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Why 3 different shots for MMR?
Some people want baby to have 3 separate M - M - R shots. Why? If they
fear a reaction, wouldnt it be the same chance since the ingredients would be the same in each separate as compared to the one MMR? Please advise. Thanks |
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Why 3 different shots for MMR?
"Jay" wrote in message . net...
Some people want baby to have 3 separate M - M - R shots. Why? If they fear a reaction, wouldnt it be the same chance since the ingredients would be the same in each separate as compared to the one MMR? The one advantage is that if there was a reaction you would know which component did it and be able to give the other two with more safety. I think this is a small gain that is more than outweighed by the big negative of needing 6 trips to get the vaccine rather than two. Most of the people I have seen asking about it have not even been this rational. They usually list a fear of the combined vaccines being too much stimulation for the immune system to take all at once. This, of course, supposes rather implausible idea that the immune system can only handle one exposure at a time and ignores that fact that the vast mnajority of these kids have already had multiple occassions of exposure to several vaccine son one day when much younger. Some believe that the combined shot is more likely to cause autism or some other problems despite the fact that there is no plausible reason that this might be the case. -- CBI, MD |
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Why 3 different shots for MMR?
"Jay" wrote in message . net...
Some people want baby to have 3 separate M - M - R shots. Why? If they fear a reaction, wouldnt it be the same chance since the ingredients would be the same in each separate as compared to the one MMR? Please advise. Thanks 3 at once is a bit much for the immune system which is why you get autism more from the triple than the 3 solo. Informed parents don't use either http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html "As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the HepB vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility (probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic spectrum disorder."---Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D |
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Why 3 different shots for MMR?
(PF Riley) wrote in message
Hypothesis: MMR and mercury cause autism. Problem: Evidence contradicts this theory. "Evidnce" in your case is Propaganda: 1. You need to get the leading independent autism expert on side first: "The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes from a number of directions. One direction that's been largely ignored are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there's one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There's just converging evidence from many, many directions."-- (Nov 2002) Bernard Rimland PhD http://www.whale.to/v/rimland2.html 2. the evidence of hundreds of parents with video to back it up IS GOOD EVIDENCE. It is propaganda to say it isn't. With a jury, not some bought and paid for judge, (not to mention all the bought experts) you wouldn't stand a chance. 3. The studies you produce are just propaganda: "Dr. Rimland also took the opportunity to comment on the controversial Danish study, rejecting it as "another propaganda piece intended to assuage the public's concerns rather than shed light on the MMR-Autism connection." http://www.whale.to/a/danish.html The great Finnish study was financed by Merck! http://www.whale.to/v/mmr37.html The great Taylor study--he wont even show anyone his workings! http://www.whale.to/v/taylor1.html " The Taylor study is seriously flawed in many ways, as had been noted in a number of letters to the editor of The Lancet and in a number of additional letters on the subject which have been posted on the internet. It was subject to strong attack at a recent meeting of the British Statistical Society. I have been a full-time researcher my entire professional life, for almost 50 years, and I respectfully asked Dr. Taylor for a copy of the data so that I could reanalyze them. He refused this ordinary professional courtesy, and I have subsequently written to the editor of The Lancet requesting that an impartial committee be asked to reexamine Dr. Taylor's statistical methods. If he refuses again, I urged The Lancet to retract his paper."--Dr Rimland 4. the scientists actually STUDYING THE CHILDREN, like Wakefield say it is UNSAFE. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr58.html And you want to believe some fraudulent or junk science studies that only study STATISTICS. "Cawadias (1953) has said that "the history of medicine has shown that, whenever medicine has strayed from clinical observation, the result has been chaos, stagnation, and disaster."--British Medical Journal, Oct 8th, 1955, p.867 (Quoted in Clinical Medical Discoveries by Beddow Bayly) 5. Parents usually believe your industry actually is after the TRUTH. LOL, when did the vaccine/drug industry ever give a toss about the truth when it comes to a trillion $$ industry? The poor mugs think you did all those studies on STATISTICS to uncover the truth!!! "Epidemiology is like a bikini. What is revealed is interesting. What is concealed is crucial" We all know they lie like dogs every day. They say here MMR doesn't KILL when they have paid out for MMR deaths, and so on. They use cheap propaganda ploys like "authority" almost daily. 6. Remember the last one they withdrew as UNSAFE http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr15.html Gives you great confidence in what they say on this one doesn't it pharma boy? How the government vaccine spokespeople take funding from the MMR makers. Wow, that sure gives me confidence in what they say. Our vaccine committee reads like a drug company employee list http://www.doh.gov.uk/jcvi/interests.htm 7. Remember how they withdrew it YEARS after they knew it was unsafe? "I believe the documents clearly reveal how the central government hid undesirable data and delayed discontinuation of the (MMR) vaccine," lawyer Tatsuro Shigemura said."--Media 2002 8. How the Japanese wont use MMR as they consider it UNSAFE and single vaccines safer http://www.whale.to/v/mmrjapan1.html Solution: Make up new "facts" to support your hypothesis rather than reject the hypothesis. (And don't bother to prove the new "facts.") 9. And pharamboy why wont you use vitamin C which will prevent deaths? 