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Another study finds flu shots ineffective: but can cod liver oil help prevent the flu ?
Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective
'COMMENT: In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is advocated: babies," middle aged adults and the elderly" source http://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.c...tiveagain.html But was your grandmother right should you take you cod liver oil and get some sun to avoid the flu? Evidently from "Epidemiology and Infection "http://journals.cambridge.org/action/ displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=469543 "Epidemic influenza and vitamin D" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- J. J. CANNELL a1c1, R. VIETH a2, J. C. UMHAU a3, M. F. HOLICK a4, W. B. GRANT a5, S. MADRONICH a6, C. F. GARLAND a7 and E. GIOVANNUCCI a8 a1 Atascadero State Hospital, 10333 El Camino Real, Atascadero, CA, USA a2 Mount Sinai Hospital, Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Department of Medicine, Toronto, Ontario, Canada a3 Laboratory of Clinical and Translational Studies, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD a4 Departments of Medicine and Physiology, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, MA, USA a5 SUNARC, San Francisco, CA, USA a6 Atmospheric Chemistry Division, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO, USA a7 Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, University of California San Diego, La Jolla, CA, USA a8 Departments of Nutrition and Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA, USA Abstract In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposed that a 'seasonal stimulus' intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the 'oxidative burst' potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson's 'seasonal stimulus'. (Accepted August 5 2006) A fuller explanation of this study here http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/newsl...2006-oct.shtml Works for me .Thanks Vince |
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Another study finds flu shots ineffective: but can cod liver oil help prevent the flu ?
On Oct 27, 7:20 am, bigvince wrote:
Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective 'COMMENT: In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is advocated: babies," middle aged adults and the elderly" sourcehttp://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.com/2007/10/flu-shot-proven-to-be-... But was your grandmother right should you take you cod liver oil and get some sun to avoid the flu? Evidently from "Epidemiology and Infection "http://journals.cambridge.org/action/ displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=469543 "Epidemic influenza and vitamin D" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- J. J. CANNELL a1c1, R. VIETH a2, J. C. UMHAU a3, M. F. HOLICK a4, W. B. GRANT a5, S. MADRONICH a6, C. F. GARLAND a7 and E. GIOVANNUCCI a8 a1 Atascadero State Hospital, 10333 El Camino Real, Atascadero, CA, USA a2 Mount Sinai Hospital, Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Department of Medicine, Toronto, Ontario, Canada a3 Laboratory of Clinical and Translational Studies, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD a4 Departments of Medicine and Physiology, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, MA, USA a5 SUNARC, San Francisco, CA, USA a6 Atmospheric Chemistry Division, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO, USA a7 Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, University of California San Diego, La Jolla, CA, USA a8 Departments of Nutrition and Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA, USA Abstract In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposed that a 'seasonal stimulus' intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the 'oxidative burst' potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson's 'seasonal stimulus'. (Accepted August 5 2006) A fuller explanation of this study herehttp://www.vitamindcouncil.com/newsletter/2006-oct.shtml Works for me .Thanks Vince Cod liver oil is a poor supplement for vitamin D as the ratio of D3 to vitamin A is far too low. A good vitamin A and D supplement should contain at least an international unit of D3 for every unit of vitamin A. Indeed, a bit more would be better. To get 4000 IU of D from cod liver oil would result in an excessive dose of vitamin A in the neighborhood 40,000 or 50,000 IU. If you go to the link Vince provided you'll see 4000 or 5000 IU (of vitamin D3) is dose needed by many for at least part of the year. |
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Another study finds flu shots ineffective: but can cod liver oil help prevent the flu ?
Smallpox vax was for poor sanitation, same old story.
