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Independance from Freedom Day, July 4th
When you're watching the fireworks display for those counties that can still
afford it, the explosions are just a reminder of your freedoms going up in smoke. Be grateful the Bankers left you with a crappy paying job to try pay their mortgages with. The politicians sold the working class out to these welfare bums! “Debt is the fatal disease of republics, the first thing and the mightiest to undermine governments and corrupt the people.” Wendell Phillips "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work to give to those who are not." ~Thomas Jefferson "The issue today is the same as it has always been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite." ~Thomas Jefferson |
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Independance from Freedom Day, July 4th
wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:14:43 -0700, "DB" wrote: When you're watching the fireworks display for those counties that can still afford it, the explosions are just a reminder of your freedoms going up in smoke. Be grateful the Bankers left you with a crappy paying job to try pay their mortgages with. The politicians sold the working class out to these welfare bums! Bankers, CEO's, the wealth class are definitely "Welfare bums" We funneled more money, crafted more policy, req-wrote the tax code, deregulated and rescinded scads of laws---ALL of which made life better for them. Reagan and the conservatives turned mere millionaires into Billionaires---effectivey creating an unsurmountable chasm between the richest paid and the middle class that will take generations (again) to level out Remember, not one Millionaire EVER went broke because of taxation. Not one. I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are given subsistence aid, or help because they're poor? Did you? Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your pockets clean! |
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Independance from Freedom Day, July 4th
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:54:25 -0700, DB wrote:
I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are given subsistence aid, or help because they're poor? Did you? Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your pockets clean! I think what we are faced with today runs deeper. While bankers have, well, forever 'picked pockets' the newer thief on the block is a modern economic basic. Namely, making money from money only as opposed to the products/labor of money. Not that this has not happened before, after all capitalism is making profit from ones capital, but capitalism, until recently, invested in product and the labor needed to produce products. Now that many products and the labor needed have been outsourced, these investments are put into debt. A "anti-product" actually, a thing based on labor not yet done and product not yet produced. Capitalism has become based on promises to pay yet never really wanting the promises to be filled. The old economic virtue of paying off ones debts has been replaced with that of debt service. |
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Independance from Freedom Day, July 4th
ZerkonXXXX wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:54:25 -0700, DB wrote: I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are given subsistence aid, or help because they're poor? Did you? Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your pockets clean! I think what we are faced with today runs deeper. While bankers have, well, forever 'picked pockets' the newer thief on the block is a modern economic basic. Namely, making money from money only as opposed to the products/labor of money. Not that this has not happened before, after all capitalism is making profit from ones capital, but capitalism, until recently, invested in product and the labor needed to produce products. Now that many products and the labor needed have been outsourced, these investments are put into debt. A "anti-product" actually, a thing based on labor not yet done and product not yet produced. Capitalism has become based on promises to pay yet never really wanting the promises to be filled. The old economic virtue of paying off ones debts has been replaced with that of debt service. We don't live in a capitalist economy. What we live in is a socialist/communist economy that attempts to masquerade as capitalism. Any time there is a problem, 'capitalism' is to blame, even though it had nothing to do with it. The solution? More socialism/communism. Credit is killing the economy and it will kill again. THE BEST INDIVIDUAL ADVICE that can be given is *get out of debt, NOW!* Live within your means; be financially responsible and follow a budget. Credit and debt are tools of the devil, get out of bondage, get out of debt. |
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Independance from Freedom Day, July 4th
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:47:50 -0700, Peter Franks wrote:
