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The myth of ADD
Jeff, I understand your viewpoint, but I must seriously object to
your conclusions. I encourage you to study the history of this syndrome, who discovered it, who promoted it and who benefited from this discovery. That is where you will find the truth. Thank you for your response and please feel free to communicate further on these topics. We must keep the lines of communications open and not be shouted down by the crack-pots on these newsgroups. Jeff wrote: "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote in message oups.com... Wright, we've been through this a million times, so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, Bull****. The evidence that people with adhd have brains that work differently than people without adhd is overwhelming. made up of whole cloth to be "cured" by certain pharmaceuticals, While pharmaceuticals are one way to help people with ADHD, there many other things that can help these people. In the case of kids, moving them to the front of the room where they will be least distracted is one such thing. which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, Actually, what the pharmaceuticals do is enable people with ADHD to focus and make their own decisions free of distractions. which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! Determined by experience of psychiatrists and other professionals. The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You have yet to demonstrate that you any useful knowledge on this subject nor are you objective. Jeff David Wright wrote: In article .com, Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote: That is another myth. The only so-called difference is that certain people think they are special by acting totally irresponsible, such as the person here posting as "Ann" - a total nutcase! "Myth," eh? Sure, "Artie." Let's see your evidence. By the way, simply announcing that you are an authority does not constitute evidence. It wouldn't be evidence even if you were an authority, which you are not. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I'll kill anyone that tries to stop me from killing anyone." -- Yellowbeard Jeff wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. The evidence that ADHD is real is overwhelming. People with ADHD have differences in brain function that are visible on PET scans and other tests compared with people who don't ADHD. Jeff |
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"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote in message ups.com... Jeff, I understand your viewpoint, but I must seriously object to your conclusions. I encourage you to study the history of this syndrome, who discovered it, who promoted it and who benefited from this discovery. While I agree the history is important, the science behind it is more improtant. That is where you will find the truth. Thank you for your response and please feel free to communicate further on these topics. We must keep the lines of communications open and not be shouted down by the crack-pots on these newsgroups. The science overwhelmingly shows that ADHD is a real condition. People who have the condition have brains that function differently than people without it. You can search scholar with the terms ADHD and imaging to see many of these studies. There is no question that the drug industry is in business to sell drugs, including drugs to treat ADHD. They want to make money. Period. But, that doesn't mean that ADHD isn't a real condition. Or that people with ADHD can't be helped by medication. The history of the condition is important. But more so are the scientific facts about ADHD and the treatments, including medications, used to help people with the condition. Jeff Jeff wrote: "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote in message oups.com... Wright, we've been through this a million times, so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, Bull****. The evidence that people with adhd have brains that work differently than people without adhd is overwhelming. made up of whole cloth to be "cured" by certain pharmaceuticals, While pharmaceuticals are one way to help people with ADHD, there many other things that can help these people. In the case of kids, moving them to the front of the room where they will be least distracted is one such thing. which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, Actually, what the pharmaceuticals do is enable people with ADHD to focus and make their own decisions free of distractions. which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! Determined by experience of psychiatrists and other professionals. The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You have yet to demonstrate that you any useful knowledge on this subject nor are you objective. Jeff David Wright wrote: In article .com, Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote: That is another myth. The only so-called difference is that certain people think they are special by acting totally irresponsible, such as the person here posting as "Ann" - a total nutcase! "Myth," eh? Sure, "Artie." Let's see your evidence. By the way, simply announcing that you are an authority does not constitute evidence. It wouldn't be evidence even if you were an authority, which you are not. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I'll kill anyone that tries to stop me from killing anyone." -- Yellowbeard Jeff wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. The evidence that ADHD is real is overwhelming. People with ADHD have differences in brain function that are visible on PET scans and other tests compared with people who don't ADHD. Jeff |
