Criminalizing the Classroom

On Jun 19, 2:01 pm, "0:-]" wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:35:21 -0400, Joe wrote:
Barbara wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:36 pm, Joe wrote:
The New Empire

Coming soon to a school near you.
SNIP

From the New York Post:

"Students checked more than 1,500 guns, knives and other dangerous
items at the door at New York City schools this year - down 18 percent
from last year.

"From July 1, 2006, to June 10 of this year, cops netted 353 weapons -
including guns and knives - from city schools. They also confiscated
1,340 "dangerous instruments," including penknives, imitation guns,
laser pointers and pipes."

I don't think that armed police officers and metal detectors are the
answer to this problem. But I sure as heck don't think that removing
them is going to create some sort of utopian dream school.

So, Joe, since you posted this screed, what is YOUR suggestion?

Barbara

Hi Barbara -

I didn't post this excellent article to suggest 'solutions' but to
illustrate the march of fascism across our once great land.

Oh, real news. Okay then. 0:]

Power to the ninnies. lol.

One of the great things about this country and it's system is the
intent of the founders to have it rest on tension between factions.
They learned this, I think, most powerfully as the pre-debates around
centralized vs decentralized states rights government raged between
thinkers.

Hence we have this disconcerting (to some) seesawing back and forth
around just about any human issue one can think of... with the means
built in for one or the other to have the power, PERIODICALLY, if it's
a close call issue.

We see it in our system of elections for certain offices, and not for
others.

We see it in a bureaucracy that still has to answer to the people both
directly and through the OTHER two branches of government when one is
the problem.

What does all of this have to do with the COPS in those schools
roughing up students and teachers needlessly, false arrest
and "the brotherhood" threats after a cop got caught for it?
Or the needless and counterproductive surly behavior
and obscene language?

Sadly, metal detectors do seem to be called for in many schools.

The other NAZI like behaviors are not going to enhance
quality of life or endear citizens to the Police or government.
The NAZI like behaviors prove beyond a shadow of doubt
that Law Enforcement Officers can actually be worse than
the thugs they are supposedly an antidote for.

I can charge the executive to enforce laws broken by either of the
other two, and I can put, via law, those in any of the three in fact,
facing the judicial. I can lobby AND I can vote IN and OUT my
representatives in the legislative.

I see you made no mention of "beauty contest" effects in elections
or the way the two parties are blurred together to the point they
are almost not distiguishable from each other.

I think our government and legal code has reached such a
high level of complexity that even if every bureaucrat
were a brain surgeon, they could not manage it all by the code.

And they sure as hell are not brain surgeons.

Man it's clumsy, isn't it....but it's got what I think of as big
feet...a broad foundation that so far has not fallen, and when it
totters, I can make it teeter right back up.

Megalomania again? Like Atlas you PERSONALLY hold up the world?

We've done it successfully for 250 years or so.

Isn't that reason enough to be much more cautious
about choking ourselves with more laws, more socialism,
more government and more bureaucracy?

Or straying too far from the Bill Of Rights guarantees
because a politically appealing expansion of
Social Bureaucracy on a crusade would be hindered?

So be not alarmed, my son, for neither rampant fascism, nor lunatic
liberalism, will prevail for any great length of time.

Translation: Your personal brand of politics is going to push
the fascists and the liberals out, right?

Or are you going to ""infiltrate"" them and destroy those
who won't worship you?

Blessing. Kane

A Blessing from an avowed atheist? Damn peculiar!
Perhaps you think you are a new God, seeking adherents?

Greegor wrote:
On Jun 19, 2:01 pm, "0:-]" wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:35:21 -0400, Joe wrote:
Barbara wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:36 pm, Joe wrote:
The New Empire
Coming soon to a school near you.
SNIP
From the New York Post:
"Students checked more than 1,500 guns, knives and other dangerous
items at the door at New York City schools this year - down 18 percent
from last year.
"From July 1, 2006, to June 10 of this year, cops netted 353 weapons -
including guns and knives - from city schools. They also confiscated
1,340 "dangerous instruments," including penknives, imitation guns,
laser pointers and pipes."
I don't think that armed police officers and metal detectors are the
answer to this problem. But I sure as heck don't think that removing
them is going to create some sort of utopian dream school.
So, Joe, since you posted this screed, what is YOUR suggestion?
Barbara
Hi Barbara -
I didn't post this excellent article to suggest 'solutions' but to
illustrate the march of fascism across our once great land.
Oh, real news. Okay then. 0:]

Power to the ninnies. lol.
One of the great things about this country and it's system is the
intent of the founders to have it rest on tension between factions.
They learned this, I think, most powerfully as the pre-debates around
centralized vs decentralized states rights government raged between
thinkers.

Hence we have this disconcerting (to some) seesawing back and forth
around just about any human issue one can think of... with the means
built in for one or the other to have the power, PERIODICALLY, if it's
a close call issue.

We see it in our system of elections for certain offices, and not for
others.

We see it in a bureaucracy that still has to answer to the people both
directly and through the OTHER two branches of government when one is
the problem.

What does all of this have to do with the COPS in those schools
roughing up students and teachers needlessly, false arrest
and "the brotherhood" threats after a cop got caught for it?
Or the needless and counterproductive surly behavior
and obscene language?

Sadly, metal detectors do seem to be called for in many schools.

The other NAZI like behaviors are not going to enhance
quality of life or endear citizens to the Police or government.
The NAZI like behaviors prove beyond a shadow of doubt
that Law Enforcement Officers can actually be worse than
the thugs they are supposedly an antidote for.

I can charge the executive to enforce laws broken by either of the
other two, and I can put, via law, those in any of the three in fact,
facing the judicial. I can lobby AND I can vote IN and OUT my
representatives in the legislative.

I see you made no mention of "beauty contest" effects in elections
or the way the two parties are blurred together to the point they
are almost not distiguishable from each other.

I think our government and legal code has reached such a
high level of complexity that even if every bureaucrat
were a brain surgeon, they could not manage it all by the code.

And they sure as hell are not brain surgeons.

Man it's clumsy, isn't it....but it's got what I think of as big
feet...a broad foundation that so far has not fallen, and when it
totters, I can make it teeter right back up.

Megalomania again? Like Atlas you PERSONALLY hold up the world?

We've done it successfully for 250 years or so.

Isn't that reason enough to be much more cautious
about choking ourselves with more laws, more socialism,
more government and more bureaucracy?

Or straying too far from the Bill Of Rights guarantees
because a politically appealing expansion of
Social Bureaucracy on a crusade would be hindered?

So be not alarmed, my son, for neither rampant fascism, nor lunatic
liberalism, will prevail for any great length of time.

Translation: Your personal brand of politics is going to push
the fascists and the liberals out, right?

Or are you going to ""infiltrate"" them and destroy those
who won't worship you?

Blessing. Kane

A Blessing from an avowed atheist? Damn peculiar!
Perhaps you think you are a new God, seeking adherents?


The way he rants OT - sometimes I think he has help form AI.

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