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The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over



 
 
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Old December 7th 07, 04:07 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,sci.med,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Jan Drew
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Default The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

http://truthspace.wordpress.com/2007...hing-but-over/

The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away: You
lost.

The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded, and
using the government's police powers they attack those who
threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting
them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing
are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner

The FDA recently acknowledged that 90 percent of doctors do not report
vaccine reactions. They are choosing to subvert this law by claiming the
adverse event was, in their opinion, not related to the shot. In fact, every
year between 12,000 and 14,000 reports of adverse reactions to vaccines are
made to the FDA (data initially accessible only through the Freedom of
Information Act). These figures include hospitalizations, irreversible brain
damage, and hundreds of deaths. Considering that these numbers may represent
just 10 percent, the true figures could be as high as 140,000 adverse events
annually. However, even this figure could be conservative. According to Dr.
David Kessler, former head of the Food and Drug Administration, "Only about
1 percent of serious events [adverse drug reactions] are reported to the
FDA." Thus, it is entirely possible that millions of people are adversely
affected by mandatory vaccines every year.

http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1945
The Vaccine Experiment - In The Service of Good


  #2  
Old December 7th 07, 05:57 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,sci.med,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Peter Bowditch
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Default The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

"Jan Drew" wrote:

What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing
are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner


Another lie that will not die.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/histor...june.htm#21ley

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The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
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  #3  
Old December 7th 07, 08:07 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,sci.med,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Jan Drew
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Default The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
. net...
http://truthspace.wordpress.com/2007...hing-but-over/

The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away:
You lost.

The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded,
and using the government's police powers they attack those who
threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting
them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is
doing are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
. net...
http://truthspace.wordpress.com/2007...hing-but-over/

The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away:
You lost.

The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded,
and using the government's police powers they attack those who
threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting
them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is
doing are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner


This is NOT a lie. NO date is stated.

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 560 for Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA
Commissioner The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies . (0.42 seconds)


Omit the first one from rattie Peter Bowditch.

The FACT is Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner said it.


The FDA recently acknowledged that 90 percent of doctors do not report
vaccine reactions. They are choosing to subvert this law by claiming the
adverse event was, in their opinion, not related to the shot. In fact,
every year between 12,000 and 14,000 reports of adverse reactions to
vaccines are made to the FDA (data initially accessible only through the
Freedom of Information Act). These figures include hospitalizations,
irreversible brain damage, and hundreds of deaths. Considering that these
numbers may represent just 10 percent, the true figures could be as high
as 140,000 adverse events annually. However, even this figure could be
conservative. According to Dr. David Kessler, former head of the Food and
Drug Administration, "Only about 1 percent of serious events [adverse drug
reactions] are reported to the FDA." Thus, it is entirely possible that
millions of people are adversely affected by mandatory vaccines every
year.

http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1945
The Vaccine Experiment - In The Service of Good

The FDA recently acknowledged that 90 percent of doctors do not report
vaccine reactions. They are choosing to subvert this law by claiming the
adverse event was, in their opinion, not related to the shot. In fact,
every year between 12,000 and 14,000 reports of adverse reactions to
vaccines are made to the FDA (data initially accessible only through the
Freedom of Information Act). These figures include hospitalizations,
irreversible brain damage, and hundreds of deaths. Considering that these
numbers may represent just 10 percent, the true figures could be as high
as 140,000 adverse events annually. However, even this figure could be
conservative. According to Dr. David Kessler, former head of the Food and
Drug Administration, "Only about 1 percent of serious events [adverse drug
reactions] are reported to the FDA." Thus, it is entirely possible that
millions of people are adversely affected by mandatory vaccines every
year.

http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1945
The Vaccine Experiment - In The Service of Good



  #4  
Old December 7th 07, 01:10 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,sci.med,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Peter Bowditch
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Default The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
.net...
http://truthspace.wordpress.com/2007...hing-but-over/

The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away:
You lost.

The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded,
and using the government's police powers they attack those who
threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting
them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is
doing are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
.net...
http://truthspace.wordpress.com/2007...hing-but-over/

The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away:
You lost.

The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded,
and using the government's police powers they attack those who
threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting
them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is
doing are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner


This is NOT a lie. NO date is stated.


So what? When did he say it?


Web Results 1 - 10 of about 560 for Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA
Commissioner The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies . (0.42 seconds)


Omit the first one from rattie Peter Bowditch.


I'm first in Google! Excellent. People get the truth before they get
the lies.


The FACT is Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner said it.


No, he didn't. If he did PROVE it. The Congressional Record might be
the place to start.

snip repeated lies

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The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
  #5  
Old December 9th 07, 03:03 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,sci.med,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Jan Drew
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Default The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over


"Peter Bowditch" wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
y.net...
http://truthspace.wordpress.com/2007...hing-but-over/

The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away:
You lost.

The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded,
and using the government's police powers they attack those who
threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting
them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is
doing are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
y.net...
http://truthspace.wordpress.com/2007...hing-but-over/

The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away:
You lost.

The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded,
and using the government's police powers they attack those who
threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting
them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is
doing are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner


This is NOT a lie. NO date is stated.


So what?


So YOU lied.


When did he say it?

I just posted the web results. Too lazy to look them up?


Web Results 1 - 10 of about 560 for Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA
Commissioner The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies . (0.42 seconds)


Omit the first one from rattie Peter Bowditch.


[snip lie]


The FACT is Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner said it.


snip repeated lies

--
Peter Bowditch


snip repeated lies and spam

  #6  
Old December 9th 07, 11:22 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,sci.med,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Peter Bowditch
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Default The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Peter Bowditch" wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
gy.net...
http://truthspace.wordpress.com/2007...hing-but-over/

The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away:
You lost.

The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded,
and using the government's police powers they attack those who
threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting
them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is
doing are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
gy.net...
http://truthspace.wordpress.com/2007...hing-but-over/

The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away:
You lost.

The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded,
and using the government's police powers they attack those who
threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting
them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is
doing are as different as night and day." -

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner

This is NOT a lie. NO date is stated.


So what?


So YOU lied.


How did I lie? Please try to fully explain.



When did he say it?

I just posted the web results. Too lazy to look them up?


No, Jan, I am not too lazy to look them up. When I look them up I find
several dates mentioned, ALL of which are impossible given the rest of
the story surrounding the "quote".

Here is what I wrote when I first came across the lie in 2003:

So here is the story so far. Dr Ley may have said something in 1965
(when he was not working at the FDA), or in 1969 (when he was FDA
Commissioner), or in 1970 (when he was a former Commissioner). He may
have appeared before a US senate hearing in 1965 (when he was working
at Harvard), or in 1969 or in 1970. The Senator named as chairing the
hearing retired at the end of 1968, so he could not have been chairing
any meetings in 1969 or 1970. In 1965, when Senator Long was a
Senator, Dr Ley could not have appeared in the rôle of FDA
Commissioner.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/histor...june.htm#21ley



Web Results 1 - 10 of about 560 for Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA
Commissioner The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies . (0.42 seconds)


Omit the first one from rattie Peter Bowditch.


[snip lie]


What lie, Jan? YOU said that the first page returned by Google was
mine. I said that I was pleased. Are you suggesting that I am not
pleased that the truth comes up in Google before the lies?



The FACT is Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner said it.


No, he didn't, Jan.


snip repeated lies

--
Peter Bowditch


snip repeated lies and spam


That again. One day you might like to explain what you mean, but I
doubt that anybody with two working neurons would accept the
explanation.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
 




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