Vaccines are destroying our immune systems.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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SKD wrote:
On Jan 26, 10:23 am, Jeff wrote:
SKD wrote:
On Jan 26, 4:03 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:
On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, BreastImplantAwareness.org
wrote:
Jeff P Utz claims:
I am nearly 100% sure that autism is not caused by vaccines, which
is the question
Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system.
Vaccines Strengthen the Immune System.
Do make a note of it.
In theory yes. However there is always a tipping point, overload the
system and it might break it down. I for one am keeping an open mind
on incidences of autism and early childhood diabetes skyrocketing with
aggressive immunisation.
They're also increasing with skyrocketing internet usage! And
skyrocketing soccer and NASCAR popularity. Correlation does not mean
causation.

I keep an open mind. And everything I have read and learned tells me
that autism and diabetes are NOT caused by immunizations. And lives are
saved every day by immunizations.

Jeff

From a layman's perspective when I read the cause of type 1 diabetes,
it is where something confuses the immune system and it attacks
healthy beta cells. Something is causing this confusion to occur more
often in the same time frame as aggressive immunisation was
prescribed. Immunisation stimulates body's immune system - does it
over stimulates in some cases?

The body's immune system is stimulated millions of times a day, whenever
we get a cut or cold and from bacteria and viruses in our respiratory
tract and digestive tract (there are more bacteria cells in our digestive
tract than there are human cells in the body).

The number of antigens that are in an immunization are relatively small,
maybe a few thousand, at most. So the challenge to the immune system is
quite small compared to what the immune system does everyday.

There is no reason to think that diabets is caused by immunization.

Many parent I know will stagger MMR
into 2 steps, why can't the doctor advise people to be safer if there
is reasonable doubt, why is it such a taboo to question.

There is no reasonable doubt, though. It is more expensive to get the MMR
in parts and not as well tested. Plus, doctors don't like to poke kids.

Jeff

No wonder you are notkidsdoc.

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 24,600 for MMR doubts. (0.29 seconds)


http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-113519698.html

'Lancet' admits MMR doubts.

http://www.cyclingforums.com/archive...p/t-66599.html

New support for MMR doubts

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/21/vaccine_mmr.htm

Doctors Admit MMR Vaccine Doubts


http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22/shoot_first_2.htm

Shoot first, ask questions later.

http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/15/vaccines.htm

Shots in the Dark

On Jan 25, 11:49*pm, "t" wrote:
"The One True Zhen Jue" wrote in ...
On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, BreastImplantAwareness.org
wrote:

Jeff P Utz claims:

I am nearly 100% sure that autism is not caused by vaccines, which is
the question
Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system.

Vaccines Strengthen the Immune System.

Do make a note of it. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Cannot pass this
one. Andrew, you have posted world class bull with this one. You have shown
the world that you are *IMHO, an idiot, a lying piece of crap, dumber than a
brick, a plant from the bowels of some death dealing pharm company, some
kind of weird psycho who should be removed from decent society, or just too
stupid to know better. Take your pick. One thing seems pretty clear, you are
one twisted puppy.

Anything that meets with Med(s)Tool's disapproval must be good!

Vaccination strengthens the immune system, prevents disease, reduces
morbidity & mortality, saves money, and improves the quality of life.
No wonder they are reviled by people who have lousy lives!

"The One True Zhen Jue" wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 11:49 pm, "t" wrote:
"The One True Zhen Jue" wrote in
...
On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, BreastImplantAwareness.org
wrote:

Jeff P Utz claims:

I am nearly 100% sure that autism is not caused by vaccines, which is
the question
Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system.

Vaccines Strengthen the Immune System.

Do make a note of it. Cannot pass this
one. Andrew, you have posted world class bull with this one. You have
shown
the world that you are IMHO, an idiot, a lying piece of crap, dumber than
a
brick, a plant from the bowels of some death dealing pharm company, some
kind of weird psycho who should be removed from decent society, or just
too
stupid to know better. Take your pick. One thing seems pretty clear, you
are
one twisted puppy.