10. And you never proved measles vaccine eliminated measles deaths anyway as deaths had declined by 99.4% before vaccination I could go on but you get the picture The great laugh about your flat earth story is that you have never found what causes autism but you somehow know it isn't vaccines. The Emperor is stark staring naked and it is not a pretty sight. I have found a drawing of your Sacred Cow by the way http://www.whale.to/v/vaccination.html I worship Truth pharmaboy, not some cow. Get a new totem Oh and just because you keep repeating the mantra "studies ahve shown MMR doesn't cause autism" doesn't make it so, it's just "repetition propaganda ploy" john "Physicians have taken the place of priests; vaccination plays the same initiatory role as baptism, and is accompanied by the same threats and fears; the search for health has replaced the quest for salvation; the fight against disease has replaced the fight against sin; eradication of viruses has taken the place of exorcising demons; the hope of physical immortality (cloning, genetic engineering) has been substituted for the hope of eternal life; pills have replaced the sacrament of bread and wine; donations to cancer research take precedence over donations to the church; a hypothetical universal vaccine could save humanity from all its illnesses, as the Saviour has saved the world from all its sins; the medical power has become the government's ally, as was the Catholic Church in the past; "charlatans" are persecuted today as "heretics" were yesterday; dogmatism rules out promising alternative medical theories; the same absence of individual responsibility is now found in medicine, as previously in the Christian religion; patients are alienated from their bodies, as sinners used to be from their souls."---Olivier Clerc The earth is flat, but the reason why boats seem to disappear at the horizon is because light waves bend downwards so very slightly that, at short distances, they appear to travel in straight lines, but at a great distance such as from a boat at the horizon, the light will bend down and contact the surface of the ocean, interrupting its travel, so that the boat will seem to disappear. Hypothesis: The earth is flat. Problem: Evidence contradicts this theory. Solution: Make up new "facts" to support your hypothesis rather than reject the hypothesis. (And don't bother to prove the new "facts.") PF |
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Why 3 different shots for MMR?
(CBI) wrote:
"Jay" wrote in message . net... Some people want baby to have 3 separate M - M - R shots. Why? If they fear a reaction, wouldnt it be the same chance since the ingredients would be the same in each separate as compared to the one MMR? The one advantage is that if there was a reaction you would know which component did it and be able to give the other two with more safety. I think this is a small gain that is more than outweighed by the big negative of needing 6 trips to get the vaccine rather than two. This is the reason that the anti-vaccination liars want separate injections. More doctors trips means more expense and inconvenience, and would therefore almost inevitably lead to fewer children having the full set of injections. This would assist the liars' agenda of having more children susceptible to preventable diseases. And if you don't think they want to see more dead children, join one of their mailing lists and see the joy at each announcement of another child dying of something like the flu. -- Peter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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Why 3 different shots for MMR?
(PF Riley) wrote in message ...
Let us analyze John's reply to my posting in the context of: Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Science [Reference A] http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ics/signs.html and Distinguishing Science and Pseudoscience [Reference B] http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...cs/pseudo.html Yawn. First warning sign, an article from a pseudo independent-from-industry site--quackwatch. A drug company front site. So it is written, effectively, by the vaccine/drug industry. Interesting as a piece of industry propaganda. Believe that if you want to be misled. Dr Victor Herbert, Stephen Barrett and William Jarvis are on the Scientific Board of the American Council on Science and Health. Founded in 1978, this organisation is funded solely by the large pharmaceutical and chemical companies, the AMA and industry supported Foundations. http://www.whale.to/a/quackwatch.html Let's begin! Yawn [A] The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to suppress his or her work. Gosh, we live in Noddy and Big Ears land where the trillion ££ medical industry would never dream of suppressing non-patentable (by them especially) drugs or cover up vaccine damage that would BUST their companies. Pity history proves otherwise http://www.whale.to/m/therapies.html NB: Wakefield had his funding withdrawn and had to leave his place of work. Also the funding for the MMR litigation was withdrawn (even though it's a pittance), also some MMR damaged childen were refused spinal taps in this country and had to go to the US. 1. You need to get the leading independent autism expert on side first: [b] Pseudoscience appeals to false authority... THE leading independent expert on autism a "false" authority. I don't think so. [b] Pseudoscience displays an indifference to facts. Yeah, that covers the fact 98% of allopathic drugs don't work. [A] Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal. Yes, an industry propaganda belief. No wonder they like to rubbish that. Ten or so anecdotal maybe, but hundreds or thousands of MMR damage. I don't think so Reams of pharma drivel deleted If you want to see some decent work on propaganda http://www.whale.to/m/map.html |
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Why 3 different shots for MMR?
(PF Riley) wrote in message ...
Let us analyze John's reply to my posting in the context of: Oh yeah, what were you saying. [b] Pseudoscience appeals to false authority... Like quackwatch industry articles. You can see the brainwashing in action he Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Science [Reference A] http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ics/signs.html and Distinguishing Science and Pseudoscience [Reference B] http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...cs/pseudo.html |
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