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Old April 17th 07, 03:51 PM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
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Default Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security

Virginia Tech Shooting

At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.

The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.

http://angelocracy.com/

http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/

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Old April 17th 07, 06:24 PM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
Kane
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Default Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security

On Apr 17, 7:51 am, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote:
Virginia Tech Shooting

At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.

The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.

http://angelocracy.com/

http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/


Hmmm...interesting thoughts.

Anyone that knows the routine, as this STUDENT obviously did, can plan
ahead, as this STUDENT obviously did (door chains, and filing serial
numbers off two guns?), would be likely to also plan ahead to deal
with locked doors.

As it was, in two instances, I believe, just blocking the door stopped
him from reentering a room he had just shot up.

One by students using just their feet (two people I believe) and one
using a large desk or cabinet, which he shot through but could not
come through.

This was a thoroughly americanized young man (came to the US at 8
years old). I'll bet you he knew his way around a hardware store or
farm supply. I can think of three things, portable, that would take me
through just about any classroom door in a split second from either
kind of store...and no, I won't list them specifically.

What happened at Virginia Tech is the same kind of bs that goes on
wherever gun grabbers, and ignorance collide. People think a ban
produces less opportunity to get a gun.

It only takes ONE.

The obvious answer is the one we "gun nuts" know perfectly well by
statistical data analysis works. An armed citizenry reduces the 'urge'
when the person knows he or she can be shot down by a legally armed
citizen, and two, that care about that or not, the murderous rampage
will stop when the murderer is down and or dead.

No one could do it.

Imagine if that janitor you heard talk about being shot at about five
times, as he had to run away, had himself been properly armed, and
fired back.

Do a ng google on talk.politics.guns searching for "Tacoma Mall." The
armed citizen was hit even BEFORE he could get a shot off, but the
perp ran and hid and STOPPED SHOOTING PEOPLE.

It is wonderfuly sobering to the crazy to get return fire. They may
decide later to suicide by their own hand, but there is something
about someone ELSE shooting at you that tends to slow the scenario
down considerably.

A couple of school shootings in England, under similar circumstances,
that is that it was illegal to carry on schoolgrounds, ended with a
paroxism of gun control.

How's the UK doing today?

MORE GUN RELATED AND OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME than ever before.

This relatively peaceful nation, one of those with the LOWEST gun
crime in the world, how has among the highest violent crime rates in
the civilized, or Western, world.

Thinking is the answer, not lockstep gun ban drooling.

What the university missed was sending out ARMED patrols to monitor
the other buildings quickly after the first incident of a killing.

But like cops everywhere, when the action starts, they tend to "clump"
at the site, then hang around getting their "hit" of adrenaline,
yakkin' it up, instead of going back out immediately on patrol, or
never coming to the incident site in the first place.

In this time and place, where both criminals and terrorists KNOW how
to create a situation to draw the cops off their primary target, or
their secondary one for that matter, having ANY slowdown in patrols
and changes in distribution of LE staff is totally stupid.

My we are slow to learn, eh?

Kane

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Old April 17th 07, 06:43 PM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
John Jones
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Default Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security

On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote:
Virginia Tech Shooting

At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.

The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.

http://angelocracy.com/

http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/


Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old
stories from the USA.

America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and
guns. Self-made Nutters.

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Old April 17th 07, 08:20 PM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
Kane
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Default Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security

On Apr 17, 10:43 am, John Jones wrote:
On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote:







Virginia Tech Shooting


At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.


The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.


http://angelocracy.com/


http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/


Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old
stories from the USA.

America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and
guns. Self-made Nutters.



Ah, so the Brits have figured out how to not have a mental health
problem, and they don't have violent crime.

Thanks for the heads up.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Kane

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Old April 17th 07, 09:18 PM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
John Jones
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Default Virginia Tech Massacre and Campus Security

On Apr 17, 8:20?pm, Kane wrote:
On Apr 17, 10:43 am, John Jones wrote:





On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote:


Virginia Tech Shooting


At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.


The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.


http://angelocracy.com/


http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/


Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old
stories from the USA.


America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and
guns. Self-made Nutters.


Ah, so the Brits have figured out how to not have a mental health
problem, and they don't have violent crime.

Thanks for the heads up.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Kane- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


America, put your toys away, put your cowboy suit in the attic chest,
and say goodbye to your childhood. Those days are long gone, and now
you are looking just a little bit silly.

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Old April 17th 07, 09:25 PM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
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On 17 Apr 2007 10:24:53 -0700, Kane wrote:

On Apr 17, 7:51 am, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote:
Virginia Tech Shooting

At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.


You know, it would be nice to spend some of the money for all that
technology instead on getting some quality mental health services
going on on these campuses then maybe tragedies like this wouldn't
happen in the first place.

Phin
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Old April 17th 07, 09:27 PM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
Phin
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On 17 Apr 2007 13:18:04 -0700, John Jones
wrote:

On Apr 17, 8:20?pm, Kane wrote:
On Apr 17, 10:43 am, John Jones wrote:





On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote:


Virginia Tech Shooting


At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.


The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.


http://angelocracy.com/


http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/


Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old
stories from the USA.


America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and
guns. Self-made Nutters.


Ah, so the Brits have figured out how to not have a mental health
problem, and they don't have violent crime.

Thanks for the heads up.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Kane- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


America, put your toys away, put your cowboy suit in the attic chest,
and say goodbye to your childhood. Those days are long gone, and now
you are looking just a little bit silly.


Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way. Here, there be
firearms available.

Phin
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Old April 17th 07, 10:19 PM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
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On Apr 17, 9:27?pm, Phin wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 13:18:04 -0700, John Jones
wrote:





On Apr 17, 8:20?pm, Kane wrote:
On Apr 17, 10:43 am, John Jones wrote:


On Apr 17, 3:51?pm, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote:


Virginia Tech Shooting


At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.


The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.


http://angelocracy.com/


http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/


Boring. This clutters up the British news for days. The same old
stories from the USA.


America wants to mix prozac and guns? Well, now they got prozac and
guns. Self-made Nutters.


Ah, so the Brits have figured out how to not have a mental health
problem, and they don't have violent crime.


Thanks for the heads up.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search


Kane- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


America, put your toys away, put your cowboy suit in the attic chest,
and say goodbye to your childhood. Those days are long gone, and now
you are looking just a little bit silly.


Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way. Here, there be
firearms available.

Phin- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Godarn it thar boy! Pass the ammo cos ahrma gonna shoot it out like a
man! ..Yeh. I saw a similar mentality in your film 'Judgement Day'.
Corny and immature.

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Old April 18th 07, 12:35 AM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
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Angelocracy.com wrote:
Virginia Tech Shooting

At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.

The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.


2020 hindsight huh?

Martin

In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.

http://angelocracy.com/

http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/

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Old April 18th 07, 01:55 AM posted to alt.mothers,misc.kids,k12.chat.teacher,alt.support.autism,alt.support.attn-deficit
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Don't buy it. And I think that the Virginia Governor is an idiot for
showing such a pro-NRA stance. If one could only buy shotguns, then they
would be harder to conceal and shoot up 32 people with. But they would be
good for home defense. Since this guy was going to kill himself anyways,
the fear of another person with a gun would not deter him.


"Kane" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 17, 7:51 am, "Angelocracy.com"
wrote:
Virginia Tech Shooting

At Virginia Tech some of the students moved tables in front of the
door to try to keep the gunman from comming in. Because there was no
way to lock the door. A few years back there was a shooting at a
college or University in Canada. Can't remember the name of the
school. But today because of that shooting all class room doors at
that school can be lock and only a teacher can unlock them. The same
should be done at all schools here in the USA. Also there should be a
panic button in all classrooms and other parts of the schools. Also
security cameras.

The frist shooting happen at 7:15. The second happen at 9:45. There
was no alert sent out to students about the shooting at 7:15 until
9:26. People were still coming on to Virginia Tech. Students were
still make there way to class. After the 2 shooting at 9:45 a lock
down order was given about 15 min later. If a lock down order was
given right after the frist shooting at 7:15 the death toll would have
been much less. The school and the police drop the ball on this one.
In the weeks to come people will lose there jobs over this. There will
be many law suits.

http://angelocracy.com/

http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/


Hmmm...interesting thoughts.

Anyone that knows the routine, as this STUDENT obviously did, can plan
ahead, as this STUDENT obviously did (door chains, and filing serial
numbers off two guns?), would be likely to also plan ahead to deal
with locked doors.

As it was, in two instances, I believe, just blocking the door stopped
him from reentering a room he had just shot up.

One by students using just their feet (two people I believe) and one
using a large desk or cabinet, which he shot through but could not
come through.

This was a thoroughly americanized young man (came to the US at 8
years old). I'll bet you he knew his way around a hardware store or
farm supply. I can think of three things, portable, that would take me
through just about any classroom door in a split second from either
kind of store...and no, I won't list them specifically.

What happened at Virginia Tech is the same kind of bs that goes on
wherever gun grabbers, and ignorance collide. People think a ban
produces less opportunity to get a gun.

It only takes ONE.

The obvious answer is the one we "gun nuts" know perfectly well by
statistical data analysis works. An armed citizenry reduces the 'urge'
when the person knows he or she can be shot down by a legally armed
citizen, and two, that care about that or not, the murderous rampage
will stop when the murderer is down and or dead.

No one could do it.

Imagine if that janitor you heard talk about being shot at about five
times, as he had to run away, had himself been properly armed, and
fired back.

Do a ng google on talk.politics.guns searching for "Tacoma Mall." The
armed citizen was hit even BEFORE he could get a shot off, but the
perp ran and hid and STOPPED SHOOTING PEOPLE.

It is wonderfuly sobering to the crazy to get return fire. They may
decide later to suicide by their own hand, but there is something
about someone ELSE shooting at you that tends to slow the scenario
down considerably.

A couple of school shootings in England, under similar circumstances,
that is that it was illegal to carry on schoolgrounds, ended with a
paroxism of gun control.

How's the UK doing today?

MORE GUN RELATED AND OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME than ever before.

This relatively peaceful nation, one of those with the LOWEST gun
crime in the world, how has among the highest violent crime rates in
the civilized, or Western, world.

Thinking is the answer, not lockstep gun ban drooling.

What the university missed was sending out ARMED patrols to monitor
the other buildings quickly after the first incident of a killing.

But like cops everywhere, when the action starts, they tend to "clump"
at the site, then hang around getting their "hit" of adrenaline,
yakkin' it up, instead of going back out immediately on patrol, or
never coming to the incident site in the first place.

In this time and place, where both criminals and terrorists KNOW how
to create a situation to draw the cops off their primary target, or
their secondary one for that matter, having ANY slowdown in patrols
and changes in distribution of LE staff is totally stupid.

My we are slow to learn, eh?

Kane



 




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