In a case like that, it would seem to severely disadvantage the prospective father and place him squarely in the CSE crosshairs. The only advantage to the man in registering as the child's father is the possibility that he will be able to have some kind of relationship with the child, even if the mother doesn't want this. However, I very much doubt whether this is worth much. The system is notoriously lax about enforcing visitation, by contrast with the huge amount of resources devoted to enforcing "child support." I've seen comments from CS officials indicating that the father registration provision is nothing more than a deliberate trap for the unwary. The idea is that, immediately after a child is born, the man who thinks he is the father will be inordinately proud of his situation, and will want to be identified as the father. But the bottom line is that he is only making it easier for the mother to get 18+ years of "child support" from him. The whole thing is too little, too late. The FIRST necessity is to consider and treat BOTH parents as equals, which would solve the whole problem but that isn't gonna happen until men, as a group, get radical and vocal. Phil #3 |
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"Phil #3" wrote in message
m... "Kenneth s." wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:04:16 +0200, "Dusty" wrote: "Bob W" wrote in message news:GrmdnVy8AvCSCTvXnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@earthlink .com... "Chris" wrote in message ... [snip] [snip] The whole thing is too little, too late. The FIRST necessity is to consider and treat BOTH parents as equals, which would solve the whole problem but that isn't gonna happen until men, as a group, get radical and vocal. That's all well and good Phil, but there's a major flaw in that idea.. (1) men are being picked off one-by-one wither they are vocal about it or not and (2) try as we might, there is no central figure for men to rally around. I hate to say it, but most people are sheep and will only follow those in front of them, even if it's over a cliff. The lack of a central, organized hub, if you will, to grease the wheels and keep them turning in the right direction is what is required for the MRM to take flight. Part of the problem is that there are many, many splinter groups that, much like the Red Queen, are after someone's head. This in turn is what feeds the media to portray everyone in the MRM as a nut-job. Which leads us to another part of the problem, lack of media support or good, pro-father stories in the media. A good deal of that can be laid at the feet of the Hollywood elite by their constant portrayals of men as complete dopes and utter fools. After being fed a steady diet of "Dad is a Buffoon" for nearly 30 years the public buys into it, hook, line and sinker without ever raising an eyebrow. Reverse this and people will demand heads on platters. An unlikely example of this is David Letterman and his so-called joke about former Governor Palin's daughter. People who heard it wanted Letterman's head in a pike for insulting a young girl and insinuating that rape would be good for her. But whereas people went into an uproar over this happening to a female, not a peep was heard about a demand for Letterman to apologize to the MAN he slighted as her would-be rapist! There's a lot of work yet to be done before we can even think of getting into the ring with the girls. |
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"Kenneth s." wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:04:16 +0200, "Dusty" wrote: "Bob W" wrote in message news:GrmdnVy8AvCSCTvXnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@earthlink. com... "Chris" wrote in message ... [snip] Not sure what "rights" such registration affords men, if any. But since the mother can STILL sell the child, what purpose does registering with the state accomplish other than to assist the "child support" people in assigning him the title of "father" for the purposes of stealing his money/freedom? The "right" is to be advised of any adoption effort and to be in line to exercise parental rights before potential adoptive parents if the mother chooses to give up the child. Related to CS - the mother can be ordered to pay CS to the CP father. Besides hiding the adoption to allow the mother to sell the child to adoptive parents, keeping the adoption process away from the father helps the mother avoid having to pay CS for a child she chooses not to keep. OK, I hip with that, but in what way does this help if mom decides to keep the child? In a case like that, it would seem to severely disadvantage the prospective father and place him squarely in the CSE crosshairs. The only advantage to the man in registering as the child's father is the possibility that he will be able to have some kind of relationship with the child, even if the mother doesn't want this. However, I very much doubt whether this is worth much. The system is notoriously lax about enforcing visitation, by contrast with the huge amount of resources devoted to enforcing "child support." I've seen comments from CS officials indicating that the father registration provision is nothing more than a deliberate trap for the unwary. The idea is that, immediately after a child is born, the man who thinks he is the father will be inordinately proud of his situation, and will want to be identified as the father. But the bottom line is that he is only making it easier for the mother to get 18+ years of "child support" from him. Precisely! Just the fact that the man would need to register in order to excercise this so-called "right" in the first place is a clear indication that the mother already opposes any such rights that he may have. Which begs the question: why register? |
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"Bob W" wrote in message m... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob W" wrote in message m... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father of a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically established in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity establishment is not automatic and the process should be started by both parents as soon as possible for the benefit of the child." Note that "paternity" is automatically established even if the child is biologically unrelated to the husband. If the situation was reversed, do you think "maternity" would be "automatically established" even though the wife is NOT the mother? Not a snowball's chance in a blast furnace! ONLY in matriarchal AmeriKa. Also note that Schwarzenegger recommends that BOTH parents should start the paternity establishment process "as soon as possible" for the "benefit of the child". First of all, NO child benefits from such process; and secondly, what man in his right mind would voluntarily start a process that will extort his money/freedom? Paternity cannot be established until after a live birth. Up until that point the mother can control the situation by having an abortion or hiding her pregnancy from the father. In far too many cases of unwed births the mother has had sex with multiple sex partners and she has no idea who the father might be. The correct advice for putative fathers is to register with the state where the mother resides to establish their rights before the child is born. Even then the child can be adopted out for money without the father's knowledge. Not sure what "rights" such registration affords men, if any. But since the mother can STILL sell the child, what purpose does registering with the state accomplish other than to assist the "child support" people in assigning him the title of "father" for the purposes of stealing his money/freedom? The "right" is to be advised of any adoption effort and to be in line to exercise parental rights before potential adoptive parents if the mother chooses to give up the child. Related to CS - the mother can be ordered to pay CS to the CP father. Besides hiding the adoption to allow the mother to sell the child to adoptive parents, keeping the adoption process away from the father helps the mother avoid having to pay CS for a child she chooses not to keep. And then you woke up. 1. The only "parental" right is mother's right. 2. That a mother has to take ANY action to avoid paying "child support" is a ridiculous concept. 3. A CP father is about as common as a three-legged chicken. |
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