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On May 11, 8:25 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
wrote: Wright, we've been through this a million times, How many people did you have to ask to help you count that high? so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. Can be conveniently found he www.barf.net I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, made up of whole cloth to be "cured" Wrong, numbnuts, no one claims a cure. by certain pharmaceuticals, which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You are as objective as that brown lump in your shorts. David Wright wrote: In article .com, Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote: That is another myth. The only so-called difference is that certain people think they are special by acting totally irresponsible, such as the person here posting as "Ann" - a total nutcase! "Myth," eh? Sure, "Artie." Let's see your evidence. By the way, simply announcing that you are an authority does not constitute evidence. It wouldn't be evidence even if you were an authority, which you are not. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I'll kill anyone that tries to stop me from killing anyone." -- Yellowbeard Jeff wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message t... The evidence that ADHD is real is overwhelming. People with ADHD have differences in brain function that are visible on PET scans and other tests compared with people who don't ADHD. Jeff- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:Z9_0i.38$b67.18@trnddc06... "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote in message oups.com... Wright, we've been through this a million times, so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, Bull****. The evidence that people with adhd have brains that work differently than people without adhd is overwhelming. Who wrote this evidence? The drug companies and their lackeys... made up of whole cloth to be "cured" by certain pharmaceuticals, While pharmaceuticals are one way to help people with ADHD, there many other things that can help these people. In the case of kids, moving them to the front of the room where they will be least distracted is one such thing. Easy to tell you have no kids. Moving them to the front where they can distract the whole class and show off. which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, Actually, what the pharmaceuticals do is enable people with ADHD to focus and make their own decisions free of distractions. Proof please. which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! Determined by experience of psychiatrists and other professionals. Belonging to *organized medicine*..... http://www.sntp.net/ritalin/ritalin.htm The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You have yet to demonstrate that you any useful knowledge on this subject nor are you objective. Jeff You sure haven't yet. Polly wanna cracker...... David Wright wrote: In article .com, Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote: That is another myth. The only so-called difference is that certain people think they are special by acting totally irresponsible, such as the person here posting as "Ann" - a total nutcase! "Myth," eh? Sure, "Artie." Let's see your evidence. By the way, simply announcing that you are an authority does not constitute evidence. It wouldn't be evidence even if you were an authority, which you are not. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I'll kill anyone that tries to stop me from killing anyone." -- Yellowbeard Jeff wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. The evidence that ADHD is real is overwhelming. People with ADHD have differences in brain function that are visible on PET scans and other tests compared with people who don't ADHD. Jeff |
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" wrote in message ps.com... On May 11, 8:25 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote: Wright, we've been through this a million times, How many people did you have to ask to help you count that high? so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. Can be conveniently found he www.barf.net I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, made up of whole cloth to be "cured" Wrong, numbnuts, no one claims a cure. by certain pharmaceuticals, which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You are as objective as that brown lump in your shorts. Another post to take to your Rabbi..... http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei...apter1-6b.html G-d's Justice System When we judge others, we are setting our own personal justice system. If I am constantly finding fault and criticizing others, I send a message to G-d. Shortcomings should be noticed and highlighted; there's no room for mercy and tolerance. And G-d allows us to fashion the very justice system with which He views us. If we see only the bad in others, we bring upon ourselves the very judgment we, in our minds, visit upon others daily. http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=338 In the next portion of the midrash, the sages teach that it is fitting for people to speak in clean, appropriate language:" The words of Hashem are pure'...In the Torah, God chose to write eight extra words in order to avoid using terminology which was not 100% 'clean. In the Book of Berei****, for instance, Noach is told to choose for the ark from among 'the pure cattle and from the cattle that is not pure...' [- instead of referring to the