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We have reached 1 year!
wrote in message I'm not sure what the answer is, only that I agree it would be better to ditch the bottles. Any ideas on how to do (this bearing in mind the nursery have limited time and people to take it too slow) would be very welcome. In the meantime we will have another go at the bottle so at least he is on the way to transitioning from formula. If I read the original post correctly you are still nursing right? When I was still nursing Luke I just stopped sending the bottles to daycare. Actually I sent them and ask that he not get them unless absolutely necessary and he had one day of one bottle (versus 3-4) and nothing after that. His bottles had either formula or breastmilk. I did provide a sippy cup with cows milk that they used at nap time and snack time. He had had sips of cows milk but we switched cold-turkey. He didn't drink much cows milk for a few months but it increased as he got used to it. He nursed so didn't need it for nutrition. It didn't seem to bother him at all. Some babies might have a harder time but it might be as easy as that so try it :-) Luke was 13mo because I used the last of the can of formula before stopping the bottles. Congrats to the 1yr mark ;-) -- Nikki, mama to Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 Brock 4/06 Ben 4/06 |
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We have reached 1 year!
Oohhhh cute little William!!..
Happy Birthday... I love his hair!!! Congrats to you too Jeni! Love, - aurora - http://aurora.insparenting.com |
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We have reached 1 year!
Nikki wrote:
If I read the original post correctly you are still nursing right? When I was still nursing Luke I just stopped sending the bottles to daycare. Actually I sent them and ask that he not get them unless absolutely necessary and he had one day of one bottle (versus 3-4) and nothing after that. His bottles had either formula or breastmilk. I did provide a sippy cup with cows milk that they used at nap time and snack time. He had had sips of cows milk but we switched cold-turkey. He didn't drink much cows milk for a few months but it increased as he got used to it. He nursed so didn't need it for nutrition. It didn't seem to bother him at all. Some babies might have a harder time but it might be as easy as that so try it :-) actually Nikki has got a good point, we did similar now I think back with number 1, he was only at the childminder in the morning, so I just left some ebm in their freezers and stopped sending it every day at 11months. He didn't seem to nurse more later in the day as a consequence. With number two, (13 months now), she is just breastfeeding morning and night and has been for quite a while now and seems to be thriving, so it would appear that 2 breastfeeds are sufficient. Anne |
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We have reached 1 year!
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"Anne Rogers" wrote: We've ummed and arrrred about giving our 3yr old some formula as he's not doing that great and our main worry was teeth but we could not find a sensible answer. What's the problem with him, Anne? You have a lot on your plate if you are worried about him too! -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled." Kerry Cue |
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We have reached 1 year!
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"Anne Rogers" wrote: We've ummed and arrrred about giving our 3yr old some formula as he's not doing that great and our main worry was teeth but we could not find a sensible answer. What's the problem with him, Anne? You have a lot on your plate if you are worried about him too! he was very underweight around Easter time, having lost all the weight he had put on in the previous year, he basically had no body fat at all and had a couple of patches of downy hair that is a symptom of anorexia. There was no reason for the weight loss that we could think off so it was a little concerning, but he's creeping back up again, so we're not really too worried anymore, we're just trying to make good choices for his diet, including plenty of fat, but not going to extremes. It has been particular noticeable since he has been going to swimming class, he is only a little bit shorter than the rest of the children, but a totally different body shape, also he struggles to maintain his body heat and gets cold very quickly even though he is very active. He does seem to be thriving though, he's developmentally jumped recently, so maybe he was just putting his resources into that. It does seem as if we have had a lot on our plate! but I guess that is just life! At a similar time Ada had a totally mystery skin rash that got badly infected and took a month of steroids to clear up and no doctor we had seen had ever seen anything like it! It never rains, but it pours! Anne |
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We have reached 1 year!
Anne Rogers wrote: Jeni wrote: Thanks for this. I was going to post on the very same thing when I remembered. At present we have discovered he will sip cows milk the same way as he sips water, but so far won't have it as a replacement for his bottle. We did try it briefly at the weekend but we didn't know till the evening how bad he was feeling so realise now it was a bad time to try. The problem is that he still has between 4 and 8 oz twice a day so getting through a sippy cup of that much would take forever and he'd get very frustrated. I'm not sure what the answer is, only that I agree it would be better to ditch the bottles. Any ideas on how to do (this bearing in mind the nursery have limited time and people to take it too slow) would be very welcome. In the meantime we will have another go at the bottle so at least he is on the way to transitioning from formula. actually I never stated my personal preference, which would be to never give cows milk in a bottle, it's semi irrational, based on the fact that at least formula is designed for bottles, but then as it seems to be the speech reason that leads the reasons for getting of bottles it probably doesn't matter what is actually in it. I think if was me I would have them give one of the feeds from a sippy (no valve - just as bad for speech apparently), the one when he is most awake and the other stick with a bottle, then go to all cup, which would hopefully happen in 2 weeks to a month, then transition to cows milk, if necessary by doing 10% 90% and working the amount of formula down over another two weeks to a month. Well it seems the issue with William is exactly the method by which his milk is delivered, rather than what kind it is. He really isn't keen on drinking out of cups at all, lid on or off, but will do it reluctantly with water with his breakfast, snacks, and throughout the day. At present he won't take his milk feed out of a cup because