vaccination by scheibner

"john" wrote in message
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"HCN" wrote in message
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r..i..g..h..t..... the veracity of your argument seems to go counter with
real history:

"Real" as in medical cartel. I read the books from that era which tell a
different story, in quotes here to save effort
http://www.whale.to/a/quotes.html


Well, that was pretty much a non-answer. There did not seem to be anything
about the decimation of the Americas between 1500 and 1800 (it is estimated
that about 90% of the population died to various European diseases). The
"quotes" were jumbled together without much real documentation... pretty
cherry picked for your agenda.

So in your alternate universe Cortez conquered the Aztecs by vaccinating
them in 1520.

"HCN" wrote in message
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So in your alternate universe Cortez conquered the Aztecs by vaccinating
them in 1520.



What has that to do with vaccination which started in 1790 or therabouts

you vaccinators can't accept your creed is ********
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sm.html

In 1918, the US Army forced the vaccination of 3,285,376 natives in the
Philippines when no epidemic was brewing, only the sporadic cases of the
usual mild nature. Of the vaccinated persons, 47,369 came down with
small-pox, and of these 16,477 died. In 1919 the experiment was doubled.
7,670,252 natives were vaccinated. Of these 65,180 victims came down with
small-pox, and 44,408 died. In the first experiment, one-third died, and in
the second, two-thirds of the infected ones died. ----- from Dr. William
Koch's book, The Survival Factor in Neoplastic and Viral Diseases.

"john" wrote in message
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"HCN" wrote in message
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So in your alternate universe Cortez conquered the Aztecs by vaccinating
them in 1520.



What has that to do with vaccination which started in 1790 or therabouts

you vaccinators can't accept your creed is ********
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sm.html

In 1918, the US Army forced the vaccination of 3,285,376 natives in the
Philippines when no epidemic was brewing, only the sporadic cases of the
usual mild nature. Of the vaccinated persons, 47,369 came down with
small-pox, and of these 16,477 died. In 1919 the experiment was doubled.
7,670,252 natives were vaccinated. Of these 65,180 victims came down with
small-pox, and 44,408 died. In the first experiment, one-third died, and
in
the second, two-thirds of the infected ones died. ----- from Dr. William
Koch's book, The Survival Factor in Neoplastic and Viral Diseases.



Because YOU said that vaccination caused most of the deaths and illnesses...
but I pointed out that the Americans had been almost wiped out by smallpox,
measles and other European diseases BEFORE 1800. The numbers were in the
millions, not the tens of thousands you are quoting (
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...l/-/0385121229 , much better
researched and reliable than from a text written by a guy who died over 40
years ago)

So then YOU said that you had read the original books (and I assumed the
original accounts in Spanish of Cortez's campaign written by his
brothers)... and left a bunch of quotes that started WAY after 1800.

So basically... this means that your assertion that vaccination caused most
of the deaths in the Americas is full of baloney, and your response he
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...interne t.com
(your quote "Not forgetting their spreading leprosy, syphilis and smallpox
around the globe with smallpox vaccination for over 100 years without
preventing one case of smallpox." ... ) that I should know that most of the
deaths due to smallpox was from vaccination was just a stupid diversion
tactic that fully showed you have no idea what you are talking about. Plus,
since neither syphilis nor leprosy are related to any vaccine prevented
disease, it just made that quote all the sillier (they are both bacterial,
and have never been prevented by vaccination, but by behavior changes and
getting treated with antibiotics with early detection).


Though I am not quite

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 06:55:28 +0000 (UTC), "john"
wrote:

"PF Riley" wrote in message
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It is so sad that you really have no idea how stupid you are.

Projection. Your best argument is cheap abuse which says it all

Like I said...

"HCN" wrote in message
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Plus,
since neither syphilis nor leprosy are related to any vaccine prevented
disease, it just made that quote all the sillier (they are both bacterial,
and have never been prevented by vaccination, but by behavior changes and
getting treated with antibiotics with early detection).

Caused by vaccination http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox10.html
didn't have much in the way of antibiotics for the 100 years you spread
syphilis by vaccination

"john" wrote in message
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"HCN" wrote in message
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Plus,
since neither syphilis nor leprosy are related to any vaccine prevented
disease, it just made that quote all the sillier (they are both
bacterial,
and have never been prevented by vaccination, but by behavior changes
and
getting treated with antibiotics with early detection).

Caused by vaccination http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox10.html
didn't have much in the way of antibiotics for the 100 years you spread
syphilis by vaccination

If you read the story carefully, you will see that the method of vaccination
is something that is not used any more. The vaccination was taken directly
from a lesion and given to kids.

But even this was not likely to spread syphilis. Syphilis has an incubation
of 10 days to 90 days, but usually from 2 to 4 weeks. That is a lot longer
than the 1 week in the article.

Anyway, the vaccination that is available today is much purer. It is made
from a cultured strained and is very safe.

So the 120 year old article illistrates why we are so lucky to live in a
time where safe and effective vaccines are available. And one where the
syphilis vaccine is not needed because the vaccine was so effective in a
previous generation.

Jeff

Jeff