We proposed that annual fluctuations in vitamin D levels explain the seasonality of influenza........which cause recurrent and predictable wintertime vitamin D deficiency, predispose human populations to influenza epidemics. We raised the possibility that influenza is a symptom of vitamin D deficiency in the same way that an unusual form of pneumonia (pneumocystis carinii) is a symptom of AIDS. That is, we theorized that George Bernard Shaw was right when he said, "the characteristic microbe of a disease might be a symptom instead of a cause." Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D By J. J. Cannell http://www.whale.to/a/cannell.html wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 27, 7:20 am, bigvince wrote: Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective 'COMMENT: In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is advocated: babies," middle aged adults and the elderly" sourcehttp://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.com/2007/10/flu-shot-proven-to-be-... But was your grandmother right should you take you cod liver oil and get some sun to avoid the flu? Evidently from "Epidemiology and Infection "http://journals.cambridge.org/action/ displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=469543 "Epidemic influenza and vitamin D" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- J. J. CANNELL a1c1, R. VIETH a2, J. C. UMHAU a3, M. F. HOLICK a4, W. B. GRANT a5, S. MADRONICH a6, C. F. GARLAND a7 and E. GIOVANNUCCI a8 a1 Atascadero State Hospital, 10333 El Camino Real, Atascadero, CA, USA a2 Mount Sinai Hospital, Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Department of Medicine, Toronto, Ontario, Canada a3 Laboratory of Clinical and Translational Studies, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD a4 Departments of Medicine and Physiology, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, MA, USA a5 SUNARC, San Francisco, CA, USA a6 Atmospheric Chemistry Division, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO, USA a7 Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, University of California San Diego, La Jolla, CA, USA a8 Departments of Nutrition and Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA, USA Abstract In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposed that a 'seasonal stimulus' intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the 'oxidative burst' potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson's 'seasonal stimulus'. (Accepted August 5 2006) A fuller explanation of this study herehttp://www.vitamindcouncil.com/newsletter/2006-oct.shtml Works for me .Thanks Vince Cod liver oil is a poor supplement for vitamin D as the ratio of D3 to vitamin A is far too low. A good vitamin A and D supplement should contain at least an international unit of D3 for every unit of vitamin A. Indeed, a bit more would be better. To get 4000 IU of D from cod liver oil would result in an excessive dose of vitamin A in the neighborhood 40,000 or 50,000 IU. If you go to the link Vince provided you'll see 4000 or 5000 IU (of vitamin D3) is dose needed by many for at least part of the year. |
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Another study finds flu shots ineffective: but can cod liver oil help prevent the flu ?
"JOHN" wrote in message ... Smallpox vax was for poor sanitation, same old story. Are you saying that smallpox was eliminated by better sanitation?. How, then, did vaccination eliminate smallpox in India and Africa? Sanitation is mainly only relevant to the transmission of enteric viruses such as cholera and typhoid, by protecting drinking water sources. Good sanitation quite obviously does not reduce epidemics of non-enteric infections such as colds, flu (and smallpox). Every American can observe this for themselves.. We proposed that annual fluctuations in vitamin D levels explain the seasonality of influenza........which cause recurrent and predictable wintertime vitamin D deficiency, predispose human populations to influenza epidemics. We raised the possibility that influenza is a symptom of vitamin D deficiency in the same way that an unusual form of pneumonia (pneumocystis carinii) is a symptom of AIDS. That is, we theorized that George Bernard Shaw was right when he said, "the characteristic microbe of a disease might be a symptom instead of a cause." Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D By J. J. Cannell Well, in Queensland we have sunny weather all year round and we still get the flu. Recent conventional medical research suggests some unexpected roles for Vitamin D in the prevention of cancer and other matters, and those peddling vitamins have had to sit up and take notice. Is Vitamin D, previously largely ignored by "alternative" medicine, now to become the "alternative" vitamin du jour, just as Vitamin C was touted as the answer to all human ills a mere twnety years ago? Be careful with this vitamin folks, it is definitely harmful in large doses throught increased calcium absorption. PM http://www.whale.to/a/cannell.html wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 27, 7:20 am, bigvince wrote: Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective 'COMMENT: In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is advocated: babies," middle aged adults and the elderly" sourcehttp://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.com/2007/10/flu-shot-proven-to-be-... But was your grandmother right should you take you cod liver oil and get some sun to avoid the flu? Evidently from "Epidemiology and Infection "http://journals.cambridge.org/action/ displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=469543 "Epidemic influenza and vitamin D" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- J. J. CANNELL a1c1, R. VIETH a2, J. C. UMHAU a3, M. F. HOLICK a4, W. B. GRANT a5, S. MADRONICH a6, C. F. GARLAND a7 and E. GIOVANNUCCI a8 a1 Atascadero State Hospital, 10333 El Camino Real, Atascadero, CA, USA a2 Mount Sinai Hospital, Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Department of Medicine, Toronto, Ontario, Canada a3 Laboratory of Clinical and Translational Studies, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD a4 Departments of Medicine and Physiology, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, MA, USA a5 SUNARC, San Francisco, CA, USA a6 Atmospheric Chemistry Division, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO, USA a7 Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, University of California San Diego, La Jolla, CA, USA a8 Departments of Nutrition and Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA, USA Abstract In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposed that a 'seasonal stimulus' intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the 'oxidative burst' potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson's 'seasonal stimulus'. (Accepted August 5 2006) A fuller explanation of this study herehttp://www.vitamindcouncil.com/newsletter/2006-oct.shtml Works for me .Thanks Vince Cod liver oil is a poor supplement for vitamin D as the ratio of D3 to vitamin A is far too low. A good vitamin A and D supplement should contain at least an international unit of D3 for every unit of vitamin A. Indeed, a bit more would be better. To get 4000 IU of D from cod liver oil would result in an excessive dose of vitamin A in the neighborhood 40,000 or 50,000 IU. If you go to the link Vince provided you'll see 4000 or 5000 IU (of vitamin D3) is dose needed by many for at least part of the year. |
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Another study finds flu shots ineffective: but can cod liver oil help prevent the flu ?