Anything that meets with Med(s)Tool's disapproval must be good!

Vaccination strengthens the immune system, prevents disease, reduces
morbidity & mortality, saves money, and improves the quality of life.
No wonder they are reviled by people who have lousy lives!
Oh PLEASE! The one true idiot, post any studies or ANYthing that supports
your absurd position that vacs "strengthen" the immune system. I don't
expect you to, as you cannot. But that won't keep you from blathering that
it is so. Must suck to be you.

On Jan 25, 3:15*pm, Kevysmom wrote:
What happened that after years and years of med school ... around 5 or
6 with a RESTRICTED license ... you now have none.

I wonder why he lost his license?

what makes you "think" that he *lost* his license? Could it be that he
decided not to renew it?

Of course, you are now tailgating and will wind up with poop up you
snoot.

On Jan 25, 6:18*pm, SKD wrote:
On Jan 26, 4:03 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:

On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, BreastImplantAwareness.org
wrote:

Jeff P Utz claims:

I am nearly 100% sure that autism is not caused by vaccines, which is the question
Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system.

Vaccines Strengthen the Immune System.

Do make a note of it.

In theory yes. However there is always a tipping point, overload the
system and it might break it down.

With newborns dealing with thousands of new antigens a day, do make a
note of the fact that the immune sysem does not break down from use.

I for one am keeping an open mind
on incidences of autism and early childhood diabetes skyrocketing with
aggressive immunisation.

As for the autism...

There is no epidemic.

There is no link between vaccination and autism.

I hope this cleared it up for you.

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 6:18 pm, SKD wrote:
On Jan 26, 4:03 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:

On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, BreastImplantAwareness.org
wrote:

Jeff P Utz claims:

I am nearly 100% sure that autism is not caused by vaccines, which
is the question
Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system.

Vaccines Strengthen the Immune System.

Do make a note of it.

In theory yes. However there is always a tipping point, overload the
system and it might break it down.

With newborns dealing with thousands of new antigens a day, do make a
note of the fact that the immune sysem does not break down from use.

I for one am keeping an open mind
on incidences of autism and early childhood diabetes skyrocketing with
aggressive immunisation.

As for the autism...

There is no epidemic.

There is no link between vaccination and autism.

I hope this cleared it up for you.

Clear that you are repeating this same OLD lie.

NewsTarget.com printable article
Originally published January 9 2008
Study "Disproving" Mercury-Autism Link Published in Journal with Financial
Ties to Vaccine Manufacturers
by Mike Adams

(NewsTarget) While the mainstream press is widely reporting a new study
"disproving" any link between autism and mercury-containing thimerosal in
vaccines, no one has bothered to point out that the study was published in a
medical journal stacked full of ads from the very same drug companies that
manufacture and market vaccines. The Journal, the Archives of General
Psychiatry, is the pro-drug psychiatric arm of the American Medical
Association, a pill-pushing organization tarnished by a history of
conspiracy against alternative medicine and the promotion of toxic
substances like cigarettes with full-page ads in its flagship publication,
JAMA.


From the outset, the fact that this study appears in a pro-drug,
pro-psychiatry journal should bring pause to any scientific-minded person.
There is obviously a serious conflict of interest here, especially if this
study is to be taken as "fact" and applied to public health policy. There
also need to be a close look at any financial links between the researchers
involved in this study and various vaccine manufacturers, as virtually all
pro-drug "science" (if you can call it that) being published these days is
influenced by Big Pharma money.


The only truly honest, independent, peer-reviewed medical journal operating
today is PLoS Medicine, an open-source journal that takes no money from drug
companies. Notice that the autism/mercury link study did not appear in PLoS
Medicine? No, it had to be published with a home field advantage in a
pro-drug publication that maintains a strong bias in favor of
pharmaceuticals and chemicals.


Junk science and faulty conclusions
Aside from these obvious and worrisome conflicts of interest, the
conclusions being made about autism and vaccines in the mainstream media are
simply not supported by the study. The (distorted) logic we're hearing goes
like this:


Yes, vaccines used to contain mercury. And yes, all those little kids were
injected with mercury. And yes, autism rates skyrocketed. But then when the
mercury was taken out of the vaccines, the autism rates didn't come back
down. Therefore, the logic goes, vaccines are safe!


