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Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security
Virginia Tech Shooting
At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until 9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one. In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will be many law suits. http://angelocracy.com/ http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/ |
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On Apr 17, 7:51 am, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote: Virginia Tech Shooting At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until 9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one. In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will be many law suits. http://angelocracy.com/ http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/ Hmmm...interesting thoughts. Anyone that knows the routine, as this STUDENT obviously did, can plan ahead, as this STUDENT obviously did (door chains, and filing serial numbers off two guns?), would be likely to also plan ahead to deal with locked doors. As it was, in two instances, I believe, just blocking the door stopped him from reentering a room he had just shot up. One by students using just their feet (two people I believe) and one using a large desk or cabinet, which he shot through but could not come through. This was a thoroughly americanized young man (came to the US at 8 years old). I'll bet you he knew his way around a hardware store or farm supply. I can think of three things, portable, that would take me through just about any classroom door in a split second from either kind of store...and no, I won't list them specifically. What happened at Virginia Tech is the same kind of bs that goes on wherever gun grabbers, and ignorance collide. People think a ban produces less opportunity to get a gun. It only takes ONE. The obvious answer is the one we "gun nuts" know perfectly well by statistical data analysis works. An armed citizenry reduces the 'urge' when the person knows he or she can be shot down by a legally armed citizen, and two, that care about that or not, the murderous rampage will stop when the murderer is down and or dead. No one could do it. Imagine if that janitor you heard talk about being shot at about five times, as he had to run away, had himself been properly armed, and fired back. Do a ng google on talk.politics.guns searching for "Tacoma Mall." The armed citizen was hit even BEFORE he could get a shot off, but the perp ran and hid and STOPPED SHOOTING PEOPLE. It is wonderfuly sobering to the crazy to get return fire. They may decide later to suicide by their own hand, but there is something about someone ELSE shooting at you that tends to slow the scenario down considerably. A couple of school shootings in England, under similar circumstances, that is that it was illegal to carry on schoolgrounds, ended with a paroxism of gun control. How's the UK doing today? MORE GUN RELATED AND OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME than ever before. This relatively peaceful nation, one of those with the LOWEST gun crime in the world, how has among the highest violent crime rates in the civilized, or Western, world. Thinking is the answer, not lockstep gun ban drooling. What the university missed was sending out ARMED patrols to monitor the other buildings quickly after the first incident of a killing. But like cops everywhere, when the action starts, they tend to "clump" at the site, then hang around getting their "hit" of adrenaline, yakkin' it up, instead of going back out immediately on patrol, or never coming to the incident site in the first place. In this time and place, where both criminals and terrorists KNOW how to create a situation to draw the cops off their primary target, or their secondary one for that matter, having ANY slowdown in patrols and changes in distribution of LE staff is totally stupid. My we are slow to learn, eh? Kane |
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On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote: Virginia Tech Shooting At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until 9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one. In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will be many law suits. http://angelocracy.com/ http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/ Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old stories from the USA. America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and guns. Self-made Nutters. |
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On Apr 17, 10:43 am, John Jones wrote:
On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com" wrote: Virginia Tech Shooting At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until 9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one. In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will be many law suits. http://angelocracy.com/ http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/ Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old stories from the USA. America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and guns. Self-made Nutters. Ah, so the Brits have figured out how to not have a mental health problem, and they don't have violent crime. Thanks for the heads up. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search Kane |
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On Apr 17, 8:20?pm, Kane wrote:
On Apr 17, 10:43 am, John Jones wrote: On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com" wrote: Virginia Tech Shooting At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until 9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one. In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will be many law suits. http://angelocracy.com/ http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/ Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old stories from the USA. America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and guns. Self-made Nutters. Ah, so the Brits have figured out how to not have a mental health problem, and they don't have violent crime. Thanks for the heads up. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search Kane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - America, put your toys away, put your cowboy suit in the attic chest, and say goodbye to your childhood. Those days are long gone, and now you are looking just a little bit silly. |
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On 17 Apr 2007 10:24:53 -0700, Kane wrote:
On Apr 17, 7:51 am, "Angelocracy.com" wrote: Virginia Tech Shooting At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. You know, it would be nice to spend some of the money for all that technology instead on getting some quality mental health services going on on these campuses then maybe tragedies like this wouldn't happen in the first place. Phin |
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On 17 Apr 2007 13:18:04 -0700, John Jones