On Oct 27, 9:20 am, bigvince wrote:
Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/14/1373 concludes: "Achieving optimal success in preventing and controlling influenza among the elderly may require more immunogenic vaccines and new strategies that induce greater levels of herd immunity and thereby interrupt influenza transmission in communities. More effective vaccines for the elderly are under development but have not yet been approved for use in the United States. Vaccination of children in the United States has been associated with reductions in illness in households41 and in the community,42 and in Japan with lower mortality rates among the elderly.43 However, these studies are not conclusive, 44,45 and additional research is needed to define the benefits among the elderly that might be realized from vaccinating children. In the meantime, vaccination rates of elderly persons remain stagnant and well below the 2010 goal of 90%.3 Even as we wait for new vaccines and new strategies, patients, their health care providers, and policymakers should renew efforts to improve the delivery of current influenza vaccines to this high-priority group. Hospitalizations and deaths will be prevented if we can succeed." -- Ron |
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Another study finds flu shots ineffective: but can cod liver oil help prevent the flu ?
ClearOn Oct 27, 1:42 pm, "Peter Moran"
wrote: "JOHN" wrote in message ... Smallpox vax was for poor sanitation, same old story. Are you saying that smallpox was eliminated by better sanitation?. How, then, did vaccination eliminate smallpox in India and Africa? Sanitation is mainly only relevant to the transmission of enteric viruses such as cholera and typhoid, by protecting drinking water sources. Good sanitation quite obviously does not reduce epidemics of non-enteric infections such as colds, flu (and smallpox). Every American can observe this for themselves.. Well, in Queensland we have sunny weather all year round and we still get the flu. Such is a good point. Though it should be noted that even it such climates people often have rather low serum 25 OH vitamin D levels due to indoors living or how they dress or just the effect of aging on the skin and it ability to convert cholesterol into the provitamin. It would be interesting to see the number for age, morbidity, and mortality from influneza and then compare the serum 25 OH vitamin D3 levels in such a land as yours. Recent conventional medical research suggests some unexpected roles for Vitamin D in the prevention of cancer and other matters, and those peddling vitamins have had to sit up and take notice. Is Vitamin D, previously largely ignored by "alternative" medicine, now to become the "alternative" vitamin du jour, just as Vitamin C was touted as the answer to all human ills a mere twnety years ago? Be careful with this vitamin folks, it is definitely harmful in large doses throught increased calcium absorption. It takes huge doses in number of international units for this to be a problem in most in the population. For most it will likely take huge doses plus lots of sun to reach a problem levels. Your concern is overblown. Don't get me wrong it would NOT for example suggest rPTH therapy and high dose vitamin D as a wise action. Vitamins do need to studied in combination with related chemicals i.e. vitamin C with flavonoids and antioxidants. There are issue of antioxidant recycling that come into play. Lester Packer had a nice discussion of the antioxidant network in a couple of journals some years ago. Vitamins E, K, D, A all have interlocking properties such that vitamin E status affects vitamin K levels in personal with marginal standard diets, vitamin D and A have somewhat opposing actions, vitamin K helps to prevent ectopic calcifications, etc. Nor should vitamins and diet be seen as the only knob that should be turned and altered. Pete there are excesses on both sides. Pete the problem with your side is that it seeks to shove it point of view down the throats of the rest of the population by force of law. Rather than permitting the market place of ideas to sort out the issues with time (generations) and ample research at all the doses and combinations possible. Hopefully we can carefully avoid your positions on all issues even those where you are right as even there you are more wrong than right. I do agree with you that JOHN is a nut even when he is right. If JOHN didn't exist you'd need to create