This is such sloppy cause/effect logic that it makes the idiot CNN Health
editors who published a story about "junk foods being good for your waist"
look like sheer geniuses!


What's wrong with the logic? Consider the use of mercury in the vaccines: It
was used as a preservative chemical to prevent vaccine spoilage. When the
mercury was removed, it was replaced with other preservative chemicals that
are also toxic to the human nervous system. Thus, the continuing increase in
autism rates following vaccination may be due to the toxic chemicals that
replaced thimerosal. While mercury injections probably initiated the
increase in autism, the toxic substance has been replaced with other
dangerous chemicals that are continuing to increase the risk of autism.


Here's an example to explain this a bit mo


We all know that sodium nitrite in processed meat causes cancer, right?
Well, let's say that for ten years, somebody feeds all the kids sodium
nitrite and cancer rates skyrocket. Then, they take all the sodium nitrite
out of the food and replace it with a different cancer-causing chemical that
they keep feeding the kids. Guess what? The cancer rates don't come down.
Therefore, the logic goes, sodium nitrite didn't cause cancer in the first
place!


Notice that when mercury was removed from vaccines (which is not entirely
true, by the way, bringing into question yet more details about this study),
the rates of autism did not drop? This means the vaccines remain dangerous
to children. Autism continued to climb right alongside vaccination rates,
indicating the possibility that something in the vaccines (or a combination
of various chemicals) may very well be responsible for the increase. Based
on the fact that thimerosal was replaced with other toxic chemicals in the
vaccines, there is absolutely no scientific way to clear thimerosal of any
harmful effects. There are too many variables operating now, and no study
can isolate one variable (thimerosal) out of many and prove it to be
harmless.


The truth is that scientists have no idea what's causing autism. They
acknowledge the alarming increase in the rates of autism now being observed
in the population, but with this new study, they claim, "Mercury is safe!"


Let me add this study to the enormous stack of other B.S. studies from
modern medical researchers. Let's see, I have a study here that declares
aspartame to be safe. A second study in my database says that Vioxx is safe.
Another study says Teflon is safe. And yet another study claims that
cigarette smoke doesn't cause lung cancer or heart disease! In fact, for
virtually every toxic chemical created by industry, there's a B.S. study
proclaiming its safety! The history of science is full of such nonsense, all
funded or influenced by the corporations that manufacture and sell these
toxic chemicals or drugs.


The fact that industry has managed to create yet another study declaring a
toxic substance (thimerosal) to be safe when injected into children is
certainly not surprising. This is an industry that is not bound by the rules
of logic, ethics or common scientific sense. It simply finds ways to
influence researchers, cherry pick studies and distort science to get
whatever results it wants. That's how we're now hearing things like,
"Mercury is safe to inject into children!" -- an idea that's utterly absurd
at any dose.


What the mercury / vaccine study actually proves
Even if you believe the results of this study, it only demonstrates that
removing mercury from vaccines does not reduce vaccine toxicity to children.
Autism rates are still on the rise, right along with vaccination rates.
Multiple toxic chemicals and substances are contained in vaccines, and the
mercury in thimerosal may have simply been one factor among many.


The only reasonable, scientifically-minded conclusion we can draw from the
study is that removing mercury from vaccines does not reduce autism in
children. If removing thimerosal from vaccines made them safer, we should
have seen autism rates go down, but we did not! Autism rates continued to
climb in direct correlation to vaccination rates, indicating that mercury is
not the only toxic substance causing neurological problems in children.


Notice, carefully, that this is nothing close to what's being reported in
the mainstream media, where headlines are blaring junk science nonsense
like, "Vaccines pose no risk for autism" (San Jose Mercury News) and
"Thimerosal Does Not Cause Autism" (Slashdot, which should know better).
Even WIRED News got it wrong with: "California Study Finds No Link Between
Vaccines, Autism."