wrote: On Apr 17, 8:20?pm, Kane wrote: On Apr 17, 10:43 am, John Jones wrote: On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com" wrote: Virginia Tech Shooting At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until 9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one. In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will be many law suits. http://angelocracy.com/ http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/ Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old stories from the USA. America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and guns. Self-made Nutters. Ah, so the Brits have figured out how to not have a mental health problem, and they don't have violent crime. Thanks for the heads up. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search Kane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - America, put your toys away, put your cowboy suit in the attic chest, and say goodbye to your childhood. Those days are long gone, and now you are looking just a little bit silly. Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way. Here, there be firearms available. Phin |
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On Apr 17, 9:27?pm, Phin wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 13:18:04 -0700, John Jones wrote: On Apr 17, 8:20?pm, Kane wrote: On Apr 17, 10:43 am, John Jones wrote: On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com" wrote: Virginia Tech Shooting At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until 9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one. In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will be many law suits. http://angelocracy.com/ http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/ Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old stories from the USA. America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and guns. Self-made Nutters. Ah, so the Brits have figured out how to not have a mental health problem, and they don't have violent crime. Thanks for the heads up. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search Kane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - America, put your toys away, put your cowboy suit in the attic chest, and say goodbye to your childhood. Those days are long gone, and now you are looking just a little bit silly. Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way. Here, there be firearms available. Phin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Godarn it thar boy! Pass the ammo cos ahrma gonna shoot it out like a man! ..Yeh. I saw a similar mentality in your film 'Judgement Day'. Corny and immature. |
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Angelocracy.com wrote:
Virginia Tech Shooting At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until 9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one. 2020 hindsight huh? Martin In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will be many law suits. http://angelocracy.com/ http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/ |
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Don't buy it. And I think that the Virginia Governor is an idiot for
showing such a pro-NRA stance. If one could only buy shotguns, then they would be harder to conceal and shoot up 32 people with. But they would be good for home defense. Since this guy was going to kill himself anyways, the fear of another person with a gun would not deter him. "Kane" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 17, 7:51 am, "Angelocracy.com" wrote: Virginia Tech Shooting At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also security cameras. The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until 9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one. In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will be many law suits. http://angelocracy.com/ http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/ Hmmm...interesting thoughts. Anyone that knows the routine, as this STUDENT obviously did, can plan ahead, as this STUDENT obviously did (door chains, and filing serial numbers off two guns?), would be likely to also plan ahead to deal with locked doors. As it was, in two instances, I believe, just blocking the door stopped him from reentering a room he had just shot up. One by students using just their feet (two people I believe) and one using a large desk or cabinet, which he shot through but could not come through. This was a thoroughly americanized young man (came to the US at 8 years old). I'll bet you he knew his way around a hardware store or farm supply. I can think of three things, portable, that would take me through just about any classroom door in a split second from either kind of store...and no, I won't list them specifically. What happened at Virginia Tech is the same kind of bs that goes on wherever gun grabbers, and ignorance collide. People think a ban produces less opportunity to get a gun. It only takes ONE. The obvious answer is the one we "gun nuts" know perfectly well by statistical data analysis works. An armed citizenry reduces the 'urge' when the person knows he or she can be shot down by a legally armed citizen, and two, that care about that or not, the murderous rampage will stop when the murderer is down and or dead. No one could do it. Imagine if that janitor you heard talk about being shot at about five times, as he had to run away, had himself been properly armed, and fired back. Do a ng google on talk.politics.guns searching for "Tacoma Mall." The armed citizen was hit even BEFORE he could get a shot off, but the perp ran and hid and STOPPED SHOOTING PEOPLE. It is wonderfuly sobering to the crazy to get return fire. They may decide later to suicide by their own hand, but there is something about someone ELSE shooting at you that tends to slow the scenario down considerably. A couple of school shootings in England, under similar circumstances, that is that it was illegal to carry on schoolgrounds, ended with a paroxism of gun control. How's the UK doing today? MORE GUN RELATED AND OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME than ever before. This relatively peaceful nation, one of those with the LOWEST gun crime in the world, how has among the highest violent crime rates in the civilized, or Western, world. Thinking is the answer, not lockstep gun ban drooling. What the university missed was sending out ARMED patrols to monitor the other buildings quickly after the first incident of a killing. But like cops everywhere, when the action starts, they tend to "clump" at the site, then hang around getting their "hit" of adrenaline, yakkin' it up, instead of going back out immediately on patrol, or never coming to the incident site in the first place. In this time and place, where both criminals and terrorists KNOW how to create a situation to draw the cops off their primary target, or their secondary one for that matter, having ANY slowdown in patrols and changes in distribution of LE staff is totally stupid. My we are slow to learn, eh? Kane |
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