him as a strawman. Trig PM http://www.whale.to/a/cannell.html wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 27, 7:20 am, bigvince wrote: Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective 'COMMENT: In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is advocated: babies," middle aged adults and the elderly" sourcehttp://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.com/2007/10/flu-shot-proven-to-be-... But was your grandmother right should you take you cod liver oil and get some sun to avoid the flu? Evidently from "Epidemiology and Infection "http://journals.cambridge.org/action/ displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=469543 "Epidemic influenza and vitamin D" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------**----- J. J. CANNELL a1c1, R. VIETH a2, J. C. UMHAU a3, M. F. HOLICK a4, W. B. GRANT a5, S. MADRONICH a6, C. F. GARLAND a7 and E. GIOVANNUCCI a8 a1 Atascadero State Hospital, 10333 El Camino Real, Atascadero, CA, USA a2 Mount Sinai Hospital, Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Department of Medicine, Toronto, Ontario, Canada a3 Laboratory of Clinical and Translational Studies, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD a4 Departments of Medicine and Physiology, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, MA, USA a5 SUNARC, San Francisco, CA, USA a6 Atmospheric Chemistry Division, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO, USA a7 Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, University of California San Diego, La Jolla, CA, USA a8 Departments of Nutrition and Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA, USA Abstract In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposed that a 'seasonal stimulus' intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the 'oxidative burst' potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson's 'seasonal stimulus'. (Accepted August 5 2006) A fuller explanation of this study herehttp://www.vitamindcouncil.com/newsletter/2006-oct.shtml Works for me .Thanks Vince Cod liver oil is a poor supplement for vitamin D as the ratio of D3 to vitamin A is far too low. A good vitamin A and D supplement should contain at least an international unit of D3 for every unit of vitamin A. Indeed, a bit more would be better. To get 4000 IU of D from cod liver oil would result in an excessive dose of vitamin A in the neighborhood 40,000 or 50,000 IU. If you go to the link Vince provided you'll see 4000 or 5000 IU (of vitamin D3) is dose needed by many for at least part of the year. |
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Another study finds flu shots ineffective: but can cod liver oil help prevent the flu ?
On Oct 27, 5:42 pm, "Peter Moran" wrote:
"JOHN" wrote in message ... Smallpox vax was for poor sanitation, same old story. Peter the moron replied: Are you saying that smallpox was eliminated by better sanitation?. How, then, did vaccination eliminate smallpox in India and Africa? Your informantion is lacking. If you were to look at the medical reports of the British army concerning smallpox in India, you would quickly learn that vaccination had NO effect. The only action that controlled the smallpox was SANITATION. Sanitation is mainly only relevant to the transmission of enteric viruses such as cholera and typhoid, by protecting drinking water sources. Good sanitation quite obviously does not reduce epidemics of non-enteric infections such as colds, flu (and smallpox). Every American can observe this for themselves.. And every American can see you do not know what you are talking about. Colds and flus are not "caught" nor "contagious." A cold or the flu is a "healing response" conducted by a vital, living , organism in an effort to eliminate accumulated toxins and poisons within the organic system. Sanitation can have no "effect" on such an occurance since the poisons are "internal" and not "external." Well, in Queensland we have sunny weather all year round and we still get the flu. Yep, the flu is a "healing effort" on the part of a living, vital organism. The flu has nothing to do with some bogus virus and only something to do with the lack of vitamin D and other needed nutritents. PM Yep, PM still stand for Peter the Moron. DrCee Not a member of the medical monopoly Not a member of the church of modern medicine |
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Another study finds flu shots ineffective: but can cod liver oil help prevent the flu ?