latter group using the Hebrew term for ritually impure beasts, "Tameh." ] In disqualifying the rabbit as a pure animal, the Torah does not say that the impurity derives from the fact that the rabbit does not have split hooves, [though this is true] but rather that the rabbit is impure because it [only] chews its cud. (Vaykira 11)" The clear message of the midrash: when unpleasant things are uttered, they must be expressed in the cleanest, most honorable manner possible. When we talk about being careful about speech, we're talking about two different issues. What to say, and how to say it. First of all, it is important not to say things that need not be said. When something is in need of being said, it should be expressed using clean, appropriate language. I've mentioned on several occasions that Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook (of blessed memory) was very cautious with his words, always carefully weighing what he had to say before he said it. He would never say things in the negative, but would always couch his ideas in positive terms. David Wright wrote: In article .com, Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote: That is another myth. The only so-called difference is that certain people think they are special by acting totally irresponsible, such as the person here posting as "Ann" - a total nutcase! "Myth," eh? Sure, "Artie." Let's see your evidence. By the way, simply announcing that you are an authority does not constitute evidence. It wouldn't be evidence even if you were an authority, which you are not. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I'll kill anyone that tries to stop me from killing anyone." -- Yellowbeard Jeff wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message t... The evidence that ADHD is real is overwhelming. People with ADHD have differences in brain function that are visible on PET scans and other tests compared with people who don't ADHD. Jeff- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"Jan Drew" wrote:
" wrote in message ups.com... On May 11, 8:25 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote: Wright, we've been through this a million times, How many people did you have to ask to help you count that high? so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. Can be conveniently found he www.barf.net I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, made up of whole cloth to be "cured" Wrong, numbnuts, no one claims a cure. by certain pharmaceuticals, which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You are as objective as that brown lump in your shorts. Another post to take to your Rabbi..... I'm sorry, Jan, but your theological studies and recent conversion to Judaism are not relevant to the thread. KACHING!! - $1 snip Rabbinical Studies essay -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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"Jan Drew" wrote in message ... "Jeff" wrote in message news:Z9_0i.38$b67.18@trnddc06... "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote in message oups.com... Wright, we've been through this a million times, so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, Bull****. The evidence that people with adhd have brains that work differently than people without adhd is overwhelming. Who wrote this evidence? The drug companies and their lackeys... Actually, most of it was independent researchers funded the NIH. No drug ties for a lot of researchers. made up of whole cloth to be "cured" by certain pharmaceuticals, While pharmaceuticals are one way to help people with ADHD, there many other things that can help these people. In the case of kids, moving them to the front of the room where they will be least distracted is one such thing. Easy to tell you have no kids. Moving them to the front where they can distract the whole class and show off. Get a clue. which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, Actually, what the pharmaceuticals do is enable people with ADHD to focus and make their own decisions free of distractions. Proof please. You kindly provided evidence that this is the case when you showed that people with ADHD get in fewer crashes when they are on proper medication. J Child Adolesc Psychopharmacol. 2007 Feb;17(1):35-49.Click here to read Links Preliminary evidence of beneficial effects of methylphenidate on listening comprehension in children with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. McInnes A, Bedard AC, Hogg-Johnson S, Tannock R. Faculty of Education, University of Windsor, Windsor, Ontario, Canada. OBJECTIVE: The effect of methylphenidate (MPH) on listening comprehension for information passages, and on working memory, was examined in a clinical sample of 16 children with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). METHOD: Drug effects on comprehension of spoken language at the levels of single sentences and passages, and on verbal and visual-spatial working memory (WM) skills were assessed over a 4-day placebo-controlled, double-blind, crossover treatment trial of MPH at low, medium, and high doses. Concurrent behavior ratings were also completed. Data were analyzed at both group and individual levels; individual improvements using average change scores were analyzed to explore interrelationships among comprehension, WM, and behavioral responses to MPH. RESULTS: There was a significant effect of drug on comprehension of inferences from challenging listening passages (F = 3.1, p ,0.05), and on visual-spatial working memory performance (F = 3.3, p ,0.05), with significant linear dose-response relationships evident for both domains. Individual improvements in comprehension using averaged placebo-dose change scores were not related to improvements in behavior with MPH, or to improvements in WM in this sample. CONCLUSIONS: Findings provide preliminary evidence that MPH affects higher-level language comprehension skills, which require sustained attention and mental effort. If generalizable to classroom listening skills, these findings have implications for clinicians and teachers involved with children with ADHD. A review: ediatrics. 