ZerkonXXXX wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:54:25 -0700, DB wrote: I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are given subsistence aid, or help because they're poor? Did you? Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your pockets clean! I think what we are faced with today runs deeper. While bankers have, well, forever 'picked pockets' the newer thief on the block is a modern economic basic. Namely, making money from money only as opposed to the products/labor of money. Not that this has not happened before, after all capitalism is making profit from ones capital, but capitalism, until recently, invested in product and the labor needed to produce products. Now that many products and the labor needed have been outsourced, these investments are put into debt. A "anti-product" actually, a thing based on labor not yet done and product not yet produced. Capitalism has become based on promises to pay yet never really wanting the promises to be filled. The old economic virtue of paying off ones debts has been replaced with that of debt service. We don't live in a capitalist economy. What we live in is a socialist/communist economy that attempts to masquerade as capitalism. The attempt to lie about fascism continues. We have been living in a fascist state for the last 30 years and most especially the last 8 years. To be sure this has not been a pure form of capitalism. But it has been more a form of capitalism than any form of socialism. For fascism can and will don the cloak of capitalism very easily and wage a constant all out assault on whatever it chooses to call "socialism". In so doing, of course, the fascist disguises fascism as capitalism. Any time there is a problem, 'capitalism' is to blame, even though it had nothing to do with it. The solution? More socialism/communism. Any time there is a problem for the rightard, the blame lies in something other than fascism. And the favorite is, of course, socialism/communism. Credit is killing the economy and it will kill again. Credit is an integral part of the division and specialization of labor and the development of _real_ capital. More importantly, "saving" is integral to society. "saving" and "credit" are the mechanism by which a society flourishes. THE BEST INDIVIDUAL ADVICE that can be given is *get out of debt, NOW!* Live within your means; be financially responsible and follow a budget. Always sound advice to those who will not invest. Credit and debt are tools of the devil, get out of bondage, get out of debt. Debt is, in fact, a bondage. -- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson |
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Independance from Freedom Day, July 4th
Michael Coburn wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:47:50 -0700, Peter Franks wrote: ZerkonXXXX wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:54:25 -0700, DB wrote: I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are given subsistence aid, or help because they're poor? Did you? Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your pockets clean! I think what we are faced with today runs deeper. While bankers have, well, forever 'picked pockets' the newer thief on the block is a modern economic basic. Namely, making money from money only as opposed to the products/labor of money. Not that this has not happened before, after all capitalism is making profit from ones capital, but capitalism, until recently, invested in product and the labor needed to produce products. Now that many products and the labor needed have been outsourced, these investments are put into debt. A "anti-product" actually, a thing based on labor not yet done and product not yet produced. Capitalism has become based on promises to pay yet never really wanting the promises to be filled. The old economic virtue of paying off ones debts has been replaced with that of debt service. We don't live in a capitalist economy. What we live in is a socialist/communist economy that attempts to masquerade as capitalism. The attempt to lie about fascism continues. We have been living in a fascist state for the last 30 years and most especially the last 8 years. To be sure this has not been a pure form of capitalism. But it has been more a form of capitalism than any form of socialism. It is all the bad of capitalism with all the bad of socialism. Mind you, socialism taints deeply. For fascism can and will don the cloak of capitalism very easily and wage a constant all out assault on whatever it chooses to call "socialism". In so doing, of course, the fascist disguises fascism as capitalism. Any time there is a problem, 'capitalism' is to blame, even though it had nothing to do with it. The solution? More socialism/communism. Any time there is a problem for the rightard, the blame lies in something other than fascism. And the favorite is, of course, socialism/communism. The economic crisis is due to socialism, not fascism. Credit is killing the economy and it will kill again. Credit is an integral part of the division and specialization of labor and the development of _real_ capital. False. Credit is a means to an end that is subject to compromise. IF you engage in credit/debt, the YOU MUST accept the risk, not others. The current state is because of those that engage in the act, but refuse to accept the risk. More importantly, "saving" is integral to society. "saving" and "credit" are the mechanism by which a society flourishes. For short term, perhaps. Long term, credit destroys. It has, it does, and it will. THE BEST INDIVIDUAL ADVICE that can be given is *get out of debt, NOW!* Live within your means; be financially responsible and follow a budget. Always sound advice to those who will not invest. Sound advice period. Non-guaranteed investments are nothing more than gambling. Credit and debt are tools of the devil, get out of bondage, get out of debt. Debt is, in fact, a bondage. Right. Get out of it. |
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