he gets too frustrated at sipping. He has his milk when he wakes from his naps so is hungry and just downs it in minutes. He can't do that with a sippy cup and he is not a patient fellow. I suspect as a result of bottles he drinks more in the day and very little bm at night and morning, so cutting out bottles just isn't an option. He would get very very cross. We did try early on to give him milk before his nap but that didn't work then so it won't work now. We discussed it with the nursery at out first parents evening last week. They agreed to try a little milk in a cup for his snack. What happened was that because he woke up around snack time they just put the cow's milk (warmed, he won't touch it cold) in his bottle and he drank it straight down. From a nutrition point of view it's what we wanted because he does have a very balanced diet so we feel cow's milk is a better choice than formula. He eats a lot of soilds which include a little fibre, carbs, fresh fruit and veggies, full- fat dairy and the right amount of protein/iron etc in dried fruits, legumes and pulses that he misses from not eating meat. Apart from the rare odd Hipp jar, all main meals are homecooked by us, so we know what he eats. As for the bottles issue, seen as he has only just turned 1 we are not sweating it. But what we will do is gradually introduce more milk in cups and less in bottles. One quirk of William's personality we have learnt from is that he doesn't do things cold turkey, everything has to be done gradually. This goes for helping get to sleep on his own (which he does beautifully now - and sleeps the longer for it), eating new foods, getting used to nursery (very happy now) etc.. But I do have it in my mind that bottles aren't great and we will start the transition now. As he downs the stuff fast he never sits there sucking on a bottle, so I'm not over concerned about his teeth and speech. He only ever drinks water, which is from a cup. Thanks for all the advice. It certainly helped clarify everything for us and how to proceed. Meanwhile he still enjoys an extra comfort feed now and then (two molars coming through at once - ouch!!) so that's one kind of milk we have no plans to transition from. Ta Jeni |
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We have reached 1 year!
Notchalk wrote: On 2006-07-12 00:15:00 +0800, "Anne Rogers" said: actually I never stated my personal preference, which would be to never give cows milk in a bottle, it's semi irrational, based on the fact that at least formula is designed for bottles, but then as it seems to be the speech reason that leads the reasons for getting of bottles it probably doesn't matter what is actually in it. I think if was me I would have them give one of the feeds from a sippy (no valve - just as bad for speech apparently), the one when he is most awake and the other stick with a bottle, then go to all cup, which would hopefully happen in 2 weeks to a month, then transition to cows milk, if necessary by doing 10% 90% and working the amount of formula down over another two weeks to a month. Cheers Anne Hi there - just hijacking this thread to ask about the definition of a sippy cup... is it a cup with a spout that they have to tip up to drink out of? That's what ds uses. But there seems to be different types of those. At first he had one with a rubbery type spout that the baby has to squeeze and suck to get anything out. He had no chance with that one being a lazy bum. Next we tried the Avent Magic cup with a hard spout and a filter thingy. Wouldn't suck hard enough to get anything through the filter thingy but with 3 holes in it too much came out without it. He now uses a Tommy Tippee sippy cup that has one hole. For a long time we just tipped it up till some went it. He's now learnt to do it himself but doesn't always tip it up enough so quite often we still do it. He can do it without a lid but he likes to throw his cup about so there was no chance of him learning to do it himself without one I have had mixed success with these - Will seems to bite/chew them, and for the next few days my nipples hurt a lot, and I have worked out it is because he's chewing on me in the same way! As soon as I get rid of that specific cup, it stops. What I have found to work well is a straw cup. I use the 'Pigeion' wide neck bottle with a straw top attachment. He gets big gulps of water, and doesn't have to chew! Anne, do you know whether straws are detrimental to speech development? Also, if he uses a dummy just to settle to sleep, at this age (13.5 months) is that bad for speech, too? I don't let him have it any other time - he puts dummy to bed when he gets up. I have had no success with any dummy other than the pigeon 0-5 months sized dummy, too... supposedly closest to breastfeeding. I'd love to get rid of it, obviously, but no chance of sleep if that happens. I'm with you on the dummy except that we have been using it for teething and colds too. None of the usual soothers (cold flannel, teething rings) do the trick and he is so miserable that it seems heartless to deny him. Jeni |
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Anne, do you know whether straws are detrimental to speech development?
Also, if he uses a dummy just to settle to sleep, at this age (13.5 months) is that bad for speech, too? I don't let him have it any other time - he puts dummy to bed when he gets up. I have had no success with any dummy other than the pigeon 0-5 months sized dummy, too... supposedly closest to breastfeeding. I'd love to get rid of it, obviously, but no chance of sleep if that happens. sorry, no idea, I know that bottles are supposed to go at age 1 (dental and speech reasons) and that from a speech point of view it's the sucking in the no spill cups that is the problem, I'd suspect a straw is fine, because though it is sucking the pressure you need is massively less (just try it yourself!) Anne |
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We have reached 1 year!
Jeni wrote:
so we know what he eats. As for the bottles issue, seen as he has only just turned 1 we are not sweating it. But what we will do is gradually introduce more milk in cups and less in bottles. You might want to ask other more experienced people about this, I've not had to get rid of bottles in quite the same way, but I have a horrible suspicion it gets harder later, not easier. Anne |
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We have reached 1 year!
Anne Rogers wrote:
Anne, do you know whether straws are detrimental to speech development? Straws are GOOOD for speech development. The sucking mechanism strengthens muscles. In speech therapy, they focus on learning to use straws. Also, if he uses a dummy just to settle to sleep, at this age (13.5 months) is that bad for speech, too? It's bad only if he has it in during the day and it keeps him quiet instead of letting him babble. -- Anita -- |
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