2005 Jun;115(6):e749-57.Click here to read Links Comment in: J Fam Pract. 2005 Sep;54(9):750. Treatment of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder: overview of the evidence. Brown RT, Amler RW, Freeman WS, Perrin JM, Stein MT, Feldman HM, Pierce K, Wolraich ML; American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Quality Improvement; American Academy of Pediatrics Subcommittee on Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. The American Academy of Pediatrics' Committee on Quality Improvement, Subcommittee on Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, reviewed and analyzed the current literature for the purpose of developing an evidence-based clinical practice guideline for the treatment of the school-aged child with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). This review included several key reports, including an evidence review from the McMaster Evidence-Based Practice Center (supported by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality), a report from the Canadian Coordinating Office for Health Technology Assessment, the Multimodal Treatment for ADHD comparative clinical trial (supported by the National Institute of Mental Health), and supplemental reviews conducted by the subcommittee. These reviews provided substantial information about different treatments for ADHD and their efficacy in improving certain characteristics or outcomes for children with ADHD as well as adverse effects and benefits of multiple modes of treatment compared with single modes (eg, medication or behavior therapies alone). The reviews also compared the effects of different medications. Other evidence documents the long-term nature of ADHD in children and its classification as a chronic condition, meriting the application of general concepts of chronic-condition management, including an individual treatment plan with a focus on ongoing parent and child education, management, and monitoring. The evidence strongly supports the use of stimulant medications for treating the core symptoms of children with ADHD and, to a lesser degree, for improving functioning. Behavior therapy alone has only limited effect on symptoms or functioning of children with ADHD, although combining behavior therapy with medication seems to improve functioning and may decrease the amount of (stimulant) medication needed. Comparison among stimulants (mainly methylphenidate and amphetamines) did not indicate that 1 class outperformed the other. And you can read the entire article he http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...int/115/6/e749 which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! Determined by experience of psychiatrists and other professionals. Belonging to *organized medicine*..... Not all physicians who prescribe ADHD medications belong to organized medicine. http://www.sntp.net/ritalin/ritalin.htm The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You have yet to demonstrate that you any useful knowledge on this subject nor are you objective. Jeff You sure haven't yet. Polly wanna cracker...... I think you are trying to say that I am parroting someone else's view. The views expressed are mine. I recieve no funding of any kind from organized medicine or any drug company. Unless you are able to make useful comments on this post, I am not going to waste my time responding to your posts in this thread. Jeff David Wright wrote: In article .com, Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote: That is another myth. The only so-called difference is that certain people think they are special by acting totally irresponsible, such as the person here posting as "Ann" - a total nutcase! "Myth," eh? Sure, "Artie." Let's see your evidence. By the way, simply announcing that you are an authority does not constitute evidence. It wouldn't be evidence even if you were an authority, which you are not. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I'll kill anyone that tries to stop me from killing anyone." -- Yellowbeard Jeff wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. The evidence that ADHD is real is overwhelming. People with ADHD have differences in brain function that are visible on PET scans and other tests compared with people who don't ADHD. Jeff |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:q3j1i.3755$NY3.2420@trnddc03... "Jan Drew" wrote in message ... "Jeff" wrote in message news:Z9_0i.38$b67.18@trnddc06... "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote in message oups.com... Wright, we've been through this a million times, so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, Bull****. The evidence that people with adhd have brains that work differently than people without adhd is overwhelming. Who wrote this evidence? The drug companies and their lackeys... Actually, most of it was independent researchers funded the NIH. No drug ties for a lot of researchers. Polly wanna cracker....Jeff once again repeating the words of *Organized medicine*. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...44/ai_14254187 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines made up of whole cloth to be "cured" by certain pharmaceuticals, While pharmaceuticals are one way to help people with ADHD, there many other things that can help these people. In the case of kids, moving them to the front of the room where they will be least distracted is one such thing. Easy to tell you have no kids. Moving them to the front where they can distract the whole class and show off. Get a clue. A very definite one....... which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, Actually, what the pharmaceuticals do is enable people with ADHD to focus and make their own decisions free of distractions. Proof please. You kindly provided evidence that this is the case when you showed that people with ADHD get in fewer crashes when they are on proper medication. LOL.... Teens with ADHD more prone to car crashes J Child Adolesc Psychopharmacol. 2007 Feb;17(1):35-49.Click here to read Links Preliminary evidence of beneficial effects of methylphenidate on listening comprehension in children with attention-deficit/hyperactivity Ritalin........ Side effects............. [ ] A review: ediatrics. 2005 Jun;115(6):e749-57.Click here to read Links Comment in: J Fam Pract. 2005 Sep;54(9):750. Treatment of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder: overview of the evidence. Brown RT, Amler RW, Freeman WS, Perrin JM, Stein MT, Feldman HM, Pierce K, Wolraich ML; American Academy of Pediatrics *organized medicine*. which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! Determined by experience of psychiatrists and other professionals. Belonging to *organized medicine*..... [ ] Not all physicians who prescribe ADHD medications belong to organized medicine. http://www.sntp.net/ritalin/ritalin.htm The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You have yet to demonstrate that you any useful knowledge on this subject nor are you objective. Jeff You sure haven't yet. Polly wanna cracker...... I think you are trying to say that I am parroting someone else's view. Ya think? Like the Below... Exactly.......... The views expressed are mine. I recieve no funding of any kind from organized medicine or any drug company. Diverd Unless you are able to make useful comments on this post, I am not going to waste my time responding to your posts in this thread. Jeff ZZzz. David Wright wrote: In article .com, Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote: That is another myth. The only so-called difference is that certain people think they are special by acting totally irresponsible, such as the person here posting as "Ann" - a total nutcase! "Myth," eh? Sure, "Artie." Let's see your evidence. By the way, simply announcing that you are an authority does not constitute evidence. It wouldn't be evidence even if you were an authority, which you are not. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I'll kill anyone that tries to stop me from killing anyone." -- Yellowbeard Jeff wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. The evidence that ADHD is real is overwhelming. People with ADHD have differences in brain function that are visible on PET scans and other tests compared with people who don't ADHD. Jeff |
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Peter Bowditch wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote: " wrote in message oups.com... On May 11, 8:25 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote: Wright, we've been through this a million times, How many people did you have to ask to help you count that high? so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. Can be conveniently found he www.barf.net I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, made up of whole cloth to be "cured" Wrong, numbnuts, no one claims a cure. by certain pharmaceuticals, which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You are as objective as that brown lump in your shorts. Another post to take to your Rabbi..... I'm sorry, Jan, but your theological studies and recent conversion to Judaism are not relevant to the thread. KACHING!! - $1 snip Rabbinical Studies essay IIRC, last time, KACHING got the ACAHF a new printer. Do you have anything in mind for this round of KACHING? |
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On May 14, 10:57 am, JohnDoe wrote:
Peter Bowditch wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote: " wrote in message oups.com... On May 11, 8:25 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." wrote: Wright, we've been through this a million times, How many people did you have to ask to help you count that high? so please refer to my previous posts over the many years. Can be conveniently found hewww.barf.net I understand your cults obvious conflict of interest or should I say: CONFLICTS of interest! Yes, ADD/ ADHD are complete myths, made up of whole cloth to be "cured" Wrong, numbnuts, no one claims a cure. by certain pharmaceuticals, which really only exacerbate and mask those conditions, which are be to determined by the spychiatrists convienence! The facts prove that my knowledge of this subject is vastly suprior to yours, and besides that, I am completely objective on this subject. You are as objective as that brown lump in your shorts. Another post to take to your Rabbi..... I'm sorry, Jan, but your theological studies and recent conversion to Judaism are not relevant to the thread. KACHING!! - $1 snip Rabbinical Studies essay IIRC, last time, KACHING got the ACAHF a new printer. Do you have anything in mind for this round of KACHING? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Dough |
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