The correct headline should be, "Removal of Mercury From Vaccines Fails to
Halt Rise in Autism."


Or, "Removing Mercury From Vaccines Does Not Make Them Safer."


Nobody reported that. Apparently, telling the truth about research involving
vaccines is not a popular option in the mainstream media (MSM).
Businessweek, publishing a HealthDay report by Randy Dotinga, invokes
particularly bad logic with this opening statement, "Adding to a growing
body of evidence that rejects the idea that immunizations boost autism
rates, a new study finds no proof that incidences of the disorder dropped
after makers of most childhood vaccines stopped using a mercury-based
preservative in their products."


Huh? How does a study focused only on mercury "reject the idea that
immunizations boost autism rates?" Did the author of that report not notice
that autism rates continue to increase as vaccination rates go up?
Eliminating one chemical from the causative factors does not in any way
clear the safety of all the other chemicals or ingredients used in vaccines.


The mainstream media, which repeatedly demonstrates astonishing ignorance on
issues of nutrition and health, also seems to have very little ability to
interpret scientific studies and reach reasoned conclusions about what those
studies do or do not prove.


Was the vaccine study another example of corrupt science?
Besides, this entire discussion is based on the idea that we can trust the
research in the first place. If there's one thing we've learned about modern
medicine since watching all the Vioxx scandals, Avandia cover-ups and
scientific corruption in research circles, it's that drug companies can help
create whatever research conclusions they want.


And let's face it: Big Pharma will always produce science that protects its
profits. Gee, Big Tobacco came up with all sorts of research that said
tobacco smoke wasn't harmful and nicotine wasn't addictive. Some of that
research appeared in peer-reviewed medical journals, too. Does that mean the
research was scientifically accurate and "conclusive?" Of course not. It was
just plain old junk science, hijacked by a powerful corporation with a clear
profit motive.


If all that sounds familiar, it's because drug companies are playing the
same game with science today that Big Tobacco played decades ago: Influence
the science, bury the bad news and propagandize the good news. It's the
oldest play in the spin book, and Big Pharma has patterned it perfectly from
Big Tobacco.


You see, the relevant question in this discussion is not simply whether
mercury-containing vaccines cause autism. The question at hand is whether we
can even trust the "science" being conducted on this subject. Do the
researchers who conducted this study have any financial ties to the
manufacturers of those vaccines? Have they received any speaking fees? Do
they own stock in those companies? If so, this completely discredits their
research due to obvious conflicts of interest.


Now, I don't have any direct evidence that the researchers in this
particular mercury vaccine study were corrupted or influenced by Big Pharma,
but as an honest, independent think who knows the truth about drug
companies, the mainstream media and the profit motive behind much of the
science appearing in the press today, I maintain a default position of
skepticism when it comes to reading these studies.


By default, I distrust the drug companies and any so-called "research" that
claims injecting mercury into the bodies of children is harmless. That
should be the default position held by any rational person who understands
basic human biochemistry. Toxic chemicals and heavy metals must be
distrusted from the outset.


The drug and chemical industries, notably, take precisely the opposite
approach. To them, all chemicals and drugs are safe until proven dangerous.
This is how dangerous drugs get released into the marketplace and only
recalled after tens of millions of prescriptions have been written and many
thousands of people have died. The drug companies routinely treat the
population as drug testing guinea pigs, and the used of vaccines on children
is no different.


I find it interesting that genuine scientific skepticism seems to vanish
when the topic shifts to pharmaceuticals. Sure, all the skeptics and quack
critics will go to town on topics like acupuncture, mind-body medicine or
even the efficacy of botanical medicines, but when the discussion turns to
things like mercury in vaccines or amphetamine drugs for kids with ADHD, all
such skepticism immediately vanishes. They accept the safety and efficacy of
such treatments without question. Rational thought is rapidly discarded.
Vaccines simply must be safe. Why? Because everybody else in the medical
industry says so!


