Lisa Welchel promoting child abuse

In article t6dlb2tu45jffo4mm3ou20dqun744bpoij@usenet,
spank the parents wrote:

The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.

http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, “a handful”,
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and “filled with
schemes to do wrong.

And she's absolutely right. That's exactly what they are.

p.25 "I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, 'Yes, sir’'
or 'Yes, ma’am’' when following instruction."

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little ****s to have some actual manners.

p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

In article ,
Anim8rFSK wrote:

I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

She's apparently a religious nutter but the idea that you're being
abusive because you either don't think kids are just the sweetest things
on earth or force them to behave in a courteous and respectful manner
toward adults is ridiculous.

BTR1701 wrote:

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little ****s to have some actual manners.
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You're just an abusive Fundy whore.

We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.


p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.
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Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

BTR1701 wrote:

In article ,
Anim8rFSK wrote:

I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

She's apparently a religious nutter but the idea that you're being
abusive because you either don't think kids are just the sweetest things
on earth or force them to behave in a courteous and respectful manner
toward adults is ridiculous.
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Trying to abuse children and then require them to treat you nice is
an idiot's errand, it doesn't work. You cannot command respect, you
must EARN IT, and being kind to children makes them wish to treat you
in a kind manner.
Steve

wrote:

BTR1701 wrote:
In article t6dlb2tu45jffo4mm3ou20dqun744bpoij@usenet,
spank the parents wrote:

The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.

http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, "a handful",
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and "filled with
schemes to do wrong.

And she's absolutely right. That's exactly what they are.

p.25 "I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, 'Yes, sir''
or 'Yes, ma'am'' when following instruction."

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little ****s to have some actual manners.

p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

I haven't read Lisa Whelchel's book, but I visited the stoptherod web
page. In some instances, I thought her disciplinary techniques were
rather harsh, but unless she's hitting her kids hard enough to leave
marks, I wouldn't consider her methods abusive.
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But that's only because you're brainwashed and emotionally disturbed.


And yes, I agree that kids should be taught good manners and that they
should behave themselves. They also need to learn how to get along
with others and how to delay gratification of needs/wants. Overall, I
think today's kids receive too little discipline rather than too much
discipline. Personally, I'm not a fan of spanking. But if your toddler
keeps running in the street no matter how many times you say no or try
to distract him or put him in time-out, then I say a few taps on the
bottom are preferable to letting the kid get hit by a car.
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That example doesn't even work! It is an old saw, but research shows
that assaulting a child who endangers himself actually makes him fixate
on trying it again when you're not around, and that expressing fear
works MUCh better at dissuading a child from endangering themselevs.

Everyone who drags out this erreoneous notion really secretly LOVES
hitting children to get paid back for when THEY were hit as a child
in order to reinforce their sense of adult entitlement over and
against those who abused THEM in childhood. It is evidence of an
emotional sickness.

If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

In article ,
BTR1701 wrote:

In article ,
Anim8rFSK wrote:

I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

She's apparently a religious nutter but the idea that you're being
abusive because you either don't think kids are just the sweetest things
on earth or force them to behave in a courteous and respectful manner
toward adults is ridiculous.

Except neither of those things are why I think she's guilty of child
abuse.

Once Upon A Time R. Steve Walz wrote:

If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

I'll bet you're a "therapist", aren't you? You probably make your
living leeching off of the emotionally crippled. That's why you promote
it.


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Captain Infinity

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

BTR1701 wrote:

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little ****s to have some actual manners.
----------------------
You're just an abusive Fundy whore.

We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.


p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.
----------------------
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

I was going to ask you to show any evidence you have that I'm a "Fundy",
considering I've been openly atheist for several decades now... then I
realized you're just an idiot, so why bother?

In article .com,
" wrote:

BTR1701 wrote:
In article t6dlb2tu45jffo4mm3ou20dqun744bpoij@usenet,
spank the parents wrote:

The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.

http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, "a handful",
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and "filled with
schemes to do wrong.

And she's absolutely right. That's exactly what they are.

p.25 "I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, 'Yes, sir''
or 'Yes, ma'am'' when following instruction."

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little ****s to have some actual manners.

p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

I haven't read Lisa Whelchel's book, but I visited the stoptherod web
page. In some instances, I thought her disciplinary techniques were
rather harsh, but unless she's hitting her kids hard enough to leave
marks, I wouldn't consider her methods abusive. To put it another way,
I don't see anything here that would warrant a visit from social
services. If people want to advocate for abused children who cannot
speak up for themselves, that's great. I'm all for it. But these folks
should focus on children who truly are victims of abuse and who really
need help, not kids whose parents happen to be strict or old-fashioned.

And yes, I agree that kids should be taught good manners and that they
should behave themselves. They also need to learn how to get along
with others and how to delay gratification of needs/wants. Overall, I
think today's kids receive too little discipline rather than too much
discipline.

I spent most of the day on a plane sitting in front of some brat who
wouldn't stay still for 10 seconds and thought the height of excitement
was to constantly slam his food tray up and down into the back of my
seat (when he wasn't kicking it, that is).

The mother, of course, was completely oblivious, even after I physically
turned around and glared several times. Hell, she probably thought the
little *******'s behavior was "cute" or something. Finally I'd had
enough and stood up, leaned over the seat right in the kid's face and
said in a loud and firm voice, "Stop that right now." And it worked. For
the first time in his life, someone finally told the kid no. He was
probably so stunned, he didn't know how to react.

Of course, that finally roused the mother out of her stupor but rather
than be mortified and embarrassed by her issue's behavior, as any
right-thinking person would have been, she had the gall to chastise me
for speaking to her child without her permission.

I just laughed at her and said, "Lady, if you'd actually parent your
kid, then total strangers wouldn't have to." That pretty much shut her
up for good.