On Oct 27, 9:03 pm, Ron Peterson wrote:
On Oct 27, 9:20 am, bigvince wrote: Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...1373concludes: "Achieving optimal success in preventing and controlling influenza among the elderly may require more immunogenic vaccines and new strategies that induce greater levels of herd immunity and thereby interrupt influenza transmission in communities. More effective vaccines for the elderly are under development but have not yet been approved for use in the United States. Vaccination of children in the United States has been associated with reductions in illness in households41 and in the community,42 and in Japan with lower mortality rates among the elderly.43 However, these studies are not conclusive, 44,45 and additional research is needed to define the benefits among the elderly that might be realized from vaccinating children. In the meantime, vaccination rates of elderly persons remain stagnant and well below the 2010 goal of 90%.3 Even as we wait for new vaccines and new strategies, patients, their health care providers, and policymakers should renew efforts to improve the delivery of current influenza vaccines to this high-priority group. Hospitalizations and deaths will be prevented if we can succeed." -- Ron Other experts differ.... Flu Vaccine Has No Benefits for the Elderly DG news "LONDON, U.K. -- October 23, 2007 -- A study published online in the journal Vaccine found the influenza vaccine had no impact on emergency admissions in the elderly."...... .....' Vaccinated patients had a non-significant 20% increase in risk of admission.' .....The research fuels growing doubts over the effectiveness of flu vaccination, following a recent review in The Lancet Infectious Diseases that claimed the supporting evidence had been 'greatly exaggerated' .....'Jo Haynes, Editor of Pulse, said: 'Each year, GPs face weeks of frantically busy flu clinics in order to make sure everyone eligible is vaccinated. It's a stressful and extremely expensive business, and doctors and patients need to know that the whole process is worthwhile. It's time ministers took notice of the growing doubts over flu vaccination, and commissioned a large-scale trial to sort out once and for all whether vaccination works.' |
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Another study finds flu shots ineffective: but can cod liver oil help prevent the flu ?
On Oct 30, 10:50 am, bigvince wrote:
Other experts differ.... Then post the academic journal paper that says people shouldn't get flu shots. Your first link in this thread lead to article http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/con...07elderly.html which states: "Overall, this study provides additional support for the current strategy to vaccinate elderly adults," Treanor asserts. The methodologic issues are important, and the precise magnitude of the benefits of vaccination is not yet clear, but it is clear that vaccination is beneficial and should be used widely, he adds. -- Ron |
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On Oct 30, 1:34 pm, Ron Peterson wrote:
Your first link in this thread lead to articlehttp://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/oct09... which states: "Overall, this study provides additional support for the current strategy to vaccinate elderly adults," Treanor asserts. The methodologic issues are important, and the precise magnitude of the benefits of vaccination is not yet clear, but it is clear that vaccination is beneficial and should be used widely, he adds. -- Ron Geez Ron just go to the link you refered to .Here's what it said in part Fresh doubts, new support for flu shots for seniors Robert Roos News Editor Oct 9, 2007 (CIDRAP News) - In quick succession, the view that influenza shots yield life-saving benefits for elderly people has come under serious attack and received fresh support in recent weeks. One group of experts, writing in the October issue of Lancet Infectious Diseases, argued that the mortality benefits of flu shots for the elderly have been greatly exaggerated because of a subtle bias and other methodologic problems in many of the relevant studies. "The remaining evidence base is currently insufficient to indicate the magnitude of the mortality benefit, if any, that elderly people derive from the vaccination programme," says the analysis by Lone Simonsen, PhD, of George Washington University in Washington, DC, and colleagues. But in the Oct 4 New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), another team of experts presented a study showing that in the course of up to 10 flu seasons, flu shots reduced the risk of hospitalization for pneumonia and flu by 27% and shrank the risk of death by 48% for elderly members of three health maintenance organizations (HMOs). The study addresses several of the methodologic problems raised by the Lancet authors. ......... .............Shay said the CDC is contemplating a special initiative to help resolve the controversy over the value of flu immunization for seniors. "Sometime in 2008 the CDC hopes to get together a panel of consultants to bring about ways to move forward and find ways to resolve this controversy," he said. By assembling experts from the different camps, the agency hopes to come up with recommendations to guide the next series of studies, he said. Simonsen L, Taylor RJ, Viboud C, et al. Mortality benefits of influenza vaccination in elderly people: an ongoing controversy. Lancet Infect Dis 2007 Oct;7:658-66 [Abstract] Jefferson T, Di Pietrantonj C. Inactivated influenza vaccines in the elderly-are you sure? (Editorial) Lancet 2007 Oct 6;370(9594): 1199-1200 Nichol KL, Nordin JD, Nelson DB, et al. Effectiveness of influenza vaccine in the community-dwelling elderly. N Engl J Med 2007 Oct 4;357(14):1373-81 [Full text] Treanor JD. Influenza-the goal of control. (Editorial) N Engl J Med 2007 Oct 4;357(14):1439-41 [Full text] As for the abstact Right there. From the same link Simonsen L, Taylor RJ, Viboud C, et al. Mortality benefits of influenza vaccination in elderly people: an ongoing controversy. Lancet Infect Dis 2007 Oct;7:658-66 [Abstract] Just click on it. Thanks Vince |
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