Were the journalists injected with mercury, too?
With this whole charade about a study "disproving" any link between mercury
and vaccines, the modern medical industry has once again shown its infantile
intellect and its utter lack or scientific integrity or clear-headed
skepticism. Is this study really the best they can come up with? A study
that shows absolutely no drop in autism rates when ingredients are
reformulated in vaccines? A study that didn't even attempt to take into
account the other toxic ingredients in vaccines?


This is the new standard of "conclusive" science in medicine today?


Give me a break. The only thing that can be conclusively derived from
observing all this is that mainstream media journalists continue to function
at a very low level of scientific literacy, lacking any skills of mental
reason by which scientific studies might be assessed. There is no thought
that has gone into the media's reporting of this story; only bandwagon
parroting of each other's bad conclusions of a study that, in reality,
proves nothing. It's yet another hilarious mainstream media circle jerk, and
the fact that so many people keep buying this dim-witted reporting just
proves that this nation remains woefully deficient in basic science
education.


One point worth mentioning here is that there is absolutely no requirement
to have any real understanding of science, medicine, chemistry or physics to
graduate from a top-notch journalism school. And when journalists have no
idea what they're talking about, they go the default route and simply
rewrite whatever was e-mailed to them in the corporate press release! Thus,
modern skills of journalism do not require any independent thought
whatsoever. They only require the ability to rephrase something already told
to them by the spinmeisters at Corporation X.


Correct me if I'm wrong: Is there a single mainstream reporter -- even
one? -- that reported the correct conclusion from this vaccine research?


I challenge you to find one. I've looked. There isn't one.


The dumbing down of the mainstream media is now complete. I can't wait to
see what headlines will come next:


"Prescription Drugs That Killed Patients Found Innocent Since Patients Did
Not Come Back to Life After the Drugs Were Removed"


Or:


"Radiation From Mammograms Found Harmless Because Death Rates Continued to
Climb Even After Mammography was Halted"


Or my favorite: "Ephedra Herb Banned After Ten Deaths; Drugs Are Safer
Because They Only Kill 100,000 Americans a Year"


I'm beginning to wonder if all the journalists have been injected with
mercury.


http://www.newstarget.com/z022479.html

In article ,
t wrote:

"The One True Zhen Jue" wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, BreastImplantAwareness.org
wrote:
Jeff P Utz claims:

I am nearly 100% sure that autism is not caused by vaccines, which is
the question
Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system.

Vaccines Strengthen the Immune System.

Do make a note of it. Cannot pass this
one. Andrew, you have posted world class bull with this one. You have shown
the world that you are IMHO, an idiot, a lying piece of crap, dumber than a
brick, a plant from the bowels of some death dealing pharm company, some
kind of weird psycho who should be removed from decent society, or just too
stupid to know better. Take your pick. One thing seems pretty clear, you are
one twisted puppy.

Since vaccines cause immunity to diseases, what's your basis for
complaining? Just spewing out a bunch of insults, which is all you've
done above, is not an argument.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
-- Bill Maher

On 25 jan, 21:23, Jeff wrote:
SKD wrote:
On Jan 26, 4:03 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:
On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, BreastImplantAwareness.org
wrote:

Jeff P Utz claims:
I am nearly 100% sure that autism is not caused by vaccines, which is the question
Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system.
Vaccines Strengthen the Immune System.

Do make a note of it.

In theory yes. However there is always a tipping point, overload the
system and it might break it down. I for one am keeping an open mind
on incidences of autism and early childhood diabetes skyrocketing with
aggressive immunisation.

They're also increasing with skyrocketing internet usage! And
skyrocketing soccer and NASCAR popularity. Correlation does not mean
causation.

Non-sequitur. NASCAR popularity could not in any conceivable way
affect the human autoimmune system. Nor could internet usage.

Howver sticking ****ing mercury into someone COULD.



I keep an open mind. And everything I have read and learned tells me
that autism and diabetes are NOT caused by immunizations. And lives are
saved every day by immunizations.

Jeff

On 25 jan, 22:53, Jeff wrote:
SKD wrote:
On Jan 26, 10:23 am, Jeff wrote:
SKD wrote:
On Jan 26, 4:03 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:
On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, BreastImplantAwareness.org
wrote:
Jeff P Utz claims:
I am nearly 100% sure that autism is not caused by vaccines, which is the question
Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system.
Vaccines Strengthen the Immune System.
Do make a note of it.
In theory yes. However there is always a tipping point, overload the
system and it might break it down. I for one am keeping an open mind
on incidences of autism and early childhood diabetes skyrocketing with
aggressive immunisation.
They're also increasing with skyrocketing internet usage! And
skyrocketing soccer and NASCAR popularity. Correlation does not mean
causation.

I keep an open mind. And everything I have read and learned tells me
that autism and diabetes are NOT caused by immunizations. And lives are
saved every day by immunizations.

Jeff

From a layman's perspective when I read the cause of type 1 diabetes,
it is where something confuses the immune system and it attacks
healthy beta cells. Something is causing this confusion to occur more
often in the same time frame as aggressive immunisation was
prescribed. Immunisation stimulates body's immune system - does it
over stimulates in some cases?

The body's immune system is stimulated millions of times a day, whenever
we get a cut or cold and from bacteria and viruses in our respiratory
tract and digestive tract (there are more bacteria cells in our
digestive tract than there are human cells in the body).

The number of antigens that are in an immunization are relatively small,
maybe a few thousand, at most. So the challenge to the immune system is
quite small compared to what the immune system does everyday.

Not if it has mercury in it! Are you exposed to mercury at such levels
everyday too are you?



There is no reason to think that diabets is caused by immunization.

Many parent I know will stagger MMR
into 2 steps, why can't the doctor advise people to be safer if there
is reasonable doubt, why is it such a taboo to question.

There is no reasonable doubt, though. It is more expensive to get the
MMR in parts and not as well tested. Plus, doctors don't like to poke kids.

Jeff

Hey Jeff, I think you better watch this doco and then maybe you will
realise that there is something other than HEALTH motivating the
medical INDUSTRY:

Deconstructing The Myth Of AIDS (Gary Null)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...06668483511310

Hey Jeff tell me something. In 1989 Poland announced that the
estimated figure of jewish deaths at Auschwitz was rather 1.5 million
and not 4 million. Accordingly they amended all the memorial plaques
and records in Poland which stated the false 4 million figure. This
false 4 million figure had been cited for 40 years.

So this means that the new Official figure for murdered jews was now
only 3.5 million.

So how come everyone keeps saying that 6 million jews died in the
Holcoaust?

And also, Like, how come the media didn't make a story about how it
turned out that The Holocaust had been exaggerated by almost twice??

How come your everyday joe blow in the west is still walking around
almost 20 years later stating, when asked how many jews died in WW2,
he will say like a parrot that it was six million?

What would Goethe say? In fact, what DID Goethe say?
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
08/28/1749 - 03/22/1832
German poet

Jeff, how much longer will western mainstream people allow themselves
to be abused like slaves?

Midex wrote:
On 25 jan, 21:23, Jeff wrote:
SKD wrote:
On Jan 26, 4:03 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:
On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, BreastImplantAwareness.org
wrote:
Jeff P Utz claims:
I am nearly 100% sure that autism is not caused by vaccines, which is the question
Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system.
Vaccines Strengthen the Immune System.
Do make a note of it.
In theory yes. However there is always a tipping point, overload the
system and it might break it down. I for one am keeping an open mind
on incidences of autism and early childhood diabetes skyrocketing with
aggressive immunisation.
They're also increasing with skyrocketing internet usage! And
skyrocketing soccer and NASCAR popularity. Correlation does not mean
causation.

Non-sequitur. NASCAR popularity could not in any conceivable way
affect the human autoimmune system. Nor could internet usage.

Howver sticking ****ing mercury into someone COULD.

Yet, the rates of autism did not go down when mercury was removed from
vaccines.

This demonstrates that mercury is not responsible for the rise in the
rates of autism.

Jeff

I keep an open mind. And everything I have read and learned tells me
that autism and diabetes are NOT caused by immunizations. And lives are
saved every day by